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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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Wouldn't be surprised if they leave barriers down and make everyone take the dreaded bridge of doom0
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golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.
As well as that you can bet your life when the spanners were at Elland Road last season, and others, that THEY were kept in the ground whilst the home fans left the ground.
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golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..0 -
.....will they allow everyone to walk through Hickin and Gallon? Barney Close gonna be closed or everyone would just outflank road block by the Anti1
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There are trains running via Blackheath, but not via Greenwich (bus replacement service).SteveACS said:
If there are no trains, what's to marshall?Off_it said:On a serious point, someone needs to make sure the level crossing is properly marshalled/policed. I seem to remember last time this happened that the coppers on the ground didn't even know there was a level crossing down the road they were telling everyone to go down!0 -
guinnessaddick said:
There are trains running via Blackheath, but not via Greenwich (bus replacement service).SteveACS said:
If there are no trains, what's to marshall?Off_it said:On a serious point, someone needs to make sure the level crossing is properly marshalled/policed. I seem to remember last time this happened that the coppers on the ground didn't even know there was a level crossing down the road they were telling everyone to go down!
Such a surprise there is engineering work tomorrow.
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The OB probably don’t even know about that route.Gribbo said:.....will they allow everyone to walk through Hickin and Gallon? Barney Close gonna be closed or everyone would just outflank road block by the Anti0 -
Because we haven’t.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.1 -
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..2 -
The club in their wisdom have decided to tuck this information away at the end of their many articles they have published on the website today.southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
What Millwall have done by publishing this is the correct way of letting their fans know
No reason why they haven’t done this so far.You can bet there will be much confusion afterwards with fans not having a clue that has been put in place9 -
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Wouldn't have happened in the 00's either, we were in Prem, remember?MillwallFan said:
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..
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Obviously I wasn't in the safety meeting and I'm guessing you weren't either.guinnessaddick said:
Because they have allowed this decision to be made.There isn't another club in the country that would allow this to happen to their home fans. This will be the second time that it's happened to us and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be the last. Grow some fucking balls and keep them in, the club could always lose the keys to the gates.southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
So, and I'm making a wild assumption, despite any protests the club may have made, they were told what was going to happen and that was that.
If any other club in the country are given instructions on how the crowd will be controlled outside of the ground then they would have to comply.
The police will always have the final say.3 -
This is one game where old bill have to earn their money.Normally,fans are mingling without incident,now there could be problems and they have not got a clue.Instead of just standing about chatting they "may" have something to do,and dont like it.0
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Would love to know what power the club have on the roads around Charlton that means they could have stopped the police doing this?0
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"So called fans"?southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
Embarrassing comment.12 -
Yeah but for Millwall fans it's still 1976 so you can understand our concern.MillwallFan said:
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..3 -
Think the point is - whenever something goes wrong, the club getting it both barrels from the fans regardless whether they're at fault or not 🤷♂️Off_it said:
"So called fans"?southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
Embarrassing comment.1 -
So if Harvey Gardens and Floyd road are closed at 11.30, how do you get into the covered end and west stand after 11.30?2
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Well, even if the final decision was the OBs, the clubs comms and timings have hardly been the best, have they?Gribbo said:
Think the point is - whenever something goes wrong, the club getting it both barrels from the fans regardless whether they're at fault or not 🤷♂️Off_it said:
"So called fans"?southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
Embarrassing comment.
And the other point is, "so called fans" seemingly can't wait to have a go at other fans by using the "so called fans" comment as soon as something happens they don't like. Works both ways.
The comment is still embarrassing and the poster needs to have a word with themselves.4 -
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To continue,if any Millwall fans are intent on causing problems,why not by pass the station continue to the Antigallican and "ambush " The held Charlton fans.This is a different era,yes there will be a small minority who fancy themselves as throwbacks to the nutters of 30-40 years ago,but by and large they will just be gobby kids who will run a mile from a fight.
Another thing,if I was a criminal of any sort,I would certainly look to make hay tomorrow as the entire police force of S.E. England will be at football matches or demonstrations.
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All jokes aside, there’s people on here who have called it, the vast majority of away fans there will be season ticket holders who have the required number of loyalty points. This won’t be like the old rent a mob crowd who would turn out for big games when tickets are readily available. I’m not saying there won’t be trouble, some isolated incidents, but grounds getting smashed up? Calm down my dear, it ain’t gonna happen 😆AllHailTheHen said:
Yeah but for Millwall fans it's still 1976 so you can understand our concern.MillwallFan said:
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..5 -
Walking, Harvey Gardens/ Floyd Road closed to traffic.Redvaliant said:So if Harvey Gardens and Floyd road are closed at 11.30, how do you get into the covered end and west stand after 11.30?0 -
Someone should tell the Old Bill that.MillwallFan said:
All jokes aside, there’s people on here who have called it, the vast majority of away fans there will be season ticket holders who have the required number of loyalty points. This won’t be like the old rent a mob crowd who would turn out for big games when tickets are readily available. I’m not saying there won’t be trouble, some isolated incidents, but grounds getting smashed up? Calm down my dear, it ain’t gonna happen 😆AllHailTheHen said:
Yeah but for Millwall fans it's still 1976 so you can understand our concern.MillwallFan said:
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..2 -
So, why is it, that Greenwich police think this is the way to handle the situation, when every other police force don't?southamptonaddick said:
Obviously I wasn't in the safety meeting and I'm guessing you weren't either.guinnessaddick said:
Because they have allowed this decision to be made.There isn't another club in the country that would allow this to happen to their home fans. This will be the second time that it's happened to us and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be the last. Grow some fucking balls and keep them in, the club could always lose the keys to the gates.southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
So, and I'm making a wild assumption, despite any protests the club may have made, they were told what was going to happen and that was that.
If any other club in the country are given instructions on how the crowd will be controlled outside of the ground then they would have to comply.
The police will always have the final say.3 -
And once the Police have made the decision, the club then should make this known as widely as possible. Say it clearly and loudly who made this call, and supporters know exactly what they need to do after the game (not all are on SM and Forums).southamptonaddick said:
Obviously I wasn't in the safety meeting and I'm guessing you weren't either.guinnessaddick said:
Because they have allowed this decision to be made.There isn't another club in the country that would allow this to happen to their home fans. This will be the second time that it's happened to us and you can bet your bottom dollar it won't be the last. Grow some fucking balls and keep them in, the club could always lose the keys to the gates.southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
So, and I'm making a wild assumption, despite any protests the club may have made, they were told what was going to happen and that was that.
If any other club in the country are given instructions on how the crowd will be controlled outside of the ground then they would have to comply.
The police will always have the final say.
That is what the club could have done considerably better14 -
Thanks, it isn't clear that is traffic, thought that was always the case and hour before KO.clive said:
Walking, Harvey Gardens/ Floyd Road closed to traffic.Redvaliant said:So if Harvey Gardens and Floyd road are closed at 11.30, how do you get into the covered end and west stand after 11.30?0 -
I've had a little chat with myself and we both agreed it's not embarrassing at all.Off_it said:
Well, even if the final decision was the OBs, the clubs comms and timings have hardly been the best, have they?Gribbo said:
Think the point is - whenever something goes wrong, the club getting it both barrels from the fans regardless whether they're at fault or not 🤷♂️Off_it said:
"So called fans"?southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
Embarrassing comment.
And the other point is, "so called fans" seemingly can't wait to have a go at other fans by using the "so called fans" comment as soon as something happens they don't like. Works both ways.
The comment is still embarrassing and the poster needs to have a word with themselves.
We also both agreed that the clubs communications could have been better but that doesn't change the point that it's not the clubs fault and that some "so called fans" can't wait to have a dig at the club.0 -
That's just vilesouthamptonaddick said:
I've had a little chat with myself and we both agreed it's not embarrassing at all.Off_it said:
Well, even if the final decision was the OBs, the clubs comms and timings have hardly been the best, have they?Gribbo said:
Think the point is - whenever something goes wrong, the club getting it both barrels from the fans regardless whether they're at fault or not 🤷♂️Off_it said:
"So called fans"?southamptonaddick said:Why are some people blaming the club.
We've been told it's a police decision and they have the final say.
It seems some so called Charlton "fans" just can't wait to have a dig.
Nobody is happy about it but if the police decide that's what is going to happen the club can do fuck all about it.
Embarrassing comment.
And the other point is, "so called fans" seemingly can't wait to have a go at other fans by using the "so called fans" comment as soon as something happens they don't like. Works both ways.
The comment is still embarrassing and the poster needs to have a word with themselves.
We also both agreed that the clubs communications could have been better but that doesn't change the point that it's not the clubs fault and that some "so called fans" can't wait to have a dig at the club.2 -
Yep. Takes the piss what they’ve done. Even I can see that and I’m Millwall! 😁Off_it said:
Someone should tell the Old Bill that.MillwallFan said:
All jokes aside, there’s people on here who have called it, the vast majority of away fans there will be season ticket holders who have the required number of loyalty points. This won’t be like the old rent a mob crowd who would turn out for big games when tickets are readily available. I’m not saying there won’t be trouble, some isolated incidents, but grounds getting smashed up? Calm down my dear, it ain’t gonna happen 😆AllHailTheHen said:
Yeah but for Millwall fans it's still 1976 so you can understand our concern.MillwallFan said:
mate, it isn’t the 70’s or 80’s, or even the 90’s or the 00’s. It’s 2025. Seriously, we’re not going to smash the ground up 😆Valleysarr said:golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.golfaddick said:
So all other home fans in the Championship have to do this when Millwall visit ? Don't recall seeing it in the media over the past few years that Millwall fans have smashed up stadiums.Henry Irving said:Spoke to one of the directors about this who said that it was out of the club's hands and a police decision they weren't happy about.
Police rationale was if the Spanners were kept in they'd smash the place up and/or fight the old bill.
In case you want to let the crowd go the museum will be open after the game.Mate this is a local derby that’s not been played for years ..11
