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Football arrests 'highest in years' & disorder on the rise - police
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A measley 11 from us. I suspect Nathan will want that to improve if we're to make our mark in the championship.
Though I got a good feeling we're gonna step up next season. A couple of London derbies and some big jealous northern clubs in the league will help.2 -
Arrests per spectator would be a better table, as the likes of Man U with 76000 will always have more arrests than teams with 6000.clive said:6 -
Reckon we could surprise a few this season, back on the big stage. Feels a bit like the 80s all over again, except this time no rave scene to take the edge off. I find mindfulness helps these days but for those ill-equipped to cope with losing, or provocative away fans, I do hope there isn't an upsurge in misbehaviour that spoils it for everybody else.1
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Millwall would probably be pretty high on that as well. More arrests than Leeds who get 36k, and almost as many arrests as Newcastle, Spurs and Arsenal who all get 50k+ every game.killerandflash said:
Arrests per spectator would be a better table, as the likes of Man U with 76000 will always have more arrests than teams with 6000.clive said:2 -
Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.5 -
Which makes our neighbours by far the worst. Also the likes of Oxford but that could be because they went up and got a bit carried away. Also maybe fed up with the larger away crowds turning up.killerandflash said:
Arrests per spectator would be a better table, as the likes of Man U with 76000 will always have more arrests than teams with 6000.clive said:0 -
Or that blokes aged between 20 & 40 like to get pissed up & have a fight.Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.
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The arrests at Millwall were all West Ham infiltrators4
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Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.Nonsense
The increase is mainly due to drug possesion arrests.
Twats will be twats in the high st, at race courses, night clubs, in Ibiza or at football just as they always have.2 -
4 more arrests than Orient, no wonder they think we're vile.7
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Sorry, pseudo intellectual nonsense, football violence was never, and has never been about wider societal issues, nor drugs, nor alcohol.Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.
Not a dig at you personally, but as someone who lived that life for many years and paid the price with my liberty, I laugh every time I read such stuff.16 -
I think we're trying to bring in some faces from Luton to bump up those numbers.Karim_myBagheri said:A measley 11 from us. I suspect Nathan will want that to improve if we're to make our mark in the championship.
Though I got a good feeling we're gonna step up next season. A couple of London derbies and some big jealous northern clubs in the league will help.6 -
Suspect it’s a mismatch associating arrest figures with violence. At the bigger clubs in particular it’s more likely to be for alcohol and drug offences, but charges for pyrotechnics and pitch incursions I suspect are much more of a factor these days. Take those four groupings out and I suspect the level of arrests are relatively small6
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What WAS it about then?DA9 said:
Sorry, pseudo intellectual nonsense, football violence was never, and has never been about wider societal issues, nor drugs, nor alcohol.Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.
Not a dig at you personally, but as someone who lived that life for many years and paid the price with my liberty, I laugh every time I read such stuff.
As somebody who has never lived that life I am genuinely interested to know2 -
There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
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Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
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Need to up our game Charlton as those numbers are embarrassing. Youngsters need to stop posting memes and drinking lattes and get out there and 'ave it.
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We need to, as headcase Harry and psycho Pete have moved to Preston.AllHailTheHen said:
I think we're trying to bring in some faces from Luton to bump up those numbers.Karim_myBagheri said:A measley 11 from us. I suspect Nathan will want that to improve if we're to make our mark in the championship.
Though I got a good feeling we're gonna step up next season. A couple of London derbies and some big jealous northern clubs in the league will help.0 -
yeah but we are killing it the lamp post stickers game thoughRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Need to up our game Charlton as those numbers are embarrassing. Youngsters need to stop posting memes and drinking lattes and get out there and 'ave it.
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I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.blackpool72 said:
Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.7 - Sponsored links:
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I look at the link posted by Clive and I thought it actually shows how well the majority of people behave in this country at football matches. No real surprise that the bigger clubs have more arrests, Man U with 70k+ each home sort of makes them better behaved than us with our mostly inflated crowds. Even so 11 people arrested over a season is incredibly small and there is no clues to why these people were arrested and out of that 11 how many faced further action and then how many got a conviction?1
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Enjoyment, a day out, a brotherhood, a sense of loyalty to your mates/club/area, kudos, bragging rights.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
What WAS it about then?DA9 said:
Sorry, pseudo intellectual nonsense, football violence was never, and has never been about wider societal issues, nor drugs, nor alcohol.Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.
Not a dig at you personally, but as someone who lived that life for many years and paid the price with my liberty, I laugh every time I read such stuff.
As somebody who has never lived that life I am genuinely interested to know
And as for EA stating the rise in the far right, ask the hooligan firms at West Ham, Tottenham, Birmingham, West Brom, Millwall, Leicester, Bradford & Arsenal if all their black & Asian members were far right.
People do it/did it because they want to
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You should do it!Baldybonce said:
I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.blackpool72 said:
Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.2 -
It intrigues me now that any picture taken of a group of guys in a football related environment, has an inference that they are part of a hooligan element. A picture of some Millwall fans in Mercia in the last week with a “Bushwackers” flag. An there wasn’t a person over 40, mostly 20 somethings. Most of those in the picture were not born, when the recognised “Bushwackers” existed.
Whilst, Millwall always been famous for every fan wanting to be seen as part of a hooligan element. This desire from lots of other fans is verging on weird.
Baldybonce should go for the book. Although I hope it would be a real recollection of those days. Most books on the subject are very over elaborated true events,
and full of complete fiction from the author and ghost writers heads.2 -
Would be surprised if we don't see an increase in arrests next season.
Leeds back in the Premier league.
Birmingham back in the Championship
Newcastle v Sunderland
Portsmouth v Southampton
Maybe even Millwall v Charlton too if we throw a couple more flares onto their pitch.0 -
Yep, it’s not their fault. Society (and in some cases women not wanting to sleep with them) makes them do it.Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.1 -
P.s. if the “rise of incels” has led to an increase in violence, why aren’t Crystal Palace at the top of the arrest league?Exiled_Addick said:Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.
There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem.12 -
Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write oneYTS1978 said:
You should do it!Baldybonce said:
I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.blackpool72 said:
Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.0 -
When we get our advance from the museum i'll do 60's and 70's you do up to present dayDA9 said:
Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write oneYTS1978 said:
You should do it!Baldybonce said:
I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.blackpool72 said:
Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.4 -
I remember AN (Everton) asked us to contribute to his A to Z book - i declined as its a lot of work. And you need people with a memory as wellDA9 said:
Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write oneYTS1978 said:
You should do it!Baldybonce said:
I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.blackpool72 said:
Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible.DA9 said:There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant.
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.
Half those books are the same and biased/full of it anyway IMO. Especially the Pompey one not mentioning us at all. Saw Goonerhater a couple of times last season - great top see him.2
