If you cherry pick the keepers then yes, in your view the best ones are conveniently 6'4 plus, but going on performance this season, Selz is one of them, and he doesn't fit your criteria of what makes a good keeper.
As for Mannion, I think he's been fine, the upgrade for me would be someone who is a good Championship keeper as a minimum
Yeah fair enough, you think Mannion is fine, I want Charlton to sign players that are more than fine. No more job doers.
If it wasn't for Lloyd Jones, I think we'd have conceded a lot more.
Mannion or AMB are back up at best imo if you want to be a championship side or a promotion league1 side.
I don't think I'm cherry picking either for what its worth, I checked Europe's most competitive leagues for shot stopping and those are the names and numbers that came back.
Why we wasting budget on a keeper unless ANB on his way .. Mannion a very good young number one
Good enough for league one. But we would be under a lot of pressure in the championship and will need better in that league.
That's my point, Mannion is fine for where we are in League 1, and the upgrade on him would need to be a Championship ready keeper, which was always the intention to get a No 1 in the summer, be it Walton or Hein, that didn't come off.
I'm not sure what Mannion's ceiling is, it's higher then AMBs which is mid table League 1
Shame we didn't consider Wickens last summer, as he was only just released then by Fulham (after he rejected a new deal)
Easy in hindsight I suppose.
Kind of signing we need to be making though - I'd hope we're scouting the younger players that PL clubs are letting go this summer given they'll be a lot of them that are not good enough for the PL but would be in the leagues below, and they'd be free.
Having a skim read of Lincoln views on Wickens and they’re not convinced in general.
I think we need a proven keeper. Like the lad at Exeter who went to Celtic but had won their player of the year.
Mannion is excellent in the air and coming to claim.
His shot stopping could be questioned but our defence has been so strong you could argue he hasn’t been tested much. Number 2 next season if we sign a quality number 1.
This reminds me of, I think it was "The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy", where they described genetically enhanced athletes being allowed, and goalkeepers that were just 24x8' blobs of flesh.
Why we wasting budget on a keeper unless ANB on his way .. Mannion a very good young number one
If NJ thinks we need one I think he’s shown we should trust his judgement.
We know he wanted another GK last summer. I expect he doesn’t rate AMB that highly, so a new number one and Mannion challenging would improve us.
Wickens signed a 4 year deal at Lincoln, but if true perhaps that included a clause and he’s affordable. He might also like the idea of coming back to London.
Having a skim read of Lincoln views on Wickens and they’re not convinced in general.
I think we need a proven keeper. Like the lad at Exeter who went to Celtic but had won their player of the year.
Mannion is excellent in the air and coming to claim.
His shot stopping could be questioned but our defence has been so strong you could argue he hasn’t been tested much. Number 2 next season if we sign a quality number 1.
From the stats looks like much of a muchness but his long kicking accuracy is somehow even worse than Mannion
I've said all along that I thought Mannion would be our future No. 1. He's just very young for a 'keeper. So, I've been advocating we sign an older, more experienced, No.1...
On that basis, signing another young ' keeper makes no sense.
And, I disagree. It's not JUST about height. Last year we signed, on a temporary basis, a 6'7" 'keeper. And I still remember the ironic cheers from the Covered End, when he eventually caught something. (Cast your mind back to the 2 CVPM games.) One of the best we've had in recent years was Ben Amos. And he wasn't that tall. Being tall means nothing if you don't have the courage to go in where the heads and boots are flying.
The defence need a brave 'keeper, who communicates well, who will risk taking a battering to clear out, and claim the ball...
and Matt Sels and Kepa who have been two of the best this season are 6'2, talent over height is what matters, otherwise Fraser Foster will still be a number one somewhere.
The keeper with the most saves in the prem is 6'5.
Ligue1: 6'4 La Liga: 6'4 Bundesliga: 6'4 Serie A: 6'7 Eredvisie: 6'4
I am not saying a keeper needs to be 6'4 plus to be good, but all the best form keepers right now are, unless they're part of a great defensive team, which is a whole different conversation.
The game is changing and people are simply getting taller. I genuinely think unless you're a special talent, you need to be around those height marks to be a top keeper.
I never feel comfortable with our goalies over the years as they just don't have enough presence. I think the last keeper we had that had that air of authority about him was Amos.
Most saves in the league simply means his defence ahead of him is dogshit, and his goal is being peppered, no? You need to look at save % and average xG of shots saved
Mannion’s shot stopping numbers are pretty poor. His distribution is also not great. We definitely need an upgrade there whatever league we are in, it’s probably the weakest position in our first choice 11
I couldn’t find out who he was but can someone find out who the young 6”6 American is who plays in Ireland. Rated highly by prem team…yet couldn’t find him. Don’t know if I’ve been told a bluff. Apparently palys CAM/Striker
I couldn’t find out who he was but can someone find out who the young 6”6 American is who plays in Ireland. Rated highly by prem team…yet couldn’t find him. Don’t know if I’ve been told a bluff. Apparently palys CAM/Striker
I couldn’t find out who he was but can someone find out who the young 6”6 American is who plays in Ireland. Rated highly by prem team…yet couldn’t find him. Don’t know if I’ve been told a bluff. Apparently palys CAM/Striker
Both AMB and Mannion are in the wrong quadrant here (sample for AMB a bit lower as less games)
So we should resign Dillon Phillips?
As a shot-stopper he is very good, as he was for us previously. He’s better than both our current keepers but I think we can maybe find a better all-round package
Both AMB and Mannion are in the wrong quadrant here (sample for AMB a bit lower as less games)
So we should resign Dillon Phillips?
As a shot-stopper he is very good, as he was for us previously. He’s better than both our current keepers but I think we can maybe find a better all-round package
Yeah good shot stopper, distribution not the best, which I suspect is why he's ended up back in this league. We could do a lot worse, but I feel like we could do better as well. Will always love the man for his role in our promotion season.
Josh Keeley at Orient (on loan from spurs) could be a good shout if we are in the championship
Yes... If we enjoy conceding from corners you mean
Donley is the Spurs loanee Id love if we go up, think he'd be the ideal alternative to Luke Berry in that role behind the Strikers, and has already been chased by the club (Didn't Scott veto a loan move in August?)
NJ was the one who vetoed the loan. Scott wanted him but Nathan didn’t want a loanee to block Karoys development unless a clear upgrade
Bit of an odd one as usually your technical director would be the one looking long term and the manager the one wanting to look short term. Probably shows how secure both of them were in their jobs this summer
Mannion is a calming presence and has come into his own in a few recent games relieving pressure by claiming crosses and balls into the box. He has solid kicking and distribution but, for me, his shot stopping has never totally convinced. I think AMB may well have saved at least one, maybe two, of Wrexham's goals on Saturday but he wouldn't have been so dominant in commanding his area and might have cost us goals in other games during this run-in. If we don't get promoted, I think Mannion is fine as a first choice in League One and the money might be better spent on improving our squad depth and adding more pace and creativity. If we get promoted, AMB should be moved on and we should be looking for an upgrade on Mannion.
and Matt Sels and Kepa who have been two of the best this season are 6'2, talent over height is what matters, otherwise Fraser Foster will still be a number one somewhere.
The keeper with the most saves in the prem is 6'5.
Ligue1: 6'4 La Liga: 6'4 Bundesliga: 6'4 Serie A: 6'7 Eredvisie: 6'4
I am not saying a keeper needs to be 6'4 plus to be good, but all the best form keepers right now are, unless they're part of a great defensive team, which is a whole different conversation.
The game is changing and people are simply getting taller. I genuinely think unless you're a special talent, you need to be around those height marks to be a top keeper.
I never feel comfortable with our goalies over the years as they just don't have enough presence. I think the last keeper we had that had that air of authority about him was Amos.
Most saves in the league simply means his defence ahead of him is dogshit, and his goal is being peppered, no? You need to look at save % and average xG of shots saved
The keeper that's number 1 for shots saved is Brentfords Flekken.
73.5% save rate (ranked 3rd behind Sanchez and Alisson)
Conceded 50 all season, not sure too much on Brentfords details and how much they concede per game compared to the rest of the league. It looks like they're ranked 11th.
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Easy in hindsight I suppose.
If it wasn't for Lloyd Jones, I think we'd have conceded a lot more.
Mannion or AMB are back up at best imo if you want to be a championship side or a promotion league1 side.
I don't think I'm cherry picking either for what its worth, I checked Europe's most competitive leagues for shot stopping and those are the names and numbers that came back.
But we would be under a lot of pressure in the championship and will need better in that league.
I'm not sure what Mannion's ceiling is, it's higher then AMBs which is mid table League 1
Number 2 next season if we sign a quality number 1.
Someone get on to NJ.
We know he wanted another GK last summer. I expect he doesn’t rate AMB that highly, so a new number one and Mannion challenging would improve us.
Wickens signed a 4 year deal at Lincoln, but if true perhaps that included a clause and he’s affordable. He might also like the idea of coming back to London.
Ex Fulham youth.
On that basis, signing another young ' keeper makes no sense.
And, I disagree. It's not JUST about height. Last year we signed, on a temporary basis, a 6'7" 'keeper. And I still remember the ironic cheers from the Covered End, when he eventually caught something. (Cast your mind back to the 2 CVPM games.) One of the best we've had in recent years was Ben Amos. And he wasn't that tall. Being tall means nothing if you don't have the courage to go in where the heads and boots are flying.
The defence need a brave 'keeper, who communicates well, who will risk taking a battering to clear out, and claim the ball...
Wikipedia says he’s a defender/midfielder but looks like Galway have been playing him up front.
Donley is the Spurs loanee Id love if we go up, think he'd be the ideal alternative to Luke Berry in that role behind the Strikers, and has already been chased by the club (Didn't Scott veto a loan move in August?)
73.5% save rate (ranked 3rd behind Sanchez and Alisson)
Conceded 50 all season, not sure too much on Brentfords details and how much they concede per game compared to the rest of the league. It looks like they're ranked 11th.