Some of the comments in the past few days are nothing but an insult to Kelman. Oh well, at least it's easy to note which posters follow themselves rather than their club and players.
How is someone saying that they'd prefer Miles or Godden up front to him, an insult to Kelman? None of the comments in the last 2 pages have slagged off Kelman, called him useless or lazy. It's just been people preferring other members of our squad at the moment.
Ditto preferring Kone to Kelman, which even if you disagree, if a perfectly reasonable position to take. The likes of Swansea and Leicester were after Kone, whereas our rival for Kelman was L1 Luton.
West Brom were after Kelman, as were other unnamed championship sides.
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
If we're going down that path, Kelman failed to score against us in both league games last season and the playoff final.
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
You can’t judge a players potential ability from 2 poor games. Kone’s potential is more around his physical profile anyway, he is exactly what teams are looking for physically from a modern striker.
I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
No he didn't. He sent Alex Mitchell before placing it.
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.
Fair enough, the point still stands though. You can’t judge a player of 2 games against us, if so then Kelman is shit as he did fuck all against us last season in the league
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
If Kone was available to us then I’m quite confident we’d have signed him instead of Kelman. He is a bit like Leaburn in that he is potentially close to a Nathan jones dream striker profile
That doesn’t mean Kelman is a bad signing. I think he will be a good signing if we use him right and he develops well
As others have said it was probably more likely Tanto or Kone from a profile POV. Tanto could be brought in earlier and given the benefit of a preseason and was half the price
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
You can’t judge a players potential ability from 2 poor games. Kone’s potential is more around his physical profile anyway, he is exactly what teams are looking for physically from a modern striker.
I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
No he didn't. He sent Alex Mitchell before placing it.
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.
Fair enough, the point still stands though. You can’t judge a player of 2 games against us, if so then Kelman is shit as he did fuck all against us last season in the league
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
Your point doesn't really stand anymore in that regard though. Once we were a settled side properly, he couldn't get near us. Neither did Kelman, but at least he was scoring otherwise. Kone 2 goals in 24 games?
You don't know if we wanted Kone, it sounds like our target was Kelman.
People within football recruitment circles? A lot of assumptions here, so let's go with the actual facts.
Outscored by Kelman, outplaced by Kelman (actually helped his side make Wembley), less assists than Kelman, and not as versatile as Kelman in terms of finishing.
I can't wait for Kone to get pocketed by Ramsay or Lloyd again and Kelman to score against QPR, it's going to be lovely.
Attitude and a willing to adapt, learn and listen come into it. It’s possible Kone’s attitude wasn’t right for NJ from the off, so was not even in his plans (or just never has been as he wanted Kelman from months ago). Kelman comes across as someone who will listen and learn. My Southend supporting mates were all positive about his attitude when he was younger. I think he just needs a shoulder of support, confidence. Something he may not of had at QPR.
Anyway, I’ve got trust in NJ and that Kelman will be fine. Just needs patience all round, which obviously some of our UEFA qualified coaches on here don’t have
There really are some half glass empty people on this site. Life is short, just enjoy it. We have all been given a dodgy card, as Charlton supporters. Just keep smiling, I’m positive within 25 years we will see the premier league again
The scum of the football world, who couldn't give a fuck how good or bad a footballer is or if they'll fit into a team as long as they get their oversized slice of the pie!
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
You can’t judge a players potential ability from 2 poor games. Kone’s potential is more around his physical profile anyway, he is exactly what teams are looking for physically from a modern striker.
I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
No he didn't. He sent Alex Mitchell before placing it.
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.
Fair enough, the point still stands though. You can’t judge a player of 2 games against us, if so then Kelman is shit as he did fuck all against us last season in the league
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
Your point doesn't really stand anymore in that regard though. Once we were a settled side properly, he couldn't get near us. Neither did Kelman, but at least he was scoring otherwise. Kone 2 goals in 24 games?
You don't know if we wanted Kone, it sounds like our target was Kelman.
People within football recruitment circles? A lot of assumptions here, so let's go with the actual facts.
Outscored by Kelman, outplaced by Kelman (actually helped his side make Wembley), less assists than Kelman, and not as versatile as Kelman in terms of finishing.
I can't wait for Kone to get pocketed by Ramsay or Lloyd again and Kelman to score against QPR, it's going to be lovely.
I’ll be honest mate I think the Charlton bias is screaming in this post. I bet if we’d signed Kone you’d be convincing yourself that he’s better than Kelman. Lloyd Jones is a brilliant defender, Godden would have probably struggled up against him last season too
For the way we play in particular I think Kone fits far better. He’s much better in duels which is key for that role that Godden played last season and is a weakness for Kelman, he’s physically strong and mobile, and he can obviously score goals. He’s a better all-round player and prospect in my opinion, fair enough if you disagree
One bad run of form (where clearly his mind was elsewhere after nearly going for £7m in January) doesn’t mean much. Otherwise you could look at Kelman’s bad runs (any season other than last season). Kone is a better all round striker than Kelman in my opinion, Kelman is probably a better goalscrorer. Both are good signings but I think I’d rather Kone and most of the championship recruitment departments would probably agree imo
Interesting one with Kone. Scored for fun early season then did fuck all. Whether that was down to his failed move to the glamour of Luton, the manager or just being found out, I don't know? Kelman seemed to score goals all season and in fairness Orient were erratic in form. An interesting swap for QPR for sure.
Didn’t want to illicit such strong emotional responses from people so sorry about that, just found it interesting Kone’s gone to qpr for about what we might have paid for kelman. Two very different players but I genuinely think kone is a real talent, the kind of player you’d love to have on your team rather than the oppositions, also was shocked at how young he is when I saw him lead wycombe’s line (they looked toothless once they took him off against us). QPR seemed to have thought kone was a better bet than kelman. Again, I think Kelman will come good, I liked what little he was able to contribute on Saturday - he almost scored with a quick little flick that the keeper saved, no one else in the team would’ve had the instincts to do that and to me indicates he is a natural goalscorer.
id also make the point that I think we have our own kone in miles - a player who can lead the line but also run the channels and is good with his feet for a big lad. Just want miles to put himself about a bit more and continue to improve. So Kelman is almost certainly the better choice… for us!
Interesting one with Kone. Scored for fun early season then did fuck all. Whether that was down to his failed move to the glamour of Luton, the manager or just being found out, I don't know? Kelman seemed to score goals all season and in fairness Orient were erratic in form. An interesting swap for QPR for sure.
Kelman had 3 league goals by mid-December. His season was basically Kone’s but flipped
Interesting one with Kone. Scored for fun early season then did fuck all. Whether that was down to his failed move to the glamour of Luton, the manager or just being found out, I don't know? Kelman seemed to score goals all season and in fairness Orient were erratic in form. An interesting swap for QPR for sure.
Kelman had 3 league goals by mid-December. His season was basically Kone’s but flipped
Ah right...I didn't realise that!
Edit. So that makes Kelman the man in form and Kone a busted flush lol
Didn’t want to illicit such strong emotional responses from people so sorry about that, just found it interesting Kone’s gone to qpr for about what we might have paid for kelman. Two very different players but I genuinely think kone is a real talent, the kind of player you’d love to have on your team rather than the oppositions, also was shocked at how young he is when I saw him lead wycombe’s line (they looked toothless once they took him off against us). QPR seemed to have thought kone was a better bet than kelman. Again, I think Kelman will come good, I liked what little he was able to contribute on Saturday - he almost scored with a quick little flick that the keeper saved, no one else in the team would’ve had the instincts to do that.
He’s not just young in age, he’s even younger in football terms as he’s barely been a pro footballer so he’s got so much room to grow. There is so much potential to develop him now he’s getting high level coaching that other players have had since they were teenagers
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
You can’t judge a players potential ability from 2 poor games. Kone’s potential is more around his physical profile anyway, he is exactly what teams are looking for physically from a modern striker.
I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
No he didn't. He sent Alex Mitchell before placing it.
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.
Fair enough, the point still stands though. You can’t judge a player of 2 games against us, if so then Kelman is shit as he did fuck all against us last season in the league
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
Your point doesn't really stand anymore in that regard though. Once we were a settled side properly, he couldn't get near us. Neither did Kelman, but at least he was scoring otherwise. Kone 2 goals in 24 games?
You don't know if we wanted Kone, it sounds like our target was Kelman.
People within football recruitment circles? A lot of assumptions here, so let's go with the actual facts.
Outscored by Kelman, outplaced by Kelman (actually helped his side make Wembley), less assists than Kelman, and not as versatile as Kelman in terms of finishing.
I can't wait for Kone to get pocketed by Ramsay or Lloyd again and Kelman to score against QPR, it's going to be lovely.
I’ll be honest mate I think the Charlton bias is screaming in this post. I bet if we’d signed Kone you’d be convincing yourself that he’s better than Kelman. Lloyd Jones is a brilliant defender, Godden would have probably struggled up against him last season too
For the way we play in particular I think Kone fits far better. He’s much better in duels which is key for that role that Godden played last season and is a weakness for Kelman, he’s physically strong and mobile, and he can obviously score goals. He’s a better all-round player and prospect in my opinion, fair enough if you disagree
One bad run of form (where clearly his mind was elsewhere after nearly going for £7m in January) doesn’t mean much. Otherwise you could look at Kelman’s bad runs (any season other than last season). Kone is a better all round striker than Kelman in my opinion, Kelman is probably a better goalscrorer. Both are good signings but I think I’d rather Kone and most of the championship recruitment departments would probably agree imo
It is just pure exaggerations by people. Prime example is that Callum Fowler. "He's a reyt player, will be premier league in no time" it's crazy takes like that that get people talking and then all of a sudden people forget how pants he became. It amazes me how powerful a tool social media is for hyping a player.
Same as the Wycombe bloke who I told with full confidence Matty Godden is a better player than Kone, and Kone will do well to even replicate Goddens prime. What happens, Kone hooked in the big game, Godden scores the winner.
Kelman will outscore Kone, as long as he gets to play enough, very confident of that.
Didn’t want to illicit such strong emotional responses from people so sorry about that, just found it interesting Kone’s gone to qpr for about what we might have paid for kelman. Two very different players but I genuinely think kone is a real talent, the kind of player you’d love to have on your team rather than the oppositions, also was shocked at how young he is when I saw him lead wycombe’s line (they looked toothless once they took him off against us). QPR seemed to have thought kone was a better bet than kelman. Again, I think Kelman will come good, I liked what little he was able to contribute on Saturday - he almost scored with a quick little flick that the keeper saved, no one else in the team would’ve had the instincts to do that and to me indicates he is a natural goalscorer.
id also make the point that I think we have our own kone in miles - a player who can lead the line but also run the channels and is good with his feet for a big lad. Just want miles to put himself about a bit more and continue to improve. So Kelman is almost certainly the better choice… for us!
QPR sold Kelman as he didn't want to extend his contract. Again, something that has been reported a lot and people are still saying "Why did QPR let him go" or to words of that effect.
Kelman didn't want to play for QPR, so they cashed in. He would probably be at West Brom but they thought his valuation was too high.
Undoubtedly if he was there people would be saying it would be nice if we were in for him.
Kone is a better signing than Kelman. I don’t think Kone would have signed for us though, he will be worth at least £10m in the future so was always going to have interest from more established championship teams. QPR have done well there
How about the fact that Jones had him in his pocket every time we played them.
You can’t judge a players potential ability from 2 poor games. Kone’s potential is more around his physical profile anyway, he is exactly what teams are looking for physically from a modern striker.
I’d also point out the game at the valley where Kone turned Jones and scored a great goal so you’re even wrong about that
No he didn't. He sent Alex Mitchell before placing it.
Can't call someone out when you haven't checked something like that, come on.
Fair enough, the point still stands though. You can’t judge a player of 2 games against us, if so then Kelman is shit as he did fuck all against us last season in the league
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
Your point doesn't really stand anymore in that regard though. Once we were a settled side properly, he couldn't get near us. Neither did Kelman, but at least he was scoring otherwise. Kone 2 goals in 24 games?
You don't know if we wanted Kone, it sounds like our target was Kelman.
People within football recruitment circles? A lot of assumptions here, so let's go with the actual facts.
Outscored by Kelman, outplaced by Kelman (actually helped his side make Wembley), less assists than Kelman, and not as versatile as Kelman in terms of finishing.
I can't wait for Kone to get pocketed by Ramsay or Lloyd again and Kelman to score against QPR, it's going to be lovely.
I’ll be honest mate I think the Charlton bias is screaming in this post. I bet if we’d signed Kone you’d be convincing yourself that he’s better than Kelman. Lloyd Jones is a brilliant defender, Godden would have probably struggled up against him last season too
For the way we play in particular I think Kone fits far better. He’s much better in duels which is key for that role that Godden played last season and is a weakness for Kelman, he’s physically strong and mobile, and he can obviously score goals. He’s a better all-round player and prospect in my opinion, fair enough if you disagree
One bad run of form (where clearly his mind was elsewhere after nearly going for £7m in January) doesn’t mean much. Otherwise you could look at Kelman’s bad runs (any season other than last season). Kone is a better all round striker than Kelman in my opinion, Kelman is probably a better goalscrorer. Both are good signings but I think I’d rather Kone and most of the championship recruitment departments would probably agree imo
It is just pure exaggerations by people. Prime example is that Callum Fowler. "He's a reyt player, will be premier league in no time" it's crazy takes like that that get people talking and then all of a sudden people forget how pants he became. It amazes me how powerful a tool social media is for hyping a player.
Same as the Wycombe bloke who I told with full confidence Matty Godden is a better player than Kone, and Kone will do well to even replicate Goddens prime. What happens, Kone hooked in the big game, Godden scores the winner.
Kelman will outscore Kone, as long as he gets to play enough, very confident of that.
I wouldn’t be that surprised if Kelman does outscore Kone this season, he’s probably a better goalscorer as I said. Though Kone does have 3 of the best attacking players in the league potentially supplying him so I’d probably take that bet
I also think Godden is probably better than Kone. I think he’s better than Kelman too
Kone will go higher than Kelman does in his career, and be worth more. That I don’t have any doubt in
I’ve just polled a group I’m in that’s full of EFL fans. Pretty knowledgeable space, even with a few people that work in football recruitment.
In the poll of Kelman vs Kone, the vote is 90% Kone
I still think Kelman can be a good signing, but think there is definitely some Charlton bias clouding judgement around whether QPR have come out best from this
Kone will catch the eye more, more dynamic footballer, if you polled people he would come out higher.
they are both very good strikers, but have different profiles, and will fit different needs, think QPR is a weird move, more a means to an end type move
I’ve just polled a group I’m in that’s full of EFL fans. Pretty knowledgeable space, even with a few people that work in football recruitment.
In the poll of Kelman vs Kone, the vote is 90% Kone
I still think Kelman can be a good signing, but think there is definitely some Charlton bias clouding judgement around whether QPR have come out best from this
….how many people voted and what does that prove ?
God this has turned into a silly conversation from what was a couple of posters saying they’re not sure he fits.
I hope Kelman gets his first career Championship goal sooner rather than later so we can put the discussion to bed, at least temporarily.
Discussions about whether he fits our system are legitimate though, considering NJ was happy to sell Alfie May as he didn't fit his plans.
I think Kelman is currently a more similar player to Alfie May than he is to Godden in terms of style and how they play
The difference with Kelman vs May is that he is young, so Jones has time to mould him into the player he wants him to be. And physically Kelman is more similar to Godden than May so it’s definitely possible he improves at this weak points people are pointing out
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We had a very good defence last season.
i don’t think we had a choice between Kone and Kelman, as Kone will always have had interest from more established teams. QPR had the choice between Kelman and Kone, and went with Kone
People within football recruitment circles are very excited about Kone. And I can see why based on his physical attributes. He’s going to be worth a hell of a lot more than QPR have just paid for him
That doesn’t mean Kelman is a bad signing. I think he will be a good signing if we use him right and he develops well
You don't know if we wanted Kone, it sounds like our target was Kelman.
People within football recruitment circles? A lot of assumptions here, so let's go with the actual facts.
Outscored by Kelman, outplaced by Kelman (actually helped his side make Wembley), less assists than Kelman, and not as versatile as Kelman in terms of finishing.
I can't wait for Kone to get pocketed by Ramsay or Lloyd again and Kelman to score against QPR, it's going to be lovely.
Kelman comes across as someone who will listen and learn. My Southend supporting mates were all positive about his attitude when he was younger. I think he just needs a shoulder of support, confidence. Something he may not of had at QPR.
Anyway, I’ve got trust in NJ and that Kelman will be fine. Just needs patience all round, which obviously some of our UEFA qualified coaches on here don’t have
There really are some half glass empty people on this site. Life is short, just enjoy it. We have all been given a dodgy card, as Charlton supporters. Just keep smiling, I’m positive within 25 years we will see the premier league again
So agents then?
The scum of the football world, who couldn't give a fuck how good or bad a footballer is or if they'll fit into a team as long as they get their oversized slice of the pie!
For the way we play in particular I think Kone fits far better. He’s much better in duels which is key for that role that Godden played last season and is a weakness for Kelman, he’s physically strong and mobile, and he can obviously score goals. He’s a better all-round player and prospect in my opinion, fair enough if you disagree
One bad run of form (where clearly his mind was elsewhere after nearly going for £7m in January) doesn’t mean much. Otherwise you could look at Kelman’s bad runs (any season other than last season). Kone is a better all round striker than Kelman in my opinion, Kelman is probably a better goalscrorer. Both are good signings but I think I’d rather Kone and most of the championship recruitment departments would probably agree imo
id also make the point that I think we have our own kone in miles - a player who can lead the line but also run the channels and is good with his feet for a big lad. Just want miles to put himself about a bit more and continue to improve. So Kelman is almost certainly the better choice… for us!
Edit. So that makes Kelman the man in form and Kone a busted flush lol
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Same as the Wycombe bloke who I told with full confidence Matty Godden is a better player than Kone, and Kone will do well to even replicate Goddens prime. What happens, Kone hooked in the big game, Godden scores the winner.
Kelman will outscore Kone, as long as he gets to play enough, very confident of that.
Kelman didn't want to play for QPR, so they cashed in. He would probably be at West Brom but they thought his valuation was too high.
Undoubtedly if he was there people would be saying it would be nice if we were in for him.
I also think Godden is probably better than Kone. I think he’s better than Kelman too
I still think Kelman can be a good signing, but think there is definitely some Charlton bias clouding judgement around whether QPR have come out best from this
come out higher.
they are both very good strikers, but have different profiles, and will fit different needs, think QPR is a weird move, more a means to an end type move
That settles that then
I hope Kelman gets his first career Championship goal sooner rather than later so we can put the discussion to bed, at least temporarily.