A couple of Village idiots who are the result of inbreeding would be my guess.
Carruthers is 32 and looks like an 22 year old who has lived in the woods like a feral dog and Daniel Graham 39 must've had a tough long paper round as he looks like a pensioner. Graham is going to play the Mental health card which is being used by so many to try to stay out of Jail.
A total insult to many who don't commit crimes when their mental health is at a low level.
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
Regarding the Toby Carvery (non)incident mentioned earlier in the thread; tragic stories like this one are part of the reasons why people can take perfectly legitimate, rational and calculated decisions to cut down trees.
t's not "murder" to cut down a tree, no matter what some nutters may try and tell you. But it could be negligence and corporate manslaughter if you don't take action when you're told something is unsafe and a terrible incident like that one then occurs. Truly tragic.
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
You won’t be paying for 4 years, they will be out in 2 or sooner when Labour needs more room in the prisons
I think sentences like these have to carry a detterent message. These two idiots are unlikely to do something similar again but now other idiots might think twice or even three times.
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
You won’t be paying for 4 years, they will be out in 2 or sooner when Labour needs more room in the prisons
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
You won’t be paying for 4 years, they will be out in 2 or sooner when Labour needs more room in the prisons
Or do you mean they will be out in 2 as per the actual guidelines
Nonces get fines, simpleton vandals get 4 years. Make it make sense. Personally, I would have given them about 1000 hours community service planting trees in the rain.
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
You won’t be paying for 4 years, they will be out in 2 or sooner when Labour needs more room in the prisons
Or do you mean they will be out in 2 as per the actual guidelines
That’s what I said and I quote “out in 2 or sooner……………..”
It’s a bit shitty what they did, but I think the sentences were extremely harsh
Yes the sentences are harsh and as a taxpayer, I'm thinking about how much we have to pay out to keep the buggers. That said, I expect vermin like that would probably be doing plenty of other stuff in four years to aggravate their local neighbourhood. Here's hoping that a stiff sentence is enough for them to want to turn their lives around.
You won’t be paying for 4 years, they will be out in 2 or sooner when Labour needs more room in the prisons
So we're doing this as a political discussion?
Do it as you like fella, I was responding to Stigs comment about the tax payers paying to keep these shit staines in prison.
Whilst appalled by their actions and a supporter of climate justice, I don't think the court of public opinion should influence sentencing, and from the reporting, I get the impression that's what's happened here. What next? State sanctioned vigilantism?
Meanwhile, youths carrying knives just get warnings/community service
It's more than that, it was an iconic symbol in a UNESCO World Heritage Site, as well as being an important habitat for wildlife. The sentence will hopefully act as a deterrent for other low life scumbags, who think it funny to damage something that has given so much pleasure to many people over the many years it has been there.
Whilst appalled by their actions and a supporter of climate justice, I don't think the court of public opinion should influence sentencing, and from the reporting, I get the impression that's what's happened here. What next? State sanctioned vigilantism?
of course public opinion should influence sentencing if something affronts the country (as long as its within agreed legislated limits), justice must not only be done, but also SEEN to be done. If they had been sentenced to a non- custodial punishment (or short term sentence) there would have been an outcry, the law would be seen to be ineffectual, and there would be no deterrence for future similar situations.
Whilst appalled by their actions and a supporter of climate justice, I don't think the court of public opinion should influence sentencing, and from the reporting, I get the impression that's what's happened here. What next? State sanctioned vigilantism?
Judges have to adhere to sentencing guidelines, that is what the judge did in this case.
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Carruthers is 32 and looks like an 22 year old who has lived in the woods like a feral dog and Daniel Graham 39 must've had a tough long paper round as he looks like a pensioner. Graham is going to play the Mental health card which is being used by so many to try to stay out of Jail.
A total insult to many who don't commit crimes when their mental health is at a low level.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gdr4el5vpo
t's not "murder" to cut down a tree, no matter what some nutters may try and tell you. But it could be negligence and corporate manslaughter if you don't take action when you're told something is unsafe and a terrible incident like that one then occurs. Truly tragic.
No sympathy from me
Make them plant trees, ceaselessly, for 4 years.
Meanwhile, youths carrying knives just get warnings/community service
”or” is the important word