Charlton 25/26 Tactics Thread

fenaddick · July 9

Going to try this again as it was a bit more popular last season and with our signings coming through the door we're starting to get a picture for how we might set up. Do we think the signing of Burke moves Ramsay out to RWB? Might we switch to a 5-2-3 at times with TC & Tanto/a new signing flanking a lone Godden/Leaburn in the centre? Will some of the width actually come from Carey as the 10?

ForeverAddickted · July 9

Apparently we're going to ring up Luton every Friday night, and find out what tactics they're planning.

covered_end_junior · July 9

I don’t think we’ll move Ramsay out to RWB, at least not from the start of games as our plan A.

I think Burke provides competition for Ramsay and Jones, given his fitness record we won’t want to overplay him anyway. I could see him coming on to help us see out games with Ramsay moving to RWB as a more defensive option than whoever it is we sign.

I still expect a first choice RWB to come in.

ForeverAddickted · July 9

On a serious note, first game of the season and I expect the team to line up at present

Kaminski
Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey
RWB - Coventry - Docherty - Edwards
Carey
Godden - Campbell

Subs: Mannion - Burke - Bell - Asiimwe - Anderson - Berry - Dixon - Olaofe - Leaburn

Docherty to still be dropped between now and then
Asiimwe I'm 50/50 on, depending on Pre-Season
Maybe Olaofe for Carey, with Tanto and Tyreece flanking Godden?

RWB and a more creative Midfielder definitely feel like the priority, the absolute musts now. But just looking at that bench, what with nine slots available now, and it definitely makes more sense having Burke / Bell in there.

Redrobo · July 9

I think we will go for an inverted goal keeper playing it up into the hole to a false number six.
In possession we will incorporate the offensive players into midfield in a hexagon shape, and out of possession we will go to the rectangle five five.

Under pressure we will just hit it as far as we can and hope someone gets on the end of it.

Do I get the job?

sirjohnhumphrey · July 9

Has Jones ever played 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 before?
Ramsay, Jones, Burke, Gillesphey, Edwards, Bell will all expect decent game time. Plus the two Mitchell's aswell. Will there be times when he plays a four at the back with Jones alongside either Burke or Gillesphey?
He may have to be less rigid formation wise than last season?

Chunes · July 9

I expect he will continue with the 352 because it was defensively sound and most of the players know it inside out now. My biggest concern is that NJ doesn't replicate the width Small offered on the right. Without that, our attacking shape looked pretty awful.

jose · July 9

The aspiration from the club is to do better than only survive, but personally survival will suit me just fine.
An overall strategy is to be the fittest team in the league I reckon, packed with athletic quick robust warrior types in the main. Steamroller rather than fancy technique.
Still aim to keep clean sheets, and to nick goals where we can.
Maybe there will be room for a bit of creativity TC style, and I would like to see a really good set piece taker.
If we get to those magic 50 points soon enough, that would be the time for a bit more experimentation and a bit more expansive football, and the introduction of more of our home grown to see how they get on.
The 50 points I believe ought to be the absolute principle focus.

jonseventyfive · July 9

Smash it forward is my bet.

golfaddick · July 9

Pack the defence & hope for 0-0.

Lincsaddick · July 9

To start the season, a packed defence, defensive midfield and pumping long balls up to Tanto hoping he can hold on and let Godden in for the odd goal
We have a very difficult start to the season. I don't care how we play just so long as everyone gets stuck in, is singing the same old song and can squeeze out a few points.

Burke Ramsay Jones Gillesphey Edwards .. Carey Coventry Docherty .. Godden Olaofe
Assuming there are no more signings, which there sure should be

Bostonaddick · July 9

sirjohnhumphrey said:

Has Jones ever played 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 before?
Ramsay, Jones, Burke, Gillesphey, Edwards, Bell will all expect decent game time. Plus the two Mitchell's aswell. Will there be times when he plays a four at the back with Jones alongside either Burke or Gillesphey?
He may have to be less rigid formation wise than last season?

He has played a 442 Diamond midfield in the past. Actually used it pretty frequently but not as often as the 352. I actually think the beginning of last year that was his plan but had to switch early on as it didn’t fit our personnel

NabySarr · July 10

ForeverAddickted said:

On a serious note, first game of the season and I expect the team to line up at present

Kaminski
Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey
RWB - Coventry - Docherty - Edwards
Carey
Godden - Campbell

Subs: Mannion - Burke - Bell - Asiimwe - Anderson - Berry - Dixon - Olaofe - Leaburn
Docherty to still be dropped between now and then
Asiimwe I'm 50/50 on, depending on Pre-Season
Maybe Olaofe for Carey, with Tanto and Tyreece flanking Godden?
RWB and a more creative Midfielder definitely feel like the priority, the absolute musts now. But just looking at that bench, what with nine slots available now, and it definitely makes more sense having Burke / Bell in there.

I still think Berry will start over Carey. He’s important to our shape and leading the press out of possession. I’m sure Carey will pick these up and having a pre-season will definitely help where Gilbert failed but don’t expect him to be straight in the side

Chunes · July 10

NabySarr said:

ForeverAddickted said:

On a serious note, first game of the season and I expect the team to line up at present

Kaminski
Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey
RWB - Coventry - Docherty - Edwards
Carey
Godden - Campbell

Subs: Mannion - Burke - Bell - Asiimwe - Anderson - Berry - Dixon - Olaofe - Leaburn
Docherty to still be dropped between now and then
Asiimwe I'm 50/50 on, depending on Pre-Season
Maybe Olaofe for Carey, with Tanto and Tyreece flanking Godden?
RWB and a more creative Midfielder definitely feel like the priority, the absolute musts now. But just looking at that bench, what with nine slots available now, and it definitely makes more sense having Burke / Bell in there.

I still think Berry will start over Carey. He’s important to our shape and leading the press out of possession. I’m sure Carey will pick these up and having a pre-season will definitely help where Gilbert failed but don’t expect him to be straight in the side

I'd be disappointed if that is the case. There's no reason why Carey can't press equal to, or better than Berry. Knowing when to initiate and when to drop off can be coached. Berry got the lowest Statbank score in his section for last season and can't see him doing better in a league higher.

I think NJ will want us to be even more physical all over the pitch and that will see Berry resigned to a 'game changer' role. As a starter, Berry will prove to be a luxury we can't afford.

fenaddick · July 10

Carey can definitely learn the press. What we don’t know about is his movement. Berry made lots of intelligent runs last season that went unnoticed by both our fans and our players, if he can be found more often that would be a great positive. He doesn’t have some of the pace he used to have but he’s very intelligent and still has bundles of energy. Berry also loves getting stuck in in a tackle, think he’ll get a decent run to start the season

NabySarr · July 10

Chunes said:

NabySarr said:

ForeverAddickted said:

On a serious note, first game of the season and I expect the team to line up at present

Kaminski
Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey
RWB - Coventry - Docherty - Edwards
Carey
Godden - Campbell

Subs: Mannion - Burke - Bell - Asiimwe - Anderson - Berry - Dixon - Olaofe - Leaburn
Docherty to still be dropped between now and then
Asiimwe I'm 50/50 on, depending on Pre-Season
Maybe Olaofe for Carey, with Tanto and Tyreece flanking Godden?
RWB and a more creative Midfielder definitely feel like the priority, the absolute musts now. But just looking at that bench, what with nine slots available now, and it definitely makes more sense having Burke / Bell in there.

I still think Berry will start over Carey. He’s important to our shape and leading the press out of possession. I’m sure Carey will pick these up and having a pre-season will definitely help where Gilbert failed but don’t expect him to be straight in the side

I'd be disappointed if that is the case. There's no reason why Carey can't press equal to, or better than Berry. Knowing when to initiate and when to drop off can be coached. Berry got the lowest Statbank score in his section for last season and can't see him doing better in a league higher.

I think NJ will want us to be even more physical all over the pitch and that will see Berry resigned to a 'game changer' role. As a starter, Berry will prove to be a luxury we can't afford.

Carey played well as a left winger for Blackpool. I just don’t see Jones trusting him to go straight into that really important position central role straight away

I think Berry is really underrated by our fans, we were much better with him in the team than without, and a lot of his good work without the ball goes unnoticed

Chunes · July 10

NabySarr said:

Chunes said:

NabySarr said:

ForeverAddickted said:

On a serious note, first game of the season and I expect the team to line up at present

Kaminski
Ramsay - Jones - Gillesphey
RWB - Coventry - Docherty - Edwards
Carey
Godden - Campbell

Subs: Mannion - Burke - Bell - Asiimwe - Anderson - Berry - Dixon - Olaofe - Leaburn
Docherty to still be dropped between now and then
Asiimwe I'm 50/50 on, depending on Pre-Season
Maybe Olaofe for Carey, with Tanto and Tyreece flanking Godden?
RWB and a more creative Midfielder definitely feel like the priority, the absolute musts now. But just looking at that bench, what with nine slots available now, and it definitely makes more sense having Burke / Bell in there.

I still think Berry will start over Carey. He’s important to our shape and leading the press out of possession. I’m sure Carey will pick these up and having a pre-season will definitely help where Gilbert failed but don’t expect him to be straight in the side

I'd be disappointed if that is the case. There's no reason why Carey can't press equal to, or better than Berry. Knowing when to initiate and when to drop off can be coached. Berry got the lowest Statbank score in his section for last season and can't see him doing better in a league higher.

I think NJ will want us to be even more physical all over the pitch and that will see Berry resigned to a 'game changer' role. As a starter, Berry will prove to be a luxury we can't afford.

Carey played well as a left winger for Blackpool. I just don’t see Jones trusting him to go straight into that really important position central role straight away

I think Berry is really underrated by our fans, we were much better with him in the team than without, and a lot of his good work without the ball goes unnoticed

I do agree that he does good work off the ball, but for me it's not enough. There are two sides to the game and he doesn't get involved enough.

eaststandmike · July 10

Same as last season, keep it tight and don’t concede before HT and then try and nick it in the second half

fenaddick · July 10

The links to Galbraith and JRC are making me wonder if we’ll see Jones attempt a version of his box midfield again. Both have inverted a lot when played at RWB so if they shifted inside you would then push Doc (or his replacement) forward into a split 10 with Carey/Berry. This would fit with Carey’s strength drifting wide as it would fill in the gap he’d leave.

Scoham · July 10

Loads of lofted balls down the line, TC and/or Olaofe especially running the channels to help us win throws, second balls and set pieces.

We’ll be called anti-football, non-league, primitive by a lot of opposition fans.

Those playing tippy tappy possession football will be especially pompous, arrogant and angry when we grind out a narrow win off a set piece or after scoring from their mistake at the back.

fenaddick · July 15

So a few things have happened since the last time this thread was used. Firstly we signed JRC who NJ appears to view a midfielder, at the weekend we saw something closer to a 3-4-2-1 and the traditional 3-5-2 we've become used to, now it looks like we're likely to sign Apter who has pretty much only played as a winger from what I can see.

I assume that Apter will be converted into a different role like TC did but it's not impossible we play a 3-4-3 at some point either. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see us being a lot less rigid in our shape this season, much more matching up to the opposition like we did against Birmingham at home.

On top of that I have no idea who will play RWB, maybe Apter, maybe Ramsay, maybe NJ is bluffing and it's JRC but it's certainly an interesting question.

Tactically, think we could be in for a very interesting season.

NabySarr · July 15

fenaddick said:

So a few things have happened since the last time this thread was used. Firstly we signed JRC who NJ appears to view a midfielder, at the weekend we saw something closer to a 3-4-2-1 and the traditional 3-5-2 we've become used to, now it looks like we're likely to sign Apter who has pretty much only played as a winger from what I can see.

I assume that Apter will be converted into a different role like TC did but it's not impossible we play a 3-4-3 at some point either. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see us being a lot less rigid in our shape this season, much more matching up to the opposition like we did against Birmingham at home.

On top of that I have no idea who will play RWB, maybe Apter, maybe Ramsay, maybe NJ is bluffing and it's JRC but it's certainly an interesting question.

Tactically, think we could be in for a very interesting season.

Apter played right wing back for Blackpool last season before Bruce came in. He then played on the right in a 4-4-2 which is probably quite close to Small’s role in that he must have had a fair amount of defensive responsibility in that set up. I think we keep the same system most of the time but do now have more options to mix it up

NabySarr · July 15

I do think you’re right that we will potentially see more change than we did second half of this season. Maybe alternating between our usual 3-5-2 and a 3-4-2-1 depending on opposition

AddicksAddict · July 15

Redrobo said:

I think we will go for an inverted goal keeper playing it up into the hole to a false number six.
In possession we will incorporate the offensive players into midfield in a hexagon shape, and out of possession we will go to the rectangle five five.

Under pressure we will just hit it as far as we can and hope someone gets on the end of it.

Do I get the job?

No, because everybody knows the modern way is with an inverted number six and a false goalkeeper.

sam3110 · August 1

So as it stands I'm expecting a squad of:

Kaminski
Mannion
Maynard-Brewer

Apter
Fukuda

Ramsay
Burke
A.Mitchell

Jones
Z.Mitchell

Gillesphey
Bell

Edwards
Bennett
Enslin

Coventry
Docherty
Taylor

Rankin-Costello
Anderson
Fullah

Knibbs
Carey
Berry
Dixon

Kelman
Godden
Leaburn
Ahadme

Olaofe
Campbell
Mbick
Kanu

Bold is who I expect is first choice
Italic is someone who either hasn't signed, or could be off either permanently or on loan

That's currently 33 players, so could see as many as 8 leave IMO

Off_it · August 2

I live in hope that this year may finally see someone successfully return to the WM formation, with 5 up front.

fenaddick · August 29

I was listening to a podcast with the excellent Jonathan Wilson earlier and he was talking about top teams defending counter attacks with a 3-2 block at the back and it made me realise that’s exactly what we do. One benefit of having a coach like Jones is that he can implement more complicated tactical ideas even when playing in L1 last year.

I do think he has an interesting challenge this year. We are coming up against 433/4231 with dangerous wide players a lot more than in L1. I suspect that’s why Bell is playing above Gillesphey, he’s more mobile and can provide better cover to Edwards.

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