Lucas Akins (Mansfield Town) Sentenced to 14-months in Prison!!

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

olster said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

olster said:

This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.

14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.

High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.

Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.

Nobody is blaming the victim on here - they're simply pointing out there are plenty of unsafe cyclists out there as well.

I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?

Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?

I'm not OK with it when there is the possibility of *actual* harm, not just perceived harm. Modified e-bikes is an example, having a heavy bike that can go 30+mph is far more dangerous than anyone just pedalling. I'm not OK with that, and there should be more enforcement there.

If I see a cyclist on their phone, it doesn't really bother me. If I see a car driver on their phone it makes me angry. If I see a lorry driver on their phone, i'm apocalyptic (and I'll contact their employer). Not because of who those people are, but of the possibility of harm of others.

We live in a world where hate on cyclists is popular, has been whipped up by the daily mail / X / facebook, and it's me, my family and my friends who are put at greater risk because of it. This thread is yet another demonstration of it.

According to your logic it doesn't bother you if you see a cyclist on their phone because apparently they can't do any harm. I thought being hit by a cyclist or them causing an accident by not paying attention was a possible problem but obviously I was wrong.

The arrogance of a small minority of cyclists is laughable... I'm sick of avoiding the knobheads who cycle down the towpaths on the Thames at speed with little consideration for pedestrians.

Going through red lights and not adhering to the rules of the road.

LargeAddick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

olster said:

This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.

14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.

High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.

Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.

Nobody is blaming the victim on here - they're simply pointing out there are plenty of unsafe cyclists out there as well.

I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?

Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?

I’d add in cyclists who cycle in flip flops, numerous cyclists who don’t wear helmets, numerous cyclists who don’t have sufficient lights etc etc. 

Flip flops? Never seen propa cyclists with flip flops on

ValleyGary said:

Classic CL, I’ve never seen a cyclist in flip flops but I hate them already. What else they wear?

Speedos and snorkels.

orpingtonRED said:

LargeAddick said:

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

olster said:

This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.

14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.

High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.

Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.

Nobody is blaming the victim on here - they're simply pointing out there are plenty of unsafe cyclists out there as well.

I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?

Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?

I’d add in cyclists who cycle in flip flops, numerous cyclists who don’t wear helmets, numerous cyclists who don’t have sufficient lights etc etc. 

Flip flops? Never seen propa cyclists with flip flops on

He meant flippers.

ValleyGary said:

Classic CL, I’ve never seen a cyclist in flip flops but I hate them already. What else they wear?

Are bicycle clips still a thing?

fenaddick said:

Just as a point of balance a huge % of car drivers are really dangerous and ignore the highway code too. Move to somewhere like where I live, where people don't walk anywhere and just drive, and the dangerous driving is off the charts. The amount of times I've nearly been run over because people speed around corners or is off the charts

Basically people are arseholes regardless of their mode of transport.

DamoNorthStand said:

Cyclists going through red lights and generally ignoring the rules of the road is one of my pet hates in life. It happens all the time in London.

It’s not a small minority either. 

So you never exceed the speed limit, and you never accelerate when a light turns amber? 

I saw a fella riding an e bike on the pavement wearing "sliders" this morning. Do I get a prize?

Pedestrians, especially children and old people, seem to be viewed as the lowest of the low by other road users.
When coming up to a junction, either a T junction, a crossroads, or turning from a major road into a minor road, all vehicles are supposed to stop to allow pedestrians waiting to cross, to cross.
Pedestrians don’t pause in these situations to allow the faster moving vehicle to quickly sweep past, they pause out of fear of injury and hope the other vehicle users conform with the Highway Code, which means stopping to allow them to cross.
In my experience more than 80% of car drivers, and 99% of cyclists don’t stop for the pedestrians.

BalladMan said:

jose said:

Pedestrians, especially children and old people, seem to be viewed as the lowest of the low by other road users.
When coming up to a junction, either a T junction, a crossroads, or turning from a major road into a minor road, all vehicles are supposed to stop to allow pedestrians waiting to cross, to cross.
Pedestrians don’t pause in these situations to allow the faster moving vehicle to quickly sweep past, they pause out of fear of injury and hope the other vehicle users conform with the Highway Code, which means stopping to allow them to cross.
In my experience more than 80% of car drivers, and 99% of cyclists don’t stop for the pedestrians.

Your point here is interesting and I had not realised (as I am sure many others did not) that the Highway Code was updated in 2022 regarding this matter



However, its not quite true you are obliged to stop for people waiting to cross (it is recommended), but we are obliged to wait for those that are already crossing.

It is interesting how general motorists for many years are meant to keep up with changes to the Highway Code.  Should there be more education / mandated review of the code (with a test?) every 10/15 years? 

Trouble is if you start crossing without being sure the other guy will stop, you may get run down.

Alwaysneil said:

Also generally running people over whi are already crossing is not considered good form at all. 

I meant more that it is the pedestrians right of way, therefore don't get angry / shout out the window to get out the way...

I was beeped at yesterday whilst crossing the road (already crossing before the car indicated) so good to know as a pedestrian I am in the right, and as a driver to be know the rules.