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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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Just going on that video, and I'm sure more will come...
The Millwall fans - no behaviour there that hasn't been seen before. The gate is by the JS toilet block, I assume. But even so, no one needed to go right up to the gate.
The Charlton fans goading or reacting to them - what kind of response did they expect. Probably not for the gate to be opened. But just walk on by and leave the ground and there's no incident. Again, no one needed to go right up to the gate.
A couple of police stationed there probably defuses things, and there'd be no incident. It was clear from the scenes after the equaliser that tensions were rising in that part of the ground. The only people who did need to be at the gate, weren't.
Half a mile separating fans at the station, via our little detour. A flimsy gate, effectively unmanned, separating fans where the away end territory meets the home end. Presumably a security/risk blind spot of the club & police.
All elements needed to combine, and they did. No one comes out well.
Once the gates opened, there's no condoning whatever then happened, obviously. Hopefully everyone is alright.
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Even more interesting.PragueAddick said:
My understanding is that the Club had tabled sensible proposals, you know, the sort of stuff that most people on here( and any other EFL fanbase for that matter) would expect, and plod kept finding issues with them, finally imposing their own dumb proposal on the Club Thurs or even yesterday ( I am not sure which, but one of the two). I understand that Mick Everitt was involved but all his sensible ideas based on years of experience were overruled.valleynick66 said:
So that actually makes me more curious.PragueAddick said:
I was told by a good source today that it was last minute. And it can be verified eventually with an FOI request.valleynick66 said:
I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk.PragueAddick said:
What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there.valleynick66 said:
Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop.sam3110 said:
All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.Is it normal / usual
that the policing arrangements take this long to agree / finalise ie is a Thursday / Friday decision point the usual schedule and normally without any contention?
Whatever I don’t really get how the ‘safety’ decision can be made without the associated need for more club comms and direct stewarding / loud hailers etc directing people to Harvey Gardens if the issue of fans mingling is considered a genuine problem. Which by the way it would seem it still is even in 2025.I cynically assume the club knew sooner but chose not to mention for fear of losing a few ticket sales. I could be wrong but such is my general impression currently of the club trying to monetise everything ☹️4 -
100% correct . All around the ground is police and horses and re routing thousands of people. An a most obvious point for confrontation has two stewards who check tickets….. A bloody disgrace , shame on Charltons security personnel. YOU FUCKED UPEr_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Just going on that video, and I'm sure more will come...
The Millwall fans - no behaviour there that hasn't been seen before. The gate is by the JS toilet block, I assume. But even so, no one needed to go right up to the gate.
The Charlton fans goading or reacting to them - what kind of response did they expect. Probably not for the gate to be opened. But just walk on by and leave the ground and there's no incident. Again, no one needed to go right up to the gate.
A couple of police stationed there probably defuses things, and there'd be no incident. It was clear from the scenes after the equaliser that tensions were rising in that part of the ground. The only people who did need to be at the gate, weren't.
Half a mile separating fans at the station, via our little detour. A flimsy gate, effectively unmanned, separating fans where the away end territory meets the home end. Presumably a security/risk blind spot of the club & police.
All elements needed to combine, and they did. No one comes out well.
Once the gates opened, there's no condoning whatever then happened, obviously. Hopefully everyone is alright.
Some of the basically playground bullies
, attacked innocent people, who are no way, Charlton,s threat element.6 -
carly burn said:Whilst I'll never condone the actions of the spanners, name and shame the Bertie big bollox on our side that thought it was a good idea to throw the metal barrier over their side before the gates opened?
We've got our share of a fair few pricks that follow us about
It was thrown through the middle of the gate by one of them first if you watch it. Not to say throwing it back was clever.2 -
This is Ground Control to Major Tom
You've really made the grade
And the papers want to know whose shirts you wear
Now it's time to leave the capsule if you dare......
Apparently this match was classed as grade 2 by the police, officers had riot helmets and batons present around the ground station area, mounted police, vans with police response teams, restricted ticket sales, Away fans given priority to exit the ground, exclusion zones you name it .....Yet the only place Millwall could attack Charlton fans was an unlocked gate manned by two regular stewards. The team in charge of this match from the police, person in charge of team of stewards and Charlton comm's team need to make sure this doesn't happen again. Basic common sense would have put 2-3 police by the gate and possibly a barrier on the Millwall side 10yds from the gate with stewards so it covered health and safety.......9 -
Know the bloke in that flat0
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Unfortunately I was at the bottom of those stairs with my eight year old son and his friend as that gate opened. There was a panic and people tried to run… like when someone gets shot. I grabbed their hands said ‘we’ll be fine but hold my hand and let’s walk up the stairs quickly’. I looked straight ahead but my son looked back and said he saw a group on Millwall fans attacking a single Charlton fan, and that he felt really sorry for that fan.
He was petrified and is still distraught now. Wouldn’t let me leave his room at bed time.
Can’t lie, I’m fucking furious and will be making a complaint.67 -
valleynick66 said:
Even more interesting.PragueAddick said:
My understanding is that the Club had tabled sensible proposals, you know, the sort of stuff that most people on here( and any other EFL fanbase for that matter) would expect, and plod kept finding issues with them, finally imposing their own dumb proposal on the Club Thurs or even yesterday ( I am not sure which, but one of the two). I understand that Mick Everitt was involved but all his sensible ideas based on years of experience were overruled.valleynick66 said:
So that actually makes me more curious.PragueAddick said:
I was told by a good source today that it was last minute. And it can be verified eventually with an FOI request.valleynick66 said:
I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk.PragueAddick said:
What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there.valleynick66 said:
Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop.sam3110 said:
All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.Is it normal / usual
that the policing arrangements take this long to agree / finalise ie is a Thursday / Friday decision point the usual schedule and normally without any contention?
Whatever I don’t really get how the ‘safety’ decision can be made without the associated need for more club comms and direct stewarding / loud hailers etc directing people to Harvey Gardens if the issue of fans mingling is considered a genuine problem. Which by the way it would seem it still is even in 2025.I cynically assume the club knew sooner but chose not to mention for fear of losing a few ticket sales. I could be wrong but such is my general impression currently of the club trying to monetise everything ☹️Surely a number of situations today occured which should not have happened if handled differently. Policing for a start.Keeping the away fans in after the game could not have been any worse than what CHARLTON fans have suffered.2 -
We know where you live………. !Gribbo said:Know the bloke in that flat
Exactly a pathetic comment, you’d expect from them. I’m just so pleased we are better than that.0 -
That is appalling TeeC. Do complain. All the best to you and your son & his friend. This sort of thing can put people off for life sadly, as I know from experience.TeeC said:Unfortunately I was at the bottom of those stairs with my eight year old son and his friend as that gate opened. There was a panic and people tried to run… like when someone gets shot. I grabbed their hands said ‘we’ll be fine but hold my hand and let’s walk up the stairs quickly’. I looked straight ahead but my son looked back and said he saw a group on Millwall fans attacking a single Charlton fan, and that he felt really sorry for that fan.
He was petrified and is still distraught now. Wouldn’t let me leave his room at bed time.
Can’t lie, I’m fucking furious and will be making a complaint.24 - Sponsored links:
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Unless we start winning some games soon the problem will have been a one off and not to be repeated for several seasons ☹️
A cock up all around and for which we won’t know for a little while if any lessons are truly learned.Cue us getting them in the FA Cup draw…0 -
Jamie Wall?Gribbo said:Know the bloke in that flat
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Why would any Spanners want to go out that way anyway?TootingRedArmy said:
It’s not going in the direction that many/any of them would benefit from……I doubt just about none of them had any idea where they were going to end up…..idiots.2 -
Well. To be fair many do live towards Bexleyheath side etc. so if they were ‘innocent’ it might make sense.SoundAsa£ said:
Why would any Spanners want to go out that way anyway?TootingRedArmy said:
It’s not going in the direction that many/any of them would benefit from……I doubt just about none of them had any idea where they were going to end up…..idiots.
But I assume they responded to the bating from the East Stand by a few of our less thoughtful fans.3 -
Why should law abiding citizens remain at a football ground for an hour after a match has finished when they want to go home.R0TW said:
If that was my parents, I would have gave it an hour. What did you expect? A parting of the waves?sam3110 said:
Because my mum and dad are limited in mobility and have a blue badge, so were entitled to go that way as per the instructions.valleynick66 said:
Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop.sam3110 said:
All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.
Not that I have to answer to you...4 -
Took this pic a good 10 mins plus after the final whistle.
The whole of the West Sand was trying to squeeze out of one gate. Which wouldn't have been as bad if everyone was then turning right along the "appointed" route, but it was carnage with people not knowing which way they could or should go. So the stairs were backed up all the way to the top and people weren't moving.
Surely that's a safety concern? And it definitely blew a whole in the myth some on here were going along with that the diversion would only add 10-15 mins to the walk to the station.
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TeeC said:Unfortunately I was at the bottom of those stairs with my eight year old son and his friend as that gate opened. There was a panic and people tried to run… like when someone gets shot. I grabbed their hands said ‘we’ll be fine but hold my hand and let’s walk up the stairs quickly’. I looked straight ahead but my son looked back and said he saw a group on Millwall fans attacking a single Charlton fan, and that he felt really sorry for that fan.
He was petrified and is still distraught now. Wouldn’t let me leave his room at bed time.
Can’t lie, I’m fucking furious and will be making a complaint.
Hope your boy is ok mate. Hopefully as he grows older he'll see them for what they are....not monsters...just inadequates who have a cowardly pack mentality.
You read the hoolie books and watch the films and they have to keep the perpetual myth going that there is some sort of honour and kudos to it. It's a farce and just used to paper over the fallacy of it all.
Standing together, not running and all that bollocks...doing that when you're defending your family or in a war or intervening to help a stranger in public is. Not getting pissed and coked up and terrifying kids and general people who want nothing to do with that sort of thing.
Same c***s always bemoaning the scumbag rudeboys stabbing each other over postcode drug wars or looting shops yet can't see the similarities and probably see themselves as 'old school' and 'honourable' salt of the earth types. Load of bollocks.
The old boy at the end of Football Factory had their card marked and nailed on.
Men fight in the trenches, not at football stadiums.
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I've used that exit for years & have NEVER seen any opposing fan's anywhere near that exit gate.TootingRedArmy said:
I always come in that way (The Bartram gate) but today left via the bottom exits out onto Floyd Rd.3 -
I cannot believe the amount of police officers in Floyd Road before the game.This is an insult to the tax payer that this level of policing is available for football matches,but get burgled and there is no one available.Dozens of them,just standing around laughing and joking,doing sod all.No doubt a massive bill to the club,and no doubt a nice little earner for all involved,make me fucking sick.15
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to continue,just seen the videos,where are the police when needed,2 stewards left to deal with this,while no doubt old bill on their way home.0
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That is a shambles. I’d be asking the MP to question the police about their handling of the whole event.Off_it said:Took this pic a good 10 mins plus after the final whistle.
The whole of the West Sand was trying to squeeze out of one gate. Which wouldn't have been as bad if everyone was then turning right along the "appointed" route, but it was carnage with people not knowing which way they could or should go. So the stairs were backed up all the way to the top and people weren't moving.
Surely that's a safety concern? And it definitely blew a whole in the myth some on here were going along with that the diversion would only add 10-15 mins to the walk to the station.22 -
thickandthin63 said:to continue,just seen the videos,where are the police when needed,2 stewards left to deal with this,while no doubt old bill on their way home.
When or where does the time come when the club request plod to be at strategic points?inside the ground? Particularly when we're paying for this.
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I cant actually believe there is an unlocked gate with one or two stewards separating home and away fans. Just doesnt make sense 😂11
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Saw this as well. 2 horses went after fans going under the blocked underpass with batons out (not sure if anyone was struck)chilham said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I was out quickly at the end through the gate by the Media Centre, amazed to see two mounted police by Ransom Walk, with WPC on one horse charging at the leaving crowd and shouting 'Get back'. Was able to exit along Harvey Gardens towards the 'appointed route' but dozens behind the Covered End walking towards Floyd Rd, presumably oblivious of 'publicised' exit route.Latimer said:Well that didn’t work shambles0 -
Matt Pennycook? Last I heard, he was a @castrust member…Airman Brown said:
That is a shambles. I’d be asking the MP to question the police about their handling of the whole event.Off_it said:Took this pic a good 10 mins plus after the final whistle.
The whole of the West Sand was trying to squeeze out of one gate. Which wouldn't have been as bad if everyone was then turning right along the "appointed" route, but it was carnage with people not knowing which way they could or should go. So the stairs were backed up all the way to the top and people weren't moving.
Surely that's a safety concern? And it definitely blew a whole in the myth some on here were going along with that the diversion would only add 10-15 mins to the walk to the station.1 -
I know you’ve got a soft spot for Millwall, so sorry to break it to you, but it was locked. They broke it open. You can see the broken bits in some of the photos.ElfsborgAddick said:I am baffled how this gate was able to be opened. Surely it is normally locked.1 -
Who do you support? Like, really?ElfsborgAddick said:
My point is that if there was nobody the other side of the gate this would not have happened.Karim_myBagheri said:
It's on this thread as well. Doesn't really change anything to what Rodney has posted.ElfsborgAddick said:
@oohaahmortimer has plonked a YouTube clip on the other thread that changes things a tad.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Curb_It said:
This is horrible. I hope the fan who got a punch there makes a complaint to the club. Shocking policing.TootingRedArmy said:
Bloke who is clearly not about all that in glasses holding his hands up to show he's not interested gets a clump. If that's what their lot are about these days deary me. Breaking into a stand housed by mainly scarfer types and clearly significantly outnumbering those who are up for it.
Puts to bed all that bollocks about bullshit romanticised honour and code and nonsense that gets rolled out in the hoolie wanksfest films. Get up to the woods with like minded people, pay a subsidy to the NHS to sort you out afterwards or go to a boxing club and leave the rest of us to get on with the game ffs.
Tragic, inadequate people. Bullies
A couple of Charlton idiots who either ran or the Millwall lot didn't get to them doesn't mean it's alright to start on whoever next is available2 -
What is wrong with you? ‘One of us’? Jesus.ElfsborgAddick said:
@MillwallFan is one of us, he's a good lad.Friend Or Defoe said:
That needs to be sent to the police. Assaulted a person trying to defuse the situation who clearly is of no threat.TootingRedArmy said:
The reds the other side of the gate in that video need banning too.
I expect Millwallfan to hold his hands up and admit to being sadly wrong about today. No need to give him grief over this.9 -
I would imagine he would be "disappointed" then.PragueAddick said:
Matt Pennycook? Last I heard, he was a @castrust member…Airman Brown said:
That is a shambles. I’d be asking the MP to question the police about their handling of the whole event.Off_it said:Took this pic a good 10 mins plus after the final whistle.
The whole of the West Sand was trying to squeeze out of one gate. Which wouldn't have been as bad if everyone was then turning right along the "appointed" route, but it was carnage with people not knowing which way they could or should go. So the stairs were backed up all the way to the top and people weren't moving.
Surely that's a safety concern? And it definitely blew a whole in the myth some on here were going along with that the diversion would only add 10-15 mins to the walk to the station.
And we will be told lessons will be learned. And we will be assured that this sort of thing isn't going to happen again.
And then Millwall will come to town again, and out comes the red carpet for away fans - with two fingers stuck up to home fans.12 -
Uboat said:
What is wrong with you? ‘One of us’? Jesus.ElfsborgAddick said:
@MillwallFan is one of us, he's a good lad.Friend Or Defoe said:
That needs to be sent to the police. Assaulted a person trying to defuse the situation who clearly is of no threat.TootingRedArmy said:
The reds the other side of the gate in that video need banning too.
I expect Millwallfan to hold his hands up and admit to being sadly wrong about today. No need to give him grief over this.
He's alright.
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