Slightly amazed people are saying Jackson. I know we all love him but he took over in October and we finished in our lowest ever position up to that point. He started well but then there was a a point from February where we got 1 point from 8 games and he absolutely refused to change anything about the set-up. He looks like he's much better now with more experience but once he got figured out for us it was game over. Even the Garner/Holden axis finished 10th.
Depressingly it's probably between Peeters and Riga given that they were managing in the Championship. We started boringly but ok under Peeters and then things went a bit downhill but I don't think he would have relegated us. He was liable to piss all the players off though so who knows. Riga kept us up the first time but with a Powell team that had a bit of togetherness that made them better than they should have been. When he came back he actually got given some decent players - Fanni, Motta, Yun, Teixeira - but did a pretty crap job of it. We ended up going down by 9 points and there were some real debacles like Reading at home and Wednesday away. The worst was the 0-0s against MK Dons and Bolton where we just showed zero urgency to force a result against the two worst teams in the league. God, I think it might be Peeters. That's depressing
As an actual manager it's Parky by a mile though. Jackson might one day overtake him but if you look at all our other managers in the post-Curbs period they've all dropped back into obscurity after managing us. Peeters managed some rubbish Dutch teams and is now a Sporting Director, Luzon manages the Israel u21s, Riga is unemployed after last managing an Algerian team as far as I can tell, Slade was sacked by Hereford 5 years ago, Bowyer got sacked as Montserrat manager. The list goes on but Parkinson actually kicked on after us. He got to a League Cup final with Bradford and got them promoted to L1 and then into the L1 playoffs, got Bolton promoted to the Championship and initially kept them up in insane circumstances, just missed on on the playoffs with Sunderland in the Covid season and then has had a great run with Wrexham. The problem is he was so crap for us in the Championship it's unbelievable. Yes the team wasn't great but he won, what, 4 of 23 games? Took 11 games to get his first win and finished bottom. Impossibly bad.
Bit harsh, I liked Jacko and needs a bit of context.
Ibdont think what we saw of Jacko was a fair reflexion of him as a manager. He made us more solif and reliable but he had a terrible squad and had to be pragmatic. Also if we contextulise what he actually achieved he was in charge for 34 games and achieved 46 points, mathmatically (I know this is an assumption) over 46 games he would of achieved 62 points which would of placed us just outside of playoffs, with a team full of dross like Kirk, Fraser, Inniss, Lavelle et al would of been an achievement. A lot of that squad dropped to league 2/Non league.
Personally i thought Jacko did enough to warrant being given a season to bring his own players in and play a style he wanted, i believe he said thatnwas his plan in some interviews around the time of the end of season awards. Frankly how he was treated by TS was disgusting talking abput backing him then getting rid to bring in Garner.
Slightly amazed people are saying Jackson. I know we all love him but he took over in October and we finished in our lowest ever position up to that point. He started well but then there was a a point from February where we got 1 point from 8 games and he absolutely refused to change anything about the set-up. He looks like he's much better now with more experience but once he got figured out for us it was game over. Even the Garner/Holden axis finished 10th.
Depressingly it's probably between Peeters and Riga given that they were managing in the Championship. We started boringly but ok under Peeters and then things went a bit downhill but I don't think he would have relegated us. He was liable to piss all the players off though so who knows. Riga kept us up the first time but with a Powell team that had a bit of togetherness that made them better than they should have been. When he came back he actually got given some decent players - Fanni, Motta, Yun, Teixeira - but did a pretty crap job of it. We ended up going down by 9 points and there were some real debacles like Reading at home and Wednesday away. The worst was the 0-0s against MK Dons and Bolton where we just showed zero urgency to force a result against the two worst teams in the league. God, I think it might be Peeters. That's depressing
As an actual manager it's Parky by a mile though. Jackson might one day overtake him but if you look at all our other managers in the post-Curbs period they've all dropped back into obscurity after managing us. Peeters managed some rubbish Dutch teams and is now a Sporting Director, Luzon manages the Israel u21s, Riga is unemployed after last managing an Algerian team as far as I can tell, Slade was sacked by Hereford 5 years ago, Bowyer got sacked as Montserrat manager. The list goes on but Parkinson actually kicked on after us. He got to a League Cup final with Bradford and got them promoted to L1 and then into the L1 playoffs, got Bolton promoted to the Championship and initially kept them up in insane circumstances, just missed on on the playoffs with Sunderland in the Covid season and then has had a great run with Wrexham. The problem is he was so crap for us in the Championship it's unbelievable. Yes the team wasn't great but he won, what, 4 of 23 games? Took 11 games to get his first win and finished bottom. Impossibly bad.
Bit harsh, I liked Jacko and needs a bit of context.
Ibdont think what we saw of Jacko was a fair reflexion of him as a manager. He made us more solif and reliable but he had a terrible squad and had to be pragmatic. Also if we contextulise what he actually achieved he was in charge for 34 games and achieved 46 points, mathmatically (I know this is an assumption) over 46 games he would of achieved 62 points which would of placed us just outside of playoffs, with a team full of dross like Kirk, Fraser, Inniss, Lavelle et al would of been an achievement. A lot of that squad dropped to league 2/Non league.
Personally i thought Jacko did enough to warrant being given a season to bring his own players in and play a style he wanted, i believe he said thatnwas his plan in some interviews around the time of the end of season awards. Frankly how he was treated by TS was disgusting talking abput backing him then getting rid to bring in Garner.
I wanted to like Jackson as a manager but by the end for all the way Sandgaard went about it was unfair I was happy to see Jackson go. The squad was pretty bleak in places but there were enough good players for us not to be losing 6 of 7 consecutive games, losing at home to Morecambe and Wycombe, getting demolished at home by Oxford and barely putting up a fight at Crewe. Sandgaard was never going to give Jackson the summer as he never wanted him in the first place, but I don't even think a good summer window would have been enough given his refusal to ever change anything in the line-up. Clare at centre back, CBT and DJ as wingbacks, even Appleton recognised that having your most dangerous attacking threat playing at wingback when he's the wingest winger who ever winged was a bad idea after Holden's mess at the start of the season. I think Jackson had to get sacked in order to take stock and review his way of managing; he's much more flexible at Wimbledon now and has tried new things in the past when it hasn't been working which he flatly refused to do with us.
It's all opinions, for some Jackson is so beloved that he gets extra leeway, others were ok with what happened based on the squad. For me it's some of the worst football we ever played, I still remember coming off that winless run, barely scraping a few wins off Gillingham, Burton and Doncaster and never believing for one second that we wouldn't revert back, which we did a few times as the season ended. I don't say this with any happiness, if you dig out that Come in Number 4 thread you'll probably find me on every other page singing his praises, I absolutely love Jackson but it wasn't going to work. It was a dark time in our history all round but I'm mostly just glad Jackson got moved on while it was still debatable instead of us hitting a real low point and the fans turning on him. You've got to remember that there wasn't going to be an exciting summer where he got to pick the players he needed; the next season was the Ben Garner free transfer lucky dip summer. We got 5 free transfers, 3 of which he'd had at Swindon, two loans and then Terell Thomas on a free in September when it became clear there weren't enough living humans in the building. The only thing that saved our season was that one of the loans was JRS, and Jackson would have probably played him at wingback. The thing that finally got Garner sacked was him complaining to the press that he'd been made promises about transfer resources that were broken. Jackson would have been in the same situation and wouldn't have made it to January, but he probably would have lost the remaining goodwill along the way. It's better this way
I think the context of how Jacko has done at Wimbledon buys him some credit, it's clear he was completely learning on the job with us and needed some time. I also think that if he'd been given the summer he would have recruited better than Garner.
Karel Fraeye getting the gig here will surely never be beaten as the worst appointment in our history.
Nobody will ever come close.
100%. A bloke that was managing in the regionalised 3rd division of Belgium - which is below conference standard - getting a job in the championship was utterly insane.
Dot think Russell Slade gets a mention... Wonder what his legacy will be?
Bottom 3, with Fraeye and Appleton. Not quite as useless as Fraeye and a nicer guy than Appleton .
Just barely though. We laugh about that being patient thing he did with Louis now but it was some proper nasty bully boy behaviour, all for the crime of asking about transfers during the transfer window.
Dot think Russell Slade gets a mention... Wonder what his legacy will be?
Bottom 3, with Fraeye and Appleton. Not quite as useless as Fraeye and a nicer guy than Appleton .
Just barely though. We laugh about that being patient thing he did with Louis now but it was some proper nasty bully boy behaviour, all for the crime of asking about transfers during the transfer window.
Dot think Russell Slade gets a mention... Wonder what his legacy will be?
Bottom 3, with Fraeye and Appleton. Not quite as useless as Fraeye and a nicer guy than Appleton .
Just barely though. We laugh about that being patient thing he did with Louis now but it was some proper nasty bully boy behaviour, all for the crime of asking about transfers during the transfer window.
Port Vale away on a Tuesday night after a 1–1 draw in the middle of October if my memory serves me correctly
Dot think Russell Slade gets a mention... Wonder what his legacy will be?
Bottom 3, with Fraeye and Appleton. Not quite as useless as Fraeye and a nicer guy than Appleton .
Just barely though. We laugh about that being patient thing he did with Louis now but it was some proper nasty bully boy behaviour, all for the crime of asking about transfers during the transfer window.
Port Vale away on a Tuesday night after a 1–1 draw in the middle of October if my memory serves me correctly
It was even earlier than that shockingly. It was when the transfer window was still open and it was after his second game, which was a 1-0 loss to Cheltenham (newly promoted to L2) in the League Cup
Jose Riga. His first spell in particular , Inherited a pretty poor team just outside the relegation places with only a couple of months of the season remaining One job , keep the club from being relegated.
Passed with flying colours.
A job Powell would have completed if left in place.
Jose Riga. His first spell in particular , Inherited a pretty poor team just outside the relegation places with only a couple of months of the season remaining One job , keep the club from being relegated.
Passed with flying colours.
A job Powell would have completed if left in place.
Exactly, Riga didn't do so well in his second spell.
Jose Riga. His first spell in particular , Inherited a pretty poor team just outside the relegation places with only a couple of months of the season remaining One job , keep the club from being relegated.
Passed with flying colours.
A job Powell would have completed if left in place.
Yes he would have. We had 3 games in hand and were not too far down at the bottom of the table.
The Roland bunch would have spent the rest of the season treating Powell like crap. It probably would have worn him out.
The club were forced to move in a different direction and Powell deserved to get himself a normal football management job away from the Belgian virus.
I'm surprised parkinson didn't get much of a mention. He is the 4th best since Curbs in my opinion.
He didn't have the backing under the owners after the playoff failure.
We put a good side together and he was good at recruitment.
The fourth best manager in the last twenty years isn't much of a compliment at most clubs. Unfortunately, at Charlton, it makes you one of the very best, in a long list.
However he had an awful run of results in the Championship, which does count against him. The most undeserved caretaker to permanent manager switch ever.
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Ibdont think what we saw of Jacko was a fair reflexion of him as a manager. He made us more solif and reliable but he had a terrible squad and had to be pragmatic. Also if we contextulise what he actually achieved he was in charge for 34 games and achieved 46 points, mathmatically (I know this is an assumption) over 46 games he would of achieved 62 points which would of placed us just outside of playoffs, with a team full of dross like Kirk, Fraser, Inniss, Lavelle et al would of been an achievement. A lot of that squad dropped to league 2/Non league.
Personally i thought Jacko did enough to warrant being given a season to bring his own players in and play a style he wanted, i believe he said thatnwas his plan in some interviews around the time of the end of season awards. Frankly how he was treated by TS was disgusting talking abput backing him then getting rid to bring in Garner.
Was shit
Yes he would have. We had 3 games in hand and were not too far down at the bottom of the table.
The Roland bunch would have spent the rest of the season treating Powell like crap. It probably would have worn him out.
The club were forced to move in a different direction and Powell deserved to get himself a normal football management job away from the Belgian virus.
He didn't have the backing under the owners after the playoff failure.
We put a good side together and he was good at recruitment.
However he had an awful run of results in the Championship, which does count against him. The most undeserved caretaker to permanent manager switch ever.
However Parky takes it for me. Liked him a lot. Powell took the team he had in 5th to 14th.