Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.

After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45

1131416181951

Comments

  • Was there much trouble? I'm not reading mass issues at the station so by and large the police restrictions probably worked as they intended 
    Maybe not mass trouble in terms of aggro but it still would've been a lot less had they chosen the logical option of just keeping Millwall fans in the away end until we'd all cleared.
  • I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan :)
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,822
    Whoever is in control of safety at the valley is a c**t of the highest order.
    No way was this the club's fault. The police overruled the suggested arrangements and are fully responsible for everything that occurred.
    Do the Old Bill manage the Club comms as well then?
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,141
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there. 

    It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.
    I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk. 

    I’m not defending the police decision at all. 

    But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help. 

    Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation. 

    The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans. 
    I was told by a good source today that it was last minute. And it can be verified eventually with an FOI request.

    But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?

    They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
    So that actually makes me more curious.

    If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason. 

    Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess  is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way. 
    My understanding is that the Club had tabled sensible proposals, you know, the sort of stuff that most people on here( and any other EFL fanbase for that matter) would expect, and plod kept finding issues with them, finally imposing their own dumb proposal on the Club Thurs or even yesterday ( I am not sure which, but one of the two). I understand that Mick Everitt was involved but all his sensible ideas based on years of experience were overruled. 

    So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans. 
  • I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan :)
    Can’t wait for the @millwallfan love in 
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,194
    I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan :)
    Can’t wait for the @millwallfan love in 
    Exactly what I was about to post. I find it nauseating. 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,210
    JohnnyH2 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there. 

    It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.
    I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk. 

    I’m not defending the police decision at all. 

    But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help. 

    Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation. 

    The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans. 
    The majority of the crowd would not have known about the after game arrangements due to the non existent comms from the club on this issue
    Quite possibly you are right. It feels like the club tried to bury the news and not highlight it which was a poor choice if the ‘experts’ decided that routing was needed for safety reasons. Don’t see how you can conclude it’s a necessary change to make and then not communicate it more. 

    I’m surprised with hindsight there was no stewards or police with loud hailers directing people to only turn left on exiting the ground. 

    Clearly some knew but wanted to circumvent the restriction was my other point. We have troublemakers too sometimes. 
    The communication from the club was a head under a blanket attitude 

    Total bollocks from the football club
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,699
    I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan :)
    He will say it never happened, all the scum are good boys any trouble was West Ham. He is a prick who pretends to be all matey.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,963
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there. 

    It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.
    I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk. 

    I’m not defending the police decision at all. 

    But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help. 

    Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation. 

    The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans. 
    I was told by a good source today that it was last minute. And it can be verified eventually with an FOI request.

    But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?

    They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
    So that actually makes me more curious.

    If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason. 

    Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess  is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way. 
    My understanding is that the Club had tabled sensible proposals, you know, the sort of stuff that most people on here( and any other EFL fanbase for that matter) would expect, and plod kept finding issues with them, finally imposing their own dumb proposal on the Club Thurs or even yesterday ( I am not sure which, but one of the two). I understand that Mick Everitt was involved but all his sensible ideas based on years of experience were overruled. 

    So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans. 
    You mean they didn’t just lie down and get walked over like you assumed yesterday?
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,341
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    What are you interrogating him for? He said that he was in a Costa with his parents having a coffee and witnessed it from there. 

    It’s the most senior police officer responsible for this shambles you should be interrogating. I won’t get my hopes up for that, of course.
    I was referring to the confrontation mentioned at Ransom Walk. 

    I’m not defending the police decision at all. 

    But from what I saw a number of fans did go that way even though they should not and had no reason to (whereas Sam did) and which doesn’t help. 

    Likewise the idiots in the East Stand rucking with the Millwall fan and bating the JS stand throughout the game. It doesn’t help when we have those exacerbating the situation. 

    The question I think we should know the answer to is when the club knew of the decision in light of the late notice to fans. 
    I was told by a good source today that it was last minute. And it can be verified eventually with an FOI request.

    But that is not the question. If it had been decided and released to the public two weeks ago, it would still have been a monumentally stupid and offensive decision, and the pond-life would still have broken down the Lansdowne Mews gates to cause trouble in the one area that plod in their stupidity thought there was no need to cover (I exited that way). So the question is why did the senior police officer who made this decision, do so? What was his rationale for it? How does he explain it given that it virtually never happens this way at any other ground? And why were there no police around Lansdowne Mews?

    They are at Palace on Wednesday. I am very curious as to how that police unit handles them.
    So that actually makes me more curious.

    If last minute what happened to make that a needed decision? What changed in the week to make that a necessity ? I can’t immediately think of a reason. 

    Lansdowne Mews I’d hazard a guess  is just a cock up in that no one thought of that happening as we never see away fans trying to leave that way. 
    My understanding is that the Club had tabled sensible proposals, you know, the sort of stuff that most people on here( and any other EFL fanbase for that matter) would expect, and plod kept finding issues with them, finally imposing their own dumb proposal on the Club Thurs or even yesterday ( I am not sure which, but one of the two). I understand that Mick Everitt was involved but all his sensible ideas based on years of experience were overruled. 

    So wth that short notice, the Club would have been very hard pressed to get the news out to all fans. 
    They did not even send a tweet out about it
  • Sponsored links:



  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,479
    We all meant to pile in on him then?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,722
    Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 383
    edited September 13
    I've sat in East Stand since it opened, this is first time i've seen away fans force the gate and start fighting with Charlton fans exiting via Landsdown Mews. I was a few steps up the stairs so saw objects being thrown and two young stewards in orange high viz trying to hold the gate and taking punches from Millwall fans. Around 60+ Millwall fans came through and a few punches were thrown, one Charlton fan got a bit of a kicking a few steps up and a handful of Millwall fans came up the stairs where i was standing. There were a couple of stewards at the top by the exit but zero police, also usually 5-10 mins from the end of matches stewards come along and sit down in front of East stand, nothing today? The policing and stewarding of East stand and area behind the away fans in Jimmy Seed was pretty much non existant. Bizzarre? as was lack of communication about exiting the stadium for the vast majority. Not a great day at office for the police and club for how our stewards were organised. I felt for two young stewards on the gate who took quite a few punches trying to hold back the Millwall fans.
  • I've sat in East Stand since it opened, this is first time i've seen away fans force the gate and start fighting with Charlton fans exiting via Landsdown Mews. I was a few steps up the stairs so saw objects being thrown and two young stewards in orange high viz trying to hold the gate and taking punches from Millwall fans. Around 60+ Millwall fans came through and a few punches were thrown, one Charlton fan got a bit of a kicking a few steps up and a handful of Millwall fans came up the stairs where i was standing. There were a couple of stewards at the top by the exit but zero police, also usually 5-10 mins from the end of matches stewards walking in front of East stand and sit down, nothing today? The policing and stewarding of East stand and area behind the away fans in Jimmy Seed was pretty non existant. Bizzarre as was lack of communication about exiting the stadium for vast majority. 
    but if you dare spark up a cigarette at half time near or on those steps there's always stewards there to stop you. 
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,184
    When the millwall fan revealed his shirt when they scored in the east. Got a couple of kicks as the stewards escorted him to the jimmy seed for a heroes welcome (strange). Unless i missed it, also seemed strange there was no police in sight!
  • Rob
    Rob Posts: 11,765
    Yeah. The policing was way over the top today. Police vans all over the place. Blocking roads. Didn’t seem to be any coordination. Useless I’d say. 
    Actually, at QPR a couple of weeks ago I thought they were overreacting a bit as well. Just seems to cause more aggravation not less. 
  • Leroy Ambrose
    Leroy Ambrose Posts: 14,435
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    Because my mum and dad are limited in mobility and have a blue badge, so were entitled to go that way as per the instructions.

    Not that I have to answer to you...
    Understood. 


    Think the word you're probably looking for here is 'sorry'. 

    HTH
  • 2121
    2121 Posts: 1,184
    I think the police got lucky we missed the storm and it was sunny after full time
  • Sponsored links:



  • I'm keen to hear the thoughts of our mate @MillwallFan :)
    He will say it never happened, all the scum are good boys any trouble was West Ham. He is a prick who pretends to be all matey.
    No, that is harsh and uncalled for.
    He has said previously of Charlton connections and a liking of us.
    I still think he should banned from here for a month as from today :)
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,210
    edited September 13
    Croydon said:
    Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.
    A decision made by their senior management who will never admit to those individuals on the streets who take the flak that they were wrong 

    And that goes towards the senior management at the football club with their lack of information to those supporters who have been coming back in numbers at the Valley
  • R0TW
    R0TW Posts: 1,673
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    Because my mum and dad are limited in mobility and have a blue badge, so were entitled to go that way as per the instructions.

    Not that I have to answer to you...
    If that was my parents, I would have gave it an hour. What did you expect? A parting of the waves?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,722
    shirty5 said:
    Croydon said:
    Old bill at the ROD admitted to us to they got it badly wrong today. Don't think things were helped by the Greenwich line being out of action either.
    A decision made by their senior management who will never admit to those individuals on the streets who take the flak that they were wrong 

    And that goes towards the senior management at the football club with their lack of information to those supporters who have been coming back in numbers at the Valley
    Yeah spot on mate.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,963

    What a photo that is

  • Just like the Merseyside Derby...
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,234
    R0TW said:
    sam3110 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Well that went to plan, just two stewards on the gate between Jimmy Seed stand and East Stand. Punches thrown between the fence, stuff thrown by both fans. Then Millwall fans forced the gate and a few fights broke up going up the steps. One Charlton fan shouted "this is a family stand". All the planning, where were stewards and police on this section of the stadium to stop this flash point. 
    All too busy arguing with people in wheelchairs and on crutches that they need to go the long way or wait half an hour for them to reopen Floyd Road!
    Question. Why were you there to witness that and not walk down Harvey Gardens as requested? I exited the West Stand and it was clear you couldn’t use the normal gate by the shop. 

    Lets face it many deliberately went the wrong’ way and of course some didn’t know because of the poor comms by the club. 
    Because my mum and dad are limited in mobility and have a blue badge, so were entitled to go that way as per the instructions.

    Not that I have to answer to you...
    If that was my parents, I would have gave it an hour. What did you expect? A parting of the waves?
    What are you on about? The instructions were to go to Ransom Walk if you had mobility issues, and the stewards and police were meant to assist people in getting through and take a "short cut".

    Not our fault the lemons stationed there had decided to give a blanket "no" to everyone coming along that way, and then suddenly decided to open it to all and sundry, putting all their earlier efforts to waste. 

    Funnily enough we didn't fancy an hour's wait at The Valley, seeing as they were turfing you out of the stands and there's nowhere else to sit for an hour. 

    But you carry on mate and crack one out over trying to win internet points 
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,684
    edited September 13
    .

  • fenaddick said:

    What a photo that is
    I can lip read, to a man they were screaming " come on then you Charlton caaaarrrnnntttts".