This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted. A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.
There's always gonna be people there it's e to the stairs for the the fucking exit. Absolutely no need for their fans to be there as their exit is the other end....other than looking to have a row.
They did not need to go down the stairs, the exits are upstairs.
Are you on a wind up? You have to go to the bottom of the area to go up the stairs.
Put your phone away and go and have a beer and samba on the beach or something
Well in that case I am wrong. I thought you walked along the concourse and turned left.
No need for the sarcasm.
Mate you are a mug
Really.
Yip - as others agree
Oh dear, no need for the personals really is there. I take it you do not know me.
Unfortunately it feels like we all know you a bit better after today. Millwall apologist.
Took this pic a good 10 mins plus after the final whistle.
The whole of the West Sand was trying to squeeze out of one gate. Which wouldn't have been as bad if everyone was then turning right along the "appointed" route, but it was carnage with people not knowing which way they could or should go. So the stairs were backed up all the way to the top and people weren't moving.
Surely that's a safety concern? And it definitely blew a whole in the myth some on here were going along with that the diversion would only add 10-15 mins to the walk to the station.
That is a shambles. I’d be asking the MP to question the police about their handling of the whole event.
Matt Pennycook? Last I heard, he was a @castrust member…
I would imagine he would be "disappointed" then.
And we will be told lessons will be learned. And we will be assured that this sort of thing isn't going to happen again.
And then Millwall will come to town again, and out comes the red carpet for away fans - with two fingers stuck up to home fans.
Fantastic post.
Unfortunately I doubt lessons will be learnt for the next time we play them at The Valley.
This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted. A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.
This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted. A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.
Unfortunately I was at the bottom of those stairs with my eight year old son and his friend as that gate opened. There was a panic and people tried to run… like when someone gets shot. I grabbed their hands said ‘we’ll be fine but hold my hand and let’s walk up the stairs quickly’. I looked straight ahead but my son looked back and said he saw a group on Millwall fans attacking a single Charlton fan, and that he felt really sorry for that fan.
He was petrified and is still distraught now. Wouldn’t let me leave his room at bed time.
Can’t lie, I’m fucking furious and will be making a complaint.
Hope your boy is ok mate. Hopefully as he grows older he'll see them for what they are....not monsters...just inadequates who have a cowardly pack mentality.
You read the hoolie books and watch the films and they have to keep the perpetual myth going that there is some sort of honour and kudos to it. It's a farce and just used to paper over the fallacy of it all.
Standing together, not running and all that bollocks...doing that when you're defending your family or in a war or intervening to help a stranger in public is. Not getting pissed and coked up and terrifying kids and general people who want nothing to do with that sort of thing.
Same c***s always bemoaning the scumbag rudeboys stabbing each other over postcode drug wars or looting shops yet can't see the similarities and probably see themselves as 'old school' and 'honourable' salt of the earth types. Load of bollocks.
The old boy at the end of Football Factory had their card marked and nailed on.
Men fight in the trenches, not at football stadiums.
Men also fight in controlled environments like sporting competitions like MMA and Boxing.
I would bet my life the bloke throwing the punch at the Charlton fan who clearly wants no part of it hasn't set foot in a fighting gym and tested himself against another human who wants to fight and will do it fairly.
All bark a lot of these blokes, wouldn't say a thing alone.
So unless I get this wrong the aim of the police is to allow the Millwall knuckel draggers to get to the station first so they are either no too inconvenienced or more likely so they can plan a warm welcome for the Charlton fans after our cross-country detour. Can't imagine Millwall being so accommodating to us in the return fixture.
Bit like Harold's army having to march all the way from Yorkshire before facing the Normans at Hastings. No wonder they lost the battle and they didn't even have to go over the bridge at the level crossing.
Why would any Spanners want to go out that way anyway? It’s not going in the direction that many/any of them would benefit from……I doubt just about none of them had any idea where they were going to end up…..idiots.
The around 80-100 Millwall 'fans' had no intention of leaving the ground this way, but to goad and get at Charlton fans. An opportunity presented itself to Millwall "fans' as the gate was unlocked. As video shows there were about half a dozen Charlton fans who were goading the Millwall from our side. When Millwall fans forced the gate open which the two young brave match day stewards had tried to keep shut (going way beyond their job role), one of the stewards getting punched. I was exiting up the stairs using my walking stick with my son & his two friends, surrounded by in the majority elderly fans, families and young children. One Charlton fan shouted "This is a family stand" about the time the Charlton fan who put his hands up peacefully was hit by the Millwall fan charging up the stairs. My son too was really shaken up he's in his twenties and had never experienced this at a Charlton home match.I have had a seat in East stand since it reopened for 30+yrs never seen away fans by this gate like this before or trying to force the gate, the so called Millwall "fans" as my son and his friends said looked high on coke, off their heads literally swarming through the gates attacking Charlton fans and charging up the stairs at charlton fans just trying to leave the ground peacefully..... The people responsible for this shambles need to have a review and be held to account and an apology issued by Charlton to the 20,000 Addicks who attended the match for the mismanagement, poor stewarding : policing and lack of communication. Charlton seem to buckle when presented with challenges like we saw with the play off semi final tickets, another bad really day at the office for the club....
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
I didnt get a clear view as was away from the ground as it was happening bit it looked like the gate was secured/locked and Millwall fans forced ot open, the gate was pushed hard and was rocking backwards and forwards before something snapped and they came through.
No idea where the 'gate wasnt locked' view has come from. Pretty sure it was.
I dont often leave that way because its normally easier to get to Westcombe Park going past the station so i norrmally exit via that upper concourse at the back of the east and turn left. Given that i couldnf do that i went right and so did a lot more people than i normally see go that way.
So the measures pit in place actually meant more people were at risk than otherwise.
No idea why there were no police or the aggressive stewards at the gate. Presumably that wont happen again.
Fortunately after the first mini-skirmishes, and i hope everyone involved thefe is OK, Millwall dis decide that perhaps a fight between 60-100 of them and 20 families and a few old blokes wasnt something they wanted and they seemed to mill around a bit before I lost sight of them.
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
I think he had a top over his spanner shirt, took it off, once they scored. Drawing attention to himself, where some home fans tried to get to him. The stewards took him out and then put him the away end. He should have been kicked out and they should’ve taken his ticket to investigate how he got it.
There's a guy coming up the stairs in that video who looks about 80 years old. What a pathetic club. Fans are absolute dregs of the earth.
Exactly. That's what I find exceptionally hard to fathom- violence is unacceptable even in young men, but a lot of these thugs are middle-aged or even older. What a way to live your life in a permanent state of hate.
Just a few weeks ago I was in the Memorial Garden when Redmidland's ashes were being scattered. The atmosphere that day was one of love and admiration. What a contrast to what it witnessed yesterday.
This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted. A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.
There's always gonna be people there it's e to the stairs for the the fucking exit. Absolutely no need for their fans to be there as their exit is the other end....other than looking to have a row.
They did not need to go down the stairs, the exits are upstairs.
Are you on a wind up? You have to go to the bottom of the area to go up the stairs.
Put your phone away and go and have a beer and samba on the beach or something
Well in that case I am wrong. I thought you walked along the concourse and turned left.
No need for the sarcasm.
Mate you are a mug
Really.
Yip - as others agree
Oh dear, no need for the personals really is there. I take it you do not know me.
Unfortunately it feels like we all know you a bit better after today. Millwall apologist.
I didnt get a clear view as was away from the ground as it was happening bit it looked like the gate was secured/locked and Millwall fans forced ot open, the gate was pushed hard and was rocking backwards and forwards before something snapped and they came through.
No idea where the 'gate wasnt locked' view has come from. Pretty sure it was.
I dont often leave that way because its normally easier to get to Westcombe Park going past the station so i norrmally exit via that upper concourse at the back of the east and turn left. Given that i couldnf do that i went right and so did a lot more people than i normally see go that way.
So the measures pit in place actually meant more people were at risk than otherwise.
No idea why there were no police or the aggressive stewards at the gate. Presumably that wont happen again.
Fortunately after the first mini-skirmishes, and i hope everyone involved thefe is OK, Millwall dis decide that perhaps a fight between 60-100 of them and 20 families and a few old blokes wasnt something they wanted and they seemed to mill around a bit before I lost sight of them.
Exactly, including my brother and I. Just this once I was staying in Blackheath. For any other game I’d have hopped on the train from there, but why would i want to walk into that flashpoint if I didn’t need to?. I could take the bus to Charlton Village, and back. Coming from block G in the East we got up that end after they’d bust the gate open, so we all held back while the pond-life swam off. They swam off themselves, no steward reinforcements arrived and not a single plod, not there, or anywhere up the hill to Charlton Village. My brother didnt understand why we hadnt left via Harvey Gardens, well the fotos on here tell him why, but he hadn’t picked up in advance what Plod’s grand plan was. He does go to games, just not as engaged on line as me, and probably just as in the dark as about 15k other Charlton fans yesterday.
A lot of very relevant posts on here. But, there is an inherent problem, an underlying problem, which is so much more difficult to fix. When the English male goes to a football match there is a small minority that feel they can act in a manner which is unacceptable in any other situation. For example hurling racial abuse or loudly calling the referee a c__t. Or, as in this case, just generally acting as bullies to anyone who gets in their way. They wouldn’t be able to get away with this in any other situation. And, to be honest, they probably wouldn’t feel like doing it in any other situation. But at football they feel it’s fair game. An irrational animal instinct comes out which is no more than bullying. It has always been an English disease at football since the 60’s. I’ve no idea why it started then but it did. And that has led to subsequent segregation and all the other stuff they’ve had to put in to deal with this shit. And it continues.
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
About the tickets.. There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there? If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted. A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.
There's always gonna be people there it's e to the stairs for the the fucking exit. Absolutely no need for their fans to be there as their exit is the other end....other than looking to have a row.
They did not need to go down the stairs, the exits are upstairs.
Are you on a wind up? You have to go to the bottom of the area to go up the stairs.
Put your phone away and go and have a beer and samba on the beach or something
Well in that case I am wrong. I thought you walked along the concourse and turned left.
No need for the sarcasm.
Mate you are a mug
Really.
Yip - as others agree
Oh dear, no need for the personals really is there. I take it you do not know me.
Unfortunately it feels like we all know you a bit better after today. Millwall apologist.
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
About the tickets.. There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there? If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
There were 4 Millwall 40+ men sat in ES close to me, you could spot them a mile off like when we have visitors from Germany, Scandi countries they stick out...How these 4 Millwall got tickets who knows but they didn't celebrate the Millwall goal at least ....at Birmingham game there were a family of Brummie's last season sat close by across the aisle.......
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
About the tickets.. There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there? If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
There were 4 Millwall 40+ men sat in ES close to me, you could spot them a mile off like when we have visitors from Germany, Scandi countries they stick out...How these 4 Millwall got tickets who knows but they didn't celebrate the Millwall goal at least ....at Birmingham game there were a family of Brummie's last season sat close by across the aisle.......
You seem to be the common denominator, Toots mate. You been selling tickets to enter the mighty packed out Valley on the black market?
Seems most of them stay at the bottom of the stairs. Act overly aggressive behind the gate but then lost as to what to do once it's open. They just want to act aggressive in a pack. Tragic people.
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
About the tickets.. There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there? If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
It is quite easy to get on the club's website. You only have to have purchased a ticket for a non-restricted match at any point in last however many years.
In the Upper West yesterday. Agree lots of unfamiliar faces.
Also at one point a lot of red smoke which I presume was a flare let off at the back of N section when Charlton scored.
The stewards may have missed the flare but were quick to intervene when a Charlton fan sitting with his family behind me brought out a plastic Oasis bottle with the lid still intact.
For all those asking how Millwall fans got tickets for the home ends all it takes is to know someone on the CAFC database?
There’s plenty of us in fact probably nearly all of us who know Millwall fans and on good terms with them. All it takes is for Millwall Fan A to ask his CAFC mate to get him some tickets who then passes them on to Millwall Fan B without any digital trace.
I don’t know how you prevent this because you could even have a Millwall fan buy a ticket for one of our previous random League One games in the past like Crawley, not turn up but have gotten themselves on the database.
We probably have fans on there database too, again not sure how you prevent this from happening.
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top? The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
About the tickets.. There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there? If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
There were 4 Millwall 40+ men sat in ES close to me, you could spot them a mile off like when we have visitors from Germany, Scandi countries they stick out...How these 4 Millwall got tickets who knows but they didn't celebrate the Millwall goal at least ....at Birmingham game there were a family of Brummie's last season sat close by across the aisle.......
I expect there are away fans in the home stands at every game. If they are discreet and not behaving like....er....spanners, then I personally don't have a problem. There was a guy sat near me yesterday who I could tell was a Millwall fan (a token clap when we scored), but he kept pretty schtum and was no bother. Plenty of us here have done the reverse when necessary, if not at Millwall.
The presence of someone who supports the opposition should not have you screaming blue murder, IF they know the form and know not to be a wind-up. Which most do, but there are always dickheads...
(Incidentally, a 90s game at The Valley against WBA was sold out in the home seats (before the East Stand was built). I didn't have a S/T so had to sit with the AWAY fans pretending to be glum as 'we' went down 2-0
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We know who you support. Like, really?
I would bet my life the bloke throwing the punch at the Charlton fan who clearly wants no part of it hasn't set foot in a fighting gym and tested himself against another human who wants to fight and will do it fairly.
All bark a lot of these blokes, wouldn't say a thing alone.
No wonder they lost the battle and they didn't even have to go over the bridge at the level crossing.
The people responsible for this shambles need to have a review and be held to account and an apology issued by Charlton to the 20,000 Addicks who attended the match for the mismanagement, poor stewarding : policing and lack of communication. Charlton seem to buckle when presented with challenges like we saw with the play off semi final tickets, another bad really day at the office for the club....
Why was this Millwall Fan allowed to sit in East Stand wearing Millwall top?
The policing and stewarding yesterday was really poor, a large group of police standing by the white control tower doing nothing and on all other matches stewards around 80mins come along and sit in front of East stand before end of the match nothing yesterday? The problem in the ES stand would have been solved removing Millwall fan(s) with better stewarding and policing likewise the whole gate debacle. I said to my son that there were quite alot of Millwall in ES, wearing casual but sticking out like sore thumbs...how did they get tickets?
No idea where the 'gate wasnt locked' view has come from. Pretty sure it was.
Fortunately after the first mini-skirmishes, and i hope everyone involved thefe is OK, Millwall dis decide that perhaps a fight between 60-100 of them and 20 families and a few old blokes wasnt something they wanted and they seemed to mill around a bit before I lost sight of them.
From YT video....
A signifcant amount of those forcing the gate were 50yrs +....
There was a millwall father and young son in the upper west who asked the security supervisor if they could go to the Jimmy Seed. He said no and to sit quietly, which they did. How did they end up there?
If tickets were on restricted sale how were there so many foreign day trippers in the upper west?
Also at one point a lot of red smoke which I presume was a flare let off at the back of N section when Charlton scored.
you only had to be on the clubs database to buy a ticket m. Not rocket science.
There’s plenty of us in fact probably nearly all of us who know Millwall fans and on good terms with them. All it takes is for Millwall Fan A to ask his CAFC mate to get him some tickets who then passes them on to Millwall Fan B without any digital trace.
I don’t know how you prevent this because you could even have a Millwall fan buy a ticket for one of our previous random League One games in the past like Crawley, not turn up but have gotten themselves on the database.
We probably have fans on there database too, again not sure how you prevent this from happening.
The presence of someone who supports the opposition should not have you screaming blue murder, IF they know the form and know not to be a wind-up. Which most do, but there are always dickheads...
(Incidentally, a 90s game at The Valley against WBA was sold out in the home seats (before the East Stand was built). I didn't have a S/T so had to sit with the AWAY fans pretending to be glum as 'we' went down 2-0