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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    edited June 8
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    Mate I'm not being funny, but articles have been shared confirming player wages from the championship of multiple different clubs to use as a measuring stick. 

    Of all the clubs, none of them finished inside the top6, or close in some cases, and the other was relegated. We won't be spending near what those examples have. Tanganga for instance at Millwall is on at least 20k a week. That's fairly documented online.

    I've already covered that we probably didn't pay Tedic's wages. I specifically highlighted that as it inflated our wage figures on some sites for our weekly spend. 

    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. By how much I don't know but that's what looks likely.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED
    Braziliance said



    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. 
    I've probably come to terms with that already mate. I think Bowyers team was the same. At least this season NJ has had a good look at the squad without loan players.  
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    True. And Man utd and Spurs don't finish near the bottom of the Prem.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    Mate I'm not being funny, but articles have been shared confirming player wages from the championship of multiple different clubs to use as a measuring stick. 

    Of all the clubs, none of them finished inside the top6, or close in some cases, and the other was relegated. We won't be spending near what those examples have. Tanganga for instance at Millwall is on at least 20k a week. That's fairly documented online.

    I've already covered that we probably didn't pay Tedic's wages. I specifically highlighted that as it inflated our wage figures on some sites for our weekly spend. 

    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. By how much I don't know but that's what looks likely.
    It just isn’t though is it? Google Tanganga wages and all you get is people guessing, most of them guessing £35k which is rubbish. 

    Im not denying we’ll have a low budget and going up at the same time as Birmingham and Wrexham doesn’t help that but my point is there’s no point plucking out random numbers that are all guesswork. Going off official accounts makes much more sense but obviously that means working a year behind 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    orpingtonRED said:
    Braziliance said



    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. 
    I've probably come to terms with that already mate. I think Bowyers team was the same. At least this season NJ has had a good look at the squad without loan players.  
    To be honest that was a different level of pisstake that season. Extraordinary effort to take it to the last day.

    Been said a few times on here, but had we kept Cullen, Aribo, Bielik and the snake, with the addition of Lockyer, Gallagher, we would have easily stayed up. We done well to get some of the results we did that year.

    Unfortunately the league has got tougher though, that's the main difference then to now.
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    Mate I'm not being funny, but articles have been shared confirming player wages from the championship of multiple different clubs to use as a measuring stick. 

    Of all the clubs, none of them finished inside the top6, or close in some cases, and the other was relegated. We won't be spending near what those examples have. Tanganga for instance at Millwall is on at least 20k a week. That's fairly documented online.

    I've already covered that we probably didn't pay Tedic's wages. I specifically highlighted that as it inflated our wage figures on some sites for our weekly spend. 

    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. By how much I don't know but that's what looks likely.
    It just isn’t though is it? Google Tanganga wages and all you get is people guessing, most of them guessing £35k which is rubbish. 

    Im not denying we’ll have a low budget and going up at the same time as Birmingham and Wrexham doesn’t help that but my point is there’s no point plucking out random numbers that are all guesswork. Going off official accounts makes much more sense but obviously that means working a year behind 
    These aren't random numbers. Tanganga is on upwards of 20k a week minimum.

    At risk of going round in circles now. The main point is, we are massive underdogs, more so than I can ever remember, and the basis of this thread is we have just lost a player through wage demands. Let's hope that isn't a common theme. 👍🏻
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    Mate I'm not being funny, but articles have been shared confirming player wages from the championship of multiple different clubs to use as a measuring stick. 

    Of all the clubs, none of them finished inside the top6, or close in some cases, and the other was relegated. We won't be spending near what those examples have. Tanganga for instance at Millwall is on at least 20k a week. That's fairly documented online.

    I've already covered that we probably didn't pay Tedic's wages. I specifically highlighted that as it inflated our wage figures on some sites for our weekly spend. 

    It's highly likely that we will be the lowest spenders in the championship next season. By how much I don't know but that's what looks likely.
    It just isn’t though is it? Google Tanganga wages and all you get is people guessing, most of them guessing £35k which is rubbish. 

    Im not denying we’ll have a low budget and going up at the same time as Birmingham and Wrexham doesn’t help that but my point is there’s no point plucking out random numbers that are all guesswork. Going off official accounts makes much more sense but obviously that means working a year behind 
    Not a direct reply to your comment but how does anyone know what Wrexham’s budget will be? Parky himself joked with NJ that we will now be after the same players. May have been joking, may not have been but they will still find that they are now a smaller fish in a much bigger pond. Likewise no one knows what our budget is. NJ said we are not in the Championship just to make up the numbers and I’m sure that he feels we will have a budget of sufficient size to ensure we compete and progress accordingly. I don’t think the plan is to just survive or tread water.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
    Well that's not quite what I am saying. I am saying every season, 1 of the 3 teams that will go down from the championship will either be a newly promoted side, or, a side in the bottom 3 lowest budgets. I doubt you could find me an example otherwise in recent history. I've already looked back over a decade and that's been the case.

    It's not as dramatic as end the season now, we don't compete financially. It's an observation that the less money you spend, the higher the chance of relegation.

    We have just lost quite an important player through wages (he would have stayed if Preston didn't offer more) so now it's a case of how many times will this happen. 

    To make it clear, I don't mind we will likely be low spenders. I'll still be there every game and wanting us to win, it's just a talking point.


  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    Grapevine49 said:
    Just where are people getting these numbers from? I am sorry you really have to exercise some caution on these salary figures. Where and how are these people sourcing their data?

    Our Executive sought at different points through the season to position us as operating to the 4th - 6th largest budget in League 1 yet I stumbled across this random article assessing wages £ spent to points secured positioning our overall salary spend as very different.

    https://www.chad.co.uk/sport/football/this-alternative-league-one-table-shows-which-clubs-got-the-best-and-worst-value-for-money-last-season-heres-where-mansfield-town-charlton-athletic-reading-blackpool-and-the-rest-ranked-5019354?page=1

    The article specifies the data collation but are we any the wiser as to the source? These numbers appear to position our 2024/25 no where near the numbers being quoted for 2025/26 and our    last seasons spend behind Stockport, Wycombe, Bolton, Wrexham, Rotherham, Wigan, Birmingham, Bristol Rovers, Cambridge and Huddersfield - err it makes us 11th.

    If we dare add in regional cost of living comparison we could even rank on a par with Lincoln, Blackpool, Barnsley, Exeter, Northampton, Mansfield etc.,

    I have no idea as to veracity of this analysis.


    You don't need to throw caution at the figures posting. They're officially documented. 

    A league1 article on points per pound still wouldn't matter in this discussion about championship wages.

    The average championship wage is between £10,000 to £30,000 per player. It's hard to know an exact number because of loans, lower paid players, parachute payments etc, that is why the range is so wide.

    This ain't the 1980s, football has moved at a staggering pace the last 10 years with salaries. Even in 2015 or so Nottingam Forest as an example were paying some of their top players between 20-30k a week.

    Source: myself. Lived in the area, interviewed for a job at the City Ground and was told by staff there how much their top earners were on. Unless of course they were all lying as well on top of all the publicised season budgets.
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    edited June 8
    Grapevine49 said:
    Just where are people getting these numbers from? I am sorry you really have to exercise some caution on these salary figures. Where and how are these people sourcing their data?
    Mine are from the official accounts of those clubs for the 2023/24 season & are posted with the source. So people are using them as barometers for last season & the coming one.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin
    I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is. 
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
    Well that's not quite what I am saying. I am saying every season, 1 of the 3 teams that will go down from the championship will either be a newly promoted side, or, a side in the bottom 3 lowest budgets. I doubt you could find me an example otherwise in recent history. I've already looked back over a decade and that's been the case.

    It's not as dramatic as end the season now, we don't compete financially. It's an observation that the less money you spend, the higher the chance of relegation.

    We have just lost quite an important player through wages (he would have stayed if Preston didn't offer more) so now it's a case of how many times will this happen. 

    To make it clear, I don't mind we will likely be low spenders. I'll still be there every game and wanting us to win, it's just a talking point.


    This goes on the assumption that we didn’t have more money to offer Small instead of the idea that maybe we don’t think Small is worth what Preston did. If transfer gossip is to be believed we just beat a fellow Championship team to the signing of a player but no ones using that to say we’re paying more than Derby. It’s selective analysis based on one player moving 
    I would say it's completely different.

    We know for a fact that we offered Thierry a deal, as the club done an article on it, we know Thierry was offered more by Preston, as that's why he is there. Whether or not that's because we didn't want to match their offer, completely different conversation.

    On the subject of Sonny, we don't know Derby offered a contract, we have the word of a now unreliable journo, and the talk now seems to be, Sonny was agreed pre-promotion. Someone pointed out he watched the play-offs and was invested. 

    Two completely different scenarios. One we know for a fact we were competing with a championship club(s) the other we don't. 

    It's not selective analysis. I've even said I don't expect us to compete with Championship wages. 

    Now the point people seem to want to dispute is Championship wages which I can't get my head around as I thought it was fairly common knowledge how insane some of the players salaries in this leagues wages are. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance
    edited June 8
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
    Well that's not quite what I am saying. I am saying every season, 1 of the 3 teams that will go down from the championship will either be a newly promoted side, or, a side in the bottom 3 lowest budgets. I doubt you could find me an example otherwise in recent history. I've already looked back over a decade and that's been the case.

    It's not as dramatic as end the season now, we don't compete financially. It's an observation that the less money you spend, the higher the chance of relegation.

    We have just lost quite an important player through wages (he would have stayed if Preston didn't offer more) so now it's a case of how many times will this happen. 

    To make it clear, I don't mind we will likely be low spenders. I'll still be there every game and wanting us to win, it's just a talking point.


    We agree on this FWIW.

    I also agree with @fenaddick that we need more data before we can categorically say we will or we won’t be competitive on wages.

    One thing I do believe is that, if any team can outperform a smaller budget, Nathan Jones is the manager to do it.
    Without Nathan Jones we would be as good as down already imo. He's the perfect manager going into next season. 

    Siege mentality, tight group, small budget, underdog mindset (despite him saying we aren't here to make up numbers). No one else could do the job next season. 
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Stoke City have been spending c£30-35m to finish 16th, 17th and now 18th. 

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
    Well that's not quite what I am saying. I am saying every season, 1 of the 3 teams that will go down from the championship will either be a newly promoted side, or, a side in the bottom 3 lowest budgets. I doubt you could find me an example otherwise in recent history. I've already looked back over a decade and that's been the case.

    It's not as dramatic as end the season now, we don't compete financially. It's an observation that the less money you spend, the higher the chance of relegation.

    We have just lost quite an important player through wages (he would have stayed if Preston didn't offer more) so now it's a case of how many times will this happen. 

    To make it clear, I don't mind we will likely be low spenders. I'll still be there every game and wanting us to win, it's just a talking point.


    This goes on the assumption that we didn’t have more money to offer Small instead of the idea that maybe we don’t think Small is worth what Preston did. If transfer gossip is to be believed we just beat a fellow Championship team to the signing of a player but no ones using that to say we’re paying more than Derby. It’s selective analysis based on one player moving 
    I would say it's completely different.

    We know for a fact that we offered Thierry a deal, as the club done an article on it, we know Thierry was offered more by Preston, as that's why he is there. Whether or not that's because we didn't want to match their offer, completely different conversation.

    On the subject of Sonny, we don't know Derby offered a contract, we have the word of a now unreliable journo, and the talk now seems to be, Sonny was agreed pre-promotion. Someone pointed out he watched the play-offs and was invested. 

    Two completely different scenarios. One we know for a fact we were competing with a championship club(s) the other we don't. 

    It's not selective analysis. I've even said I don't expect us to compete with Championship wages. 

    Now the point people seem to want to dispute is Championship wages which I can't get my head around as I thought it was fairly common knowledge how insane some of the players salaries in this leagues wages are. 
    Just on the last point because we’ll go round in circles on the others, no one is disputing that Championship wages are mad and high. We’re just saying that any figures not from direct club accounts or reliable journalists are likely to be largely guesswork 
  • scabbyhorse
    scabbyhorse

    People look ready to burst a blood vessel and we haven’t even kicked a ball yet. If we don’t sign another soon, the men in white coats might beat any new player to the Valley.


  • aliwibble
    aliwibble
    The Red Robin said:
    I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is. 
    I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
  • Woodwork
    Woodwork
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Braziliance said:
    Callumcafc said:
    orpingtonRED said:
    Woodwork said:
    fenaddick said:
    No way we were paying all of Tedic’s wage, he may have been on 13k at City but I can’t see us having paid that much for him. If the figures are including things like that it’s even more inaccurate for the Champ as their loan players will be on really big wedge from PL clubs 
    That’s why I have shared the official accounts for Millwall, Preston, Cardiff City and QPR. Their official wage bills are all c£22-25m for 2023/24, so likely more last season.    
    Scary that 3 of them finished bottom half after spending £22m+
    Money is directionally helpful but it isn’t everything. Otherwise Portsmouth and Oxford likely get relegated last year.
    In League 1 this is the case, not the championship.  

    Ourselves, Oxford and Portsmouth will be the 3 lowest spenders. I would be stunned if at least one of us doesn't go down, that's just how it goes in this league. A smaller budget side always goes down, always. It was Plymouths turn last season, and some mismanagement caught up to Cardiff and Luton. It happened to them as it has many others. Hopefully that happens again for similar spending size clubs, Sheffield Wednesday looking like one of those and maybe Hull for the other.

    In League1 we were spending more than at least 18-20 teams every season. Next season at least 21-23 teams will be spending more than us.

    It's quite exciting actually going to all these aways knowing a draw isn't miserable. A draw away against Leicester will feel a lot sweeter than a draw vs Lincoln.
    What? If it wasn’t the case in the Championship we might as well relegate the three lowest spending teams now.

    I’d like to see an actual league table comparing money spent on wage to finishing position. The correlation is likely gets stronger the higher up the pyramid you go but it’s not R^2 = 1, even in the Premier League.
    Well that's not quite what I am saying. I am saying every season, 1 of the 3 teams that will go down from the championship will either be a newly promoted side, or, a side in the bottom 3 lowest budgets. I doubt you could find me an example otherwise in recent history. I've already looked back over a decade and that's been the case.

    It's not as dramatic as end the season now, we don't compete financially. It's an observation that the less money you spend, the higher the chance of relegation.

    We have just lost quite an important player through wages (he would have stayed if Preston didn't offer more) so now it's a case of how many times will this happen. 

    To make it clear, I don't mind we will likely be low spenders. I'll still be there every game and wanting us to win, it's just a talking point.


    This goes on the assumption that we didn’t have more money to offer Small instead of the idea that maybe we don’t think Small is worth what Preston did. If transfer gossip is to be believed we just beat a fellow Championship team to the signing of a player but no ones using that to say we’re paying more than Derby. It’s selective analysis based on one player moving 
    I would say it's completely different.

    We know for a fact that we offered Thierry a deal, as the club done an article on it, we know Thierry was offered more by Preston, as that's why he is there. Whether or not that's because we didn't want to match their offer, completely different conversation.

    On the subject of Sonny, we don't know Derby offered a contract, we have the word of a now unreliable journo, and the talk now seems to be, Sonny was agreed pre-promotion. Someone pointed out he watched the play-offs and was invested. 

    Two completely different scenarios. One we know for a fact we were competing with a championship club(s) the other we don't. 

    It's not selective analysis. I've even said I don't expect us to compete with Championship wages. 

    Now the point people seem to want to dispute is Championship wages which I can't get my head around as I thought it was fairly common knowledge how insane some of the players salaries in this leagues wages are. 
    Just on the last point because we’ll go round in circles on the others, no one is disputing that Championship wages are mad and high. We’re just saying that any figures not from direct club accounts or reliable journalists are likely to be largely guesswork 
    Tbf I linked the official accounts for a number of clubs from the 2023/24 season. As last season’s are not out yet. These actually suggest the websites that have educated guesses tend to underestimate. Eg Portsmouth’s official accounts confirm they were already spending £10.5m in League One on wages. 
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick
    aliwibble said:
    The Red Robin said:
    I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is. 
    I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
    Is this where I should, as they say in America, say: "Hold my beer"...?
  • CombeMartin
    CombeMartin
    Where do clubs like Oxford get the money from, their crowds are nowhere near ours !
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick
    CombeMartin said:
    Where do clubs like Oxford get the money from, their crowds are nowhere near ours !
    Gate receipts account for relatively little these days, they have rich owners and have done some decent recruitment I think

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