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Club World Cup 2025 (32 teams)
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I imagine the temperatures are helping the South American sides (obviously they are very good teams as well), European teams aren't used to playing games in 32 degrees.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.0 -
4 out of 4 now after Fluminense's win overnight.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.0 -
Also helps that they're mid-season but Europe are at the end of a long season.stoneroses19 said:
I imagine the temperatures are helping the South American sides (obviously they are very good teams as well), European teams aren't used to playing games in 32 degrees.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.4 -
Fair point, but haven't European teams won the CWC 7 man tournament in hot countries?stoneroses19 said:
I imagine the temperatures are helping the South American sides (obviously they are very good teams as well), European teams aren't used to playing games in 32 degrees.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.
(I remember Liverpool/Bayen Munich won it in Qatar).0 -
Comes back to what Chris above says, the original CWC format happens mid-European seasonJustFloydRoad said:
Fair point, but haven't European teams won the CWC 7 man tournament in hot countries?stoneroses19 said:
I imagine the temperatures are helping the South American sides (obviously they are very good teams as well), European teams aren't used to playing games in 32 degrees.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.
(I remember Liverpool/Bayen Munich won it in Qatar).
For South America it happens at the end of the season.
Its worth remembering too that European Nations have only won two World Cup's outside of Europe
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I haven’t taken the slightest bit of interest in this tbh so apologies if this is a silly question but how did the clubs qualify? The top 2 in the premiership this year aren’t there ?0
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It’s the top performing clubs in their country/region since the last one. There are no Scottish teams at all.I haven’t taken the slightest bit of interest in this tbh so apologies if this is a silly question but how did the clubs qualify? The top 2 in the premiership this year aren’t there ?
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first time an MLS team have beaten a top european team in a competitive match .. I think there have only been 3 of them so far .. but Beckham thinks its newsworthyallez les addicks said:Botafogo. 25% possession. 4 shots (vs 16). 3 touches in the box (vs 32). 1 corner (vs 10).Score 1-0!0 -
*- does it matter if it is mid season or end of season?ForeverAddickted said:
Comes back to what Chris above says, the original CWC format happens mid-European seasonJustFloydRoad said:
Fair point, but haven't European teams won the CWC 7 man tournament in hot countries?stoneroses19 said:
I imagine the temperatures are helping the South American sides (obviously they are very good teams as well), European teams aren't used to playing games in 32 degrees.Chris_from_Sidcup said:3 Brazilian sides have played 2 matches so far, all of them are top of their group. They've been the undoubted success of the tournament so far.
(I remember Liverpool/Bayen Munich won it in Qatar).
For South America it happens at the end of the season.*
Its worth remembering too that European Nations have only won two World Cup's outside of Europe**
**- If I am right in thinking only 4 national teams have won World Cups (outside their continent).
Argentina winning in 2022 (against a European nation remember) makes it 2 from South America, two from Europe.
Interesting the CWC has never been hosted in Europe.0 - Sponsored links:
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And capped at two per nation0
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Brazilian clubs top 4 of the groups.MrOneLung said:And capped at two per nation0 -
Sorry I meant from UEFA’s allocation.Only two from each country unless they won the champions league0
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Atletico Madrid v Botafogo shaping up to be real tasty game. Some of the tackles are straight out of a 1970s play book0
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1970s kits are cool but the football was awful when you watch a whole game.
I've not watched this tournament but if I was betting I'd say a South American team
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Watching any game from before the pass back rule is painful.3
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One thing that is clear from the CWC so far is that fans of the South American nations are going to dominate the world cup next summer.
The best crowds and certainly the loudest fans have all been for the Brazilian and Argentinian sides.2 -
I wouldn’t be so sure it’ll be similar in terms of loud fans. Course, there are so many expats in the states that numbers will be full though.Chris_from_Sidcup said:One thing that is clear from the CWC so far is that fans of the South American nations are going to dominate the world cup next summer.
The best crowds and certainly the loudest fans have all been for the Brazilian and Argentinian sides.It’s loud for this, because Argentina and Brazil have a huge club culture (similar to here), so if you go to a club game in South America, it’ll be similar but national team games are nowhere near the atmosphere (similar to here). Plus the ‘mundial’ has always been huge for them - it’s their opportunity to beat the ‘big teams’ who steal their best players (and also the opportunity to beat the colonisers).
Then the other thing helping this tournament is that they probably have the ‘most appropriate’ South American teams for the benefit of the competition (unlike Chelsea for England) - eg it’s a genuine piece of shame for Palmeiras and Fluminense that they have never won a mundial, but their biggest rivals have previously won it (Corinthians and São Paulo, Flamengo and Vasco respectively) so their fans are well up for it in a ‘shut up the noisy neighbours’ type spirit. Or Botafogo having been relegated twice in the last 10 years but now being continental champions making their first appearance so their fans are just living a dream. Finally, Flamengo, Boca and River are all huge clubs with millions of fans, many of whom live in the US.0 -
Isn’t that a false measure though? I mean, the loudest fans in an empty stadium? It’s a bit like being voted “Classiest Scouser” or “Switzerland’s best sailor” or “Miss Thamesmead”Chris_from_Sidcup said:One thing that is clear from the CWC so far is that fans of the South American nations are going to dominate the world cup next summer.
The best crowds and certainly the loudest fans have all been for the Brazilian and Argentinian sides.
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Not sure, if anyone misses Thamesmead.lordromford said:
Isn’t that a false measure though? I mean, the loudest fans in an empty stadium? It’s a bit like being voted “Classiest Scouser” or “Switzerland’s best sailor” or “Miss Thamesmead”Chris_from_Sidcup said:One thing that is clear from the CWC so far is that fans of the South American nations are going to dominate the world cup next summer.
The best crowds and certainly the loudest fans have all been for the Brazilian and Argentinian sides.
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I lived in Thamesmead for 6 years and reckon I’d have been in with a chance of winning it.5
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Auckland City draw with Boca Juniors!!! Massively impressive from a team of part timers4
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Brilliant result for them, they earned £772k for that draw.
Last CWC with an amateur side though and likely to be the last time Auckland City ever participate. In future CWC tournaments the team from Oceania will be from the newly created Oceania Professional League which is due to start next year, and Auckland City have not applied for membership.
Auckland FC however have applied, which i don't think should be allowed as they already compete in the A-League which is part of the Asian confederation. To me that defeats the object of the new Oceania league.4 -
Interesting... Is this Oceania Professional League going to replace the OFC Champions League?Chris_from_Sidcup said:Brilliant result for them, they earned £772k for that draw.
Last CWC with an amateur side though and likely to be the last time Auckland City ever participate. In future CWC tournaments the team from Oceania will be from the newly created Oceania Professional League which is due to start next year, and Auckland City have not applied for membership.
Auckland FC however have applied, which i don't think should be allowed as they already compete in the A-League which is part of the Asian confederation. To me that defeats the object of the new Oceania league.
Or is it going to be an actual League, which is just a combination of countries from across the Pacific?
But yeah seems ridiculous that Auckland FC could have its foot in both camps.0 -
As far as i'm aware the OFC Champions league and domestic leagues will still remain, this is basically an additional league. Kind of like an OFC super league i guess.ForeverAddickted said:
Interesting... Is this Oceania Professional League going to replace the OFC Champions League?Chris_from_Sidcup said:Brilliant result for them, they earned £772k for that draw.
Last CWC with an amateur side though and likely to be the last time Auckland City ever participate. In future CWC tournaments the team from Oceania will be from the newly created Oceania Professional League which is due to start next year, and Auckland City have not applied for membership.
Auckland FC however have applied, which i don't think should be allowed as they already compete in the A-League which is part of the Asian confederation. To me that defeats the object of the new Oceania league.
Or is it going to be an actual League, which is just a combination of countries from across the Pacific?
But yeah seems ridiculous that Auckland FC could have its foot in both camps.1 -
Why is there a separate Oceania confederation? Is it really a continent separate from Asia? Seems even more ridiculous when, if it is a continent, but far the largest part of it plays in the Asian confederation.0
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Well yes, obviously.se9addick said:Why is there a separate Oceania confederation? Is it really a continent separate from Asia? Seems even more ridiculous when, if it is a continent, but far the largest part of it plays in the Asian confederation.
Australia used to be in the OFC but moved to Asia for more competitive games. I mean this is a team who in the same round of qualifying once won games 31-0 and 22-0 so it's not a surprise they asked to move. Plus the AFC back then wasn't even guaranteed a qualifying spot at the world cup.0 -
They'd also win those games by silly amounts, and then still fail to Qualify because like New Zealand in past years, they'd come up against a much stronger opponent from South America etc. in the Inter-Continental Play-Off, so regardless, their move to AFC was always going to increase their chances.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Well yes, obviously.se9addick said:Why is there a separate Oceania confederation? Is it really a continent separate from Asia? Seems even more ridiculous when, if it is a continent, but far the largest part of it plays in the Asian confederation.
Australia used to be in the OFC but moved to Asia for more competitive games. I mean this is a team who in the same round of qualifying once won games 31-0 and 22-0 so it's not a surprise they asked to move. Plus the AFC back then wasn't even guaranteed a qualifying spot at the world cup.0 -
They had a year off but it looks like Man City are back. Their squad this season is crazy.2
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Last 16:
Top half:
Palmeiras v Botafogo
Benfica v Chelsea
Inter Milan v Fluminense
Man City v Al Hilal
Bottom half:
PSG v Inter Miami
Flamengo v Bayern
Real Madrid v Juventus
Dortmund v Monterrey
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