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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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BigRedEvil said:Was there much trouble? I'm not reading mass issues at the station so by and large the police restrictions probably worked as they intended6
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I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan1
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killerjerrylee said:Hartleypete said:Whoever is in control of safety at the valley is a c**t of the highest order.3
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valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.2 -
ElfsborgAddick said:I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan1
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Ducktapeshoerepairs said:ElfsborgAddick said:I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan7
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valleynick66 said:JohnnyH2 said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.I’m surprised with hindsight there was no stewards or police with loud hailers directing people to only turn left on exiting the ground.Clearly some knew but wanted to circumvent the restriction was my other point. We have troublemakers too sometimes.
Total bollocks from the football club4 -
ElfsborgAddick said:I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan7
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PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.0 -
PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.3 - Sponsored links:
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We all meant to pile in on him then?0
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JohnnyH2 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:PragueAddick said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.I’m not defending the police decision at all.But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help.Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation.The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans.But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?
They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason.
Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way.So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans.
It wasn’t the club’s decision and they won’t want to own it, but even if you’re not willing to dissent from it publicly you do have a duty to inform fans, and that’s much easier for the club than the police.21 -
Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.3
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I've sat in East Stand since it opened, this is first time i've seen away fans force the gate and start fighting with Charlton fans exiting via Landsdown Mews. I was a few steps up the stairs so saw objects being thrown and two young stewards in orange high viz trying to hold the gate and taking punches from Millwall fans. Around 60+ Millwall fans came through and a few punches were thrown, one Charlton fan got a bit of a kicking a few steps up and a handful of Millwall fans came up the stairs where i was standing. There were a couple of stewards at the top by the exit but zero police, also usually 5-10 mins from the end of matches stewards come along and sit down in front of East stand, nothing today? The policing and stewarding of East stand and area behind the away fans in Jimmy Seed was pretty much non existant. Bizzarre? as was lack of communication about exiting the stadium for the vast majority. Not a great day at office for the police and club for how our stewards were organised. I felt for two young stewards on the gate who took quite a few punches trying to hold back the Millwall fans.16
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TootingRedArmy said:I've sat in East Stand since it opened, this is first time i've seen away fans force the gate and start fighting with Charlton fans exiting via Landsdown Mews. I was a few steps up the stairs so saw objects being thrown and two young stewards in orange high viz trying to hold the gate and taking punches from Millwall fans. Around 60+ Millwall fans came through and a few punches were thrown, one Charlton fan got a bit of a kicking a few steps up and a handful of Millwall fans came up the stairs where i was standing. There were a couple of stewards at the top by the exit but zero police, also usually 5-10 mins from the end of matches stewards walking in front of East stand and sit down, nothing today? The policing and stewarding of East stand and area behind the away fans in Jimmy Seed was pretty non existant. Bizzarre as was lack of communication about exiting the stadium for vast majority.2
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When the millwall fan revealed his shirt when they scored in the east. Got a couple of kicks as the stewards escorted him to the jimmy seed for a heroes welcome (strange). Unless i missed it, also seemed strange there was no police in sight!
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Yeah. The policing was way over the top today. Police vans all over the place. Blocking roads. Didn’t seem to be any coordination. Useless I’d say.Actually, at QPR a couple of weeks ago I thought they were overreacting a bit as well. Just seems to cause more aggravation not less.0
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valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.
Not that I have to answer to you...
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I think the police got lucky we missed the storm and it was sunny after full time0
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Hartleypete said:ElfsborgAddick said:I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan
He has said previously of Charlton connections and a liking of us.
I still think he should banned from here for a month as from today0 -
Croydon said:Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.
And that goes towards the senior management at the football club with their lack of information to those supporters who have been coming back in numbers at the Valley3 -
sam3110 said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.
Not that I have to answer to you...0 -
shirty5 said:Croydon said:Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.
And that goes towards the senior management at the football club with their lack of information to those supporters who have been coming back in numbers at the Valley1 -
TootingRedArmy said:5
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TootingRedArmy said:5
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R0TW said:sam3110 said:valleynick66 said:sam3110 said:TootingRedArmy said:Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point.
Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club.
Not that I have to answer to you...
Not our fault the lemons stationed there had decided to give a blanket "no" to everyone coming along that way, and then suddenly decided to open it to all and sundry, putting all their earlier efforts to waste.
Funnily enough we didn't fancy an hour's wait at The Valley, seeing as they were turfing you out of the stands and there's nowhere else to sit for an hour.
But you carry on mate and crack one out over trying to win internet points15 -
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fenaddick said:TootingRedArmy said:2