Some really petulant posts on here. Considering where we’ve been over the last few years, I’m pretty delighted with where we are. And you can say what you want about mistakes…but I love this team. They give a shit. Keep backing them and we’ll be ok.
I wasn’t there today, was frustrated to see they’d equalised and it wasn’t to be, but this post is spot on.
Some of the dross that we’ve had in this team over the last few years. Some of those performances in the Adkins, Garner, Holden and Appleton. Some of the players we’ve tried to convince ourselves were good enough to wear the shirt.
We can definitely improve and need to work on our forward play, but we’re 5 games in, stepping up a level that has changed quite substantially since we were last here. It’s a new team, our budget has dictated that we had to go and get the best of league one to try and compete, but aside from the opening 30 mins against QPR, I think we’ve fought superbly.
This is a tough, tough league. Looking forward to getting stuck into the next few games and as you say, 100% behind the team and Jones
Thought Bree looked good. Anyone reckon this will take off, or is it a little cheesy?
When I was just a little boy, I asked my mother what is this cheese? is it Red Leicester, Gloucester, or Cheddar, Here’s what she said to me, don’t eat Stilton son, it’s blue like the Milwall scum, the cheese that is number one, is James Bree
TC, Carey and Kelman all very good. Cov, Doc, Jones and Bell all good.
Ramsay brain fade but he has loads of brownie points.
if Millwall are the standard for a decent upper mid table championship side, then we will be an upper mid table championship side. We were better than them in all departments for 80 minutes. Harsh lessons learned today but we’ll be fine this year
We were supposedly the better team against Bristol City. Only 1 point. We were supposedly the better ream against Leicester. No points.
We could be the better team for the rest of the season but still get relegated. We need to improve our crossing & dead ball situations. We cant keep saying we were the better team and not win.
Some really petulant posts on here. Considering where we’ve been over the last few years, I’m pretty delighted with where we are. And you can say what you want about mistakes…but I love this team. They give a shit. Keep backing them and we’ll be ok.
Got to say how impressed I am by Bell, after years of watching dross. He looks like he is often playing himself into trouble but invariably comes away with the ball at his feet, leaving a puzzled attacker. Just takes a bit of getting used to.
TC, Carey and Kelman all very good. Cov, Doc, Jones and Bell all good.
Ramsay brain fade but he has loads of brownie points.
if Millwall are the standard for a decent upper mid table championship side, then we will be an upper mid table championship side. We were better than them in all departments for 80 minutes. Harsh lessons learned today but we’ll be fine this year
Not really a fair representation of them with so many injuries.
I admire your confidence, but there's no way we are an upper mid table championship side. Not based on today, or our previous games.
Agreed. But we need to come 20th to achieve our aim this season and currently on track.
2 points in the last 4 games though.
Started the season strong but now struggling to get results from games that are very winnable.
We went 6 points from 9 games from September to November last season and finished 4th. Still plenty of time yet and there’s positive signs. No need to panic.
TC, Carey and Kelman all very good. Cov, Doc, Jones and Bell all good.
Ramsay brain fade but he has loads of brownie points.
if Millwall are the standard for a decent upper mid table championship side, then we will be an upper mid table championship side. We were better than them in all departments for 80 minutes. Harsh lessons learned today but we’ll be fine this year
Not really a fair representation of them with so many injuries.
I admire your confidence, but there's no way we are an upper mid table championship side. Not based on today, or our previous games.
Agreed. But we need to come 20th to achieve our aim this season and currently on track.
2 points in the last 4 games though.
Started the season strong but now struggling to get results from games that are very winnable.
We went 6 points from 9 games from September to November last season and finished 4th. Still plenty of time yet and there’s positive signs. No need to panic.
Only difference is we had scored more goals this time last season... Two minor bonuses I'd take from games so far is
(1) QPR aside we've conceded very little and think only six (?) teams already have a better defence than us... We will need to keep that up, until we start finding the goal - The worrying factor is we can only concede another 10-goals all season to beat Burnley's tally last year
(2) We've not really lost a game we could ill afford, Leicester are down from the Premier League, and QPR was away.
You can already see from our H / A performances, that we'll aim for more of a smash and grab on the road, and would have been our approach at Loftus Road, had we managed to settle, and not concede the early goal.
On the other hand its our Home Form over the last twelve months that I see keeping us up, given how we're playing at the Valley at the moment... I mean take Luton last season for example, they went down losing 7-games at home, whilst they won just four away
Different level I know, but how many games at the Valley have we lost under Jones? - Three, or is it four?
Totally gutted that Charlton's 'Golden Boy' screwed up. The boost, the win would've given the Cafc fan base would've been off the scale.
Perhaps Ramsay's punishment can be CAFC fans can stop telling him he is a premiership player because he committed the greatest sin going by allowing Millwall back into a match that they had been second best up to that point.
Ramsay has been brilliant for CAFC but Kayne Royally fucked up in the only real SE London derby.
First game of the season for me at The Valley. First half what a brilliant atmosphere generated by us. Great to see the ground so full.
We looked in control until the sending off, would like to have seen Jones sub Ramsay off earlier and also freshen up the central midfielders to give us extra legs to be able to close the space better especially with 10 men. But a really enjoyable day out.
This team has enough fight to stay up this season no doubt. It will get better as we progress through the season.
Thought the Millwall fans were very quiet and poor for the majority of the game.
When I saw Bree getting ready to come on, my mate turned and said who is going off? My reply was it must be Ramsay as he’s gonna get a second yellow the way he is going on, to my surprise it wasn’t! Bad call not making that sub and also taking Apter off. Regardless it was a dominant performance but we walk away with a point instead of three.
The Millwall fans were quiet because there wasn't anything to be loud about from their perspective.
The ref was a Premier league ref and if we had him against QPR, they would have had a player sent off at 1-1. I thought he might have started booking them as the midfield fouls were mounting up but he was chalk and cheese to that clown at Loftus Road.
When you look at Ramsay's two fouls, both were yellows. They werent horrible fouls but if the laws of the game are applied they were yellows. You can have one of them in a game but not two and there was no point committing the second one at least but it is an instinct sometimes when a player is going to beat you. Ramsay will learn from that because there was a big consequence.
The way we play and indeed played for most of last season was to suffocate teams. It works and would have worked yesterday with eleven men. Seeing that is a strength, it was logical that we defended with 10 men. The most likely outcome was we would win that one nil or two nil before the sending off.
Leaburn did well but was our only outlet with 10 men and that is a problen for anybody. Maybe Oloafe with his pace and power would have been an option when Ramsay went but they are a big team and you can see why we might want Leaburn's height when defending set pieces.
Finally, we didn't lose and we are only two points behind them and I would say we are clearly a better side. I would rather have that situation than theirs. We knew we were going up a level and what we have found is the level is more about being punished for mistakes than great levels of football. The way we play is challenging to Championship clubs and I'm sure it will bed in as the season goes on.
So I didn’t imagine Leaburn just casually trotting over to the Millwall player. I’m not asking that he wins the ball, but the slightest bit of pressure and urgency can be enough to effect that pass.
Yep, a real sickener yesterday. A gut punch when they equalised but, let’s face it, I think a lot of us could see it. 20 minutes left and you’re down to 10 men and this is Millwall! What did we expect!
But, for me, there are bright spots. There’s no way they would have equalised if we hadn’t gone down to 10 men. Apart from a few breakaways that generally fizzled out we were in control. Also, the additions of Bree and Burke in defence looked solid.
But, it’s obvious to me where the weak link is after the recent transfer window. No real creative central midfielder has been added. So really we’re still left with Coventry and Docherty who I think are both ok squad players but not really what we need as starters. NJ will probably work his way around that problem but I do think that’s a bit of a weakness. Once we get Godden back I think that’ll be the only area that hasn’t really been addressed. Not yet anyway.
Yeh I don’t know if it’s that Coventry and Docherty aren’t good enough, or if they’re just too similar. We’re never going to have a ‘creative’ central midfielder under Jones. It’s not the way he sets up. Knibbs would be the closest we have to that.
We played well, can't fault any player - all were fully at it and had Godden been playing we could well have been 3 up by half time. They were awful in the first half, got a bit better in the second but without the sending off - and obviously the pikey curse - they weren't gonna score. I was shocked just how bad they were - they look like a relegation outfit so can only assume their injured players will make a big difference when fit. Coburn was every bit as useless as my mates had told me - £5m??? laughable. Their fans were as lifeless as their team our fans couldn't have done any more to help the team. We will get better as our players click in the funal third just like last year and of course, once Godden and Berry are available. Them? i think they've got problems - first time i've seen ivanovic - he did nothing and looks disinterested - cooper does what he does, the other bloke was shit -and we overran their midfield. I think we'll be above them by the time we play again.They are still the only team in south london to have never won anything and that ain't changing this season with that team, thats for sure. Pictures of their lot going through that gate - gotta be some of the chaviest low life about - so glad i'm Charlton and don't have to spend my saturdays with misfits like that.
Kaminski - I think he will be disappointed with their goal. Rule number one when shot stopping is try and divert the ball out of the danger zone which he didn't do.
Ramsay -
A silly second yellow but he has ample of credit in the bank. Thought he was having a great game before the red card
Jones - Solid as ever. Didn't get much joy in their box due to Copper also being an absolute unit
Bell - Classy player but does un-nerve me at times. Great addition to the team
Edwards - Always a 7/10 for us and thats exactly what we need
Coventry - Worked hard but I wouldn't say it was his best performance
Docherty - A real captains performance. More consistent performances like this please
Apter - Probably his weakest game for us? Seems slow to turn in on his left.
Carey - Great finish and energetic performance. We need goals from our attacking midfielders
TC - Excellent performance after a busy international break. Carried the ball forward well
Kelman - Had a real tussle with their back three in the first half and stood up to the test. Poor fella just needs a goal
Subs
Bree - Looks like he will be an excellent addition
Leaburn - I would of brought on Tonto when we went down to 10 which would of been harsh on Leaburn but I just feel he would of been a better outlet into the channels.
Keeper gotta push that first strike out wider rather than pat it out into the centre. But yeah, whatever, we’ll never beat them and we move on.
And anyone digging out Ramsay needs their fucking canister testing. Shit happens, the bloke is so in credit with his performances and desire over the last year or so, it’s mental it’s even being discussed.
Performance full of heart from Charlton. Great effort. We've got some great individuals talented players yet, to my eyes the masterplan going forward with the ball is one of a Sunday league team. Jones is a great motivator, he's good at stopping the other team playing, now we need the other third of the job.
Someone has already pointed out but new Jones teams very often take a while to gel. Look at last year when it finally all clicked in to place.
I have a mate who is a big Luton fan and he said their promotion season it took 3 months or so for it to all come together, and I think that considering we have 5 points and it still doesn’t look as knitted together as we know jones will want it to be, we have a lot to be positive about.
There are much worse teams in this league than us already, and I genuinely think there’s much more to come from us when jones finally gets it all to come together
Someone has already pointed out but new Jones teams very often take a while to gel. Look at last year when it finally all clicked in to place.
I have a mate who is a big Luton fan and he said their promotion season it took 3 months or so for it to all come together, and I think that considering we have 5 points and it still doesn’t look as knitted together as we know jones will want it to be, we have a lot to be positive about.
There are much worse teams in this league than us already, and I genuinely think there’s much more to come from us when jones finally gets it all to come together
Problem is that the team are actually putting in solid performances the team look really well drilled know their roles and are competing only issue we have at the moment is finding a way to get Kelman working, last season we looked a complete mess and no idea what the game plan was. Performance wise we haven’t started slow in the slightest I’m just concerned it comes down to the squad just may not being good enough for this level although you would expect our fortune in results to change
Another game where the players gave everything for the full 99 minutes. The frustrating thing is that having been the better team (again) we can’t get the points deserving of the performance.
We made wall look very ordinary yesterday and if we can keep that level of performance throughout the season we should be ok. Lets hope the crowd stay behind the team and turn up in numbers for the less glamorous games where we probably have more chance of winning
Ramsay’s red cost us. Doc’s lack of awareness around the box, letting his man ghost past him led to the goal. Poor performance from Doc yet again.
Coventry completely abandons his man who then scored. I understand he was covering Doc’s mistake but he should have the awareness that he’s never getting there on time
Taken this from the player ratings thread - "COVENTRY: 6 overall a decent showing, but when their goal comes from a pass in that position, he's the guy who should be there.
I'm not sure Coventry can blamed here. There are 3 of ours around two of theirs, if anyone should be closer it's Doc. CC then can't just do nothing and has to come across to the immediate danger, which unfortunately leaves space for them after the parry.
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Some of the dross that we’ve had in this team over the last few years. Some of those performances in the Adkins, Garner, Holden and Appleton. Some of the players we’ve tried to convince ourselves were good enough to wear the shirt.
We can definitely improve and need to work on our forward play, but we’re 5 games in, stepping up a level that has changed quite substantially since we were last here. It’s a new team, our budget has dictated that we had to go and get the best of league one to try and compete, but aside from the opening 30 mins against QPR, I think we’ve fought superbly.
This is a tough, tough league. Looking forward to getting stuck into the next few games and as you say, 100% behind the team and Jones
I asked my mother what is this cheese?
is it Red Leicester, Gloucester, or Cheddar,
Here’s what she said to me,
don’t eat Stilton son, it’s blue like the Milwall scum,
the cheese that is number one, is James Bree
Assuming (and hope) not, but wasn't there.
He looks like he is often playing himself into trouble but invariably comes away with the ball at his feet, leaving a puzzled attacker.
Just takes a bit of getting used to.
(1) QPR aside we've conceded very little and think only six (?) teams already have a better defence than us... We will need to keep that up, until we start finding the goal - The worrying factor is we can only concede another 10-goals all season to beat Burnley's tally last year
(2) We've not really lost a game we could ill afford, Leicester are down from the Premier League, and QPR was away.
You can already see from our H / A performances, that we'll aim for more of a smash and grab on the road, and would have been our approach at Loftus Road, had we managed to settle, and not concede the early goal.
On the other hand its our Home Form over the last twelve months that I see keeping us up, given how we're playing at the Valley at the moment... I mean take Luton last season for example, they went down losing 7-games at home, whilst they won just four away
Different level I know, but how many games at the Valley have we lost under Jones? - Three, or is it four?
The boost, the win would've given the Cafc fan base would've been off the scale.
Perhaps Ramsay's punishment can be CAFC fans can stop telling him he is a premiership player because he committed the greatest sin going by allowing Millwall back into a match that they had been second best up to that point.
Ramsay has been brilliant for CAFC but Kayne Royally fucked up in the only real SE London derby.
First half what a brilliant atmosphere generated by us. Great to see the ground so full.
We looked in control until the sending off, would like to have seen Jones sub Ramsay off earlier and also freshen up the central midfielders to give us extra legs to be able to close the space better especially with 10 men. But a really enjoyable day out.
This team has enough fight to stay up this season no doubt. It will get better as we progress through the season.
Thought the Millwall fans were very quiet and poor for the majority of the game.
The ref was a Premier league ref and if we had him against QPR, they would have had a player sent off at 1-1. I thought he might have started booking them as the midfield fouls were mounting up but he was chalk and cheese to that clown at Loftus Road.
When you look at Ramsay's two fouls, both were yellows. They werent horrible fouls but if the laws of the game are applied they were yellows. You can have one of them in a game but not two and there was no point committing the second one at least but it is an instinct sometimes when a player is going to beat you. Ramsay will learn from that because there was a big consequence.
The way we play and indeed played for most of last season was to suffocate teams. It works and would have worked yesterday with eleven men. Seeing that is a strength, it was logical that we defended with 10 men. The most likely outcome was we would win that one nil or two nil before the sending off.
Leaburn did well but was our only outlet with 10 men and that is a problen for anybody. Maybe Oloafe with his pace and power would have been an option when Ramsay went but they are a big team and you can see why we might want Leaburn's height when defending set pieces.
Finally, we didn't lose and we are only two points behind them and I would say we are clearly a better side. I would rather have that situation than theirs. We knew we were going up a level and what we have found is the level is more about being punished for mistakes than great levels of football. The way we play is challenging to Championship clubs and I'm sure it will bed in as the season goes on.
........struggling for a pun on switching ends though
Kaminski - I think he will be disappointed with their goal. Rule number one when shot stopping is try and divert the ball out of the danger zone which he didn't do.
Ramsay -
A silly second yellow but he has ample of credit in the bank. Thought he was having a great game before the red card
Jones - Solid as ever. Didn't get much joy in their box due to Copper also being an absolute unit
Bell - Classy player but does un-nerve me at times. Great addition to the team
Edwards - Always a 7/10 for us and thats exactly what we need
Coventry - Worked hard but I wouldn't say it was his best performance
Docherty - A real captains performance. More consistent performances like this please
Apter - Probably his weakest game for us? Seems slow to turn in on his left.
Carey - Great finish and energetic performance. We need goals from our attacking midfielders
TC - Excellent performance after a busy international break. Carried the ball forward well
Kelman - Had a real tussle with their back three in the first half and stood up to the test. Poor fella just needs a goal
Subs
Bree - Looks like he will be an excellent addition
Leaburn - I would of brought on Tonto when we went down to 10 which would of been harsh on Leaburn but I just feel he would of been a better outlet into the channels.
Burke - N/A
And anyone digging out Ramsay needs their fucking canister testing. Shit happens, the bloke is so in credit with his performances and desire over the last year or so, it’s mental it’s even being discussed.
Lets hope the crowd stay behind the team and turn up in numbers for the less glamorous games where we probably have more chance of winning
I'm not sure Coventry can blamed here. There are 3 of ours around two of theirs, if anyone should be closer it's Doc. CC then can't just do nothing and has to come across to the immediate danger, which unfortunately leaves space for them after the parry.