Bit of a joke that its taken so long, happened three years ago, and he pleaded Guilty so not sure why he's been allowed to play Football in the meantime?
Bit of a joke that its taken so long, happened three years ago, and he pleaded Guilty so not sure why he's been allowed to play Football in the meantime?
Surprised he hasn’t been immediately sacked?
“In a statement, Mansfield Town said it was "considering its position with regards to Lucas".”
Bit of a joke that its taken so long, happened three years ago, and he pleaded Guilty so not sure why he's been allowed to play Football in the meantime?
Surprised he hasn’t been immediately sacked?
“In a statement, Mansfield Town said it was "considering its position with regards to Lucas".”
I took that to be a sort of "well, obviously we're not going to be paying him while he's in prison, but we're working out whether there's a way to sue him for potential loss of a transfer fee..."
Bit of a joke that its taken so long, happened three years ago, and he pleaded Guilty so not sure why he's been allowed to play Football in the meantime?
Surprised he hasn’t been immediately sacked?
“In a statement, Mansfield Town said it was "considering its position with regards to Lucas".”
I took that to be a sort of "well, obviously we're not going to be paying him while he's in prison, but we're working out whether there's a way to sue him for potential loss of a transfer fee..."
I’m not sure there’s going to be much of a transfer fee lost out on an out of contract 35 year old!
Tragic. My commiserations to the family of Adrian Daniel. Only 33.
Cycling just isn't worth it with the stupid bellends that are a significant minority of drivers.
100%. A good friend of my daughter’s was killed by a van whilst cycling in central London this week. 24 years old. So glad none of my family have to do it.
Tragic. My commiserations to the family of Adrian Daniel. Only 33.
Cycling just isn't worth it with the stupid bellends that are a significant minority of drivers.
100%. A good friend of my daughter’s was killed by a van whilst cycling in central London this week. 24 years old. So glad none of my family have to do it.
Christ, that’s awful. A friend of my wife was killed in similar circumstances in London a few years ago. Utterly tragic. When I see parents cycling around with their kids on the back (or in those weird wheelbarrow things attached to the front of the bike) I’m always astonished.
Bit of a joke that its taken so long, happened three years ago, and he pleaded Guilty so not sure why he's been allowed to play Football in the meantime?
It seems that he didn't immediately plead guilty, thus dragging things out a bit Indeed he only pleaded guilty in March
Didn’t Nigel Clough play him after he’d pleaded guilty?
Yes he did a few hours after he had changed his verdict to guilty, its worth noting that he maintained his innocence util very recently hence why it took 3 years. It's very likely that he would have received a suspended sentence had he plead guilty straight away.
It's difficult to judge Mansfield or Clough in these circumstances as wouldn't have known he was going to change the plea (believe similar happened with Adam Johnson and Sunderland), also its not beyond the realms of possibility Clough played him without knowing he had changed his plea.
As comments above, I would never cycle or ride a motorbike. I've had far too many near misses in my car where other drivers aren't paying attention.
As of 2 months ago I was also a police officer and seen some shit.
On the way back from Barnsley recently I drove past a fatal road traffic collision involving a motor cyclist and it genuinely made me feel quite sick the whole drive home. Forgot about the late equaliser very quickly.
Take care to all the lifers out there who cycle and ride motorbikes. There really are some utterly shit drivers out there, and as you can see, there isn't much justice served if you do lose your life unfortunately.
A very good friend of mine who I holidayed with on bikes was killed by a driver who disobeyed rules at a roundabout. Not sure of the court result. I myself have gone over the bonnet of a car pulling out of a side road late at night, I had lights.
I'm not sure of the issues involved in the delay of the case, but three years for a moment of lack of concentration seems excessive for the incident, when crimes involving intent and violence are punished less severely.
A very good friend of mine who I holidayed with on bikes was killed by a driver who disobeyed rules at a roundabout. Not sure of the court result. I myself have gone over the bonnet of a car pulling out of a side road late at night, I had lights.
I'm not sure of the issues involved in the delay of the case, but three years for a moment of lack of concentration seems excessive for the incident, when crimes involving intent and violence are punished less severely.
No wonder our prisons are so full.
Your final sentence is unnecessary.
He's been given 14 months in prison. How long should someone go to prison for killing someone else (whether it was intent or lack of concentration as you put it)?
A very good friend of mine who I holidayed with on bikes was killed by a driver who disobeyed rules at a roundabout. Not sure of the court result. I myself have gone over the bonnet of a car pulling out of a side road late at night, I had lights.
I'm not sure of the issues involved in the delay of the case, but three years for a moment of lack of concentration seems excessive for the incident, when crimes involving intent and violence are punished less severely.
No wonder our prisons are so full.
Your final sentence is unnecessary.
He's been given 14 months in prison. How long should someone go to prison for killing someone else (whether it was intent or lack of concentration as you put it)?
I think those two comments probably would open another thread. You can add this weeks court case over the paddle boarding deaths to the tragic events already mentioned. What to do about it ? absolutely no clue, it just makes you think there but for the grace of God go I.
Fair play to the wife of the guy that died. She maintained that Akins shouldn't go to prison because one family was ruined as a result of this and it didn't need a second one to be ruined as well.
Our road networks are not set up for cyclists and offer little protection. However many careless drivers there are I see plenty of cyclists who don't follow the highway code - plenty of appalling behaviour on the roads, pavements etc.
That is incredibly gracious for the victims wife to say what she said. The duration since her husbands death might have something to do with it but still very gracious, I don’t think I'd have been.
Cycling is a funny one, in the main cyclists are just doing what the rest of us are doing and trying to just get about. What I will never understand is the stupid risks they take, they have zero protection. I personally do all I can to avoid any remotely busy road when I'm out as the standard of driving in this country has never been worse, and as a cyclist you must have trust that others who you are sharing road space with are capable of sharing roads pace with cyclists, are able to pay attention, not be dicking about with their phone, not have smoked a load of weed or been drinking and are in control of the vehicle because, worst case scenario, you aren't concentrating for whatever reason and end up ruining lives like this.
This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.
14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.
14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
Nobody is blaming the victim on here - they're simply pointing out there are plenty of unsafe cyclists out there as well.
I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?
Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?
This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.
14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
Nobody is blaming the victim on here - they're simply pointing out there are plenty of unsafe cyclists out there as well.
I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?
Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?
What, precisely, has you being 'sick to death' of cyclists doing things that irritate you got to do with somebody killing a cyclist because they weren't paying attention, then lying about it instead of pleading guilty straight away?
THIS is why cyclists get fucked off with drivers. You've been conned into thinking there's a 'war' going on, when in reality, one side of this 'war' is armed with harsh language and a bell and the other is armed with tanks.
And thats just it, by and large given how crowded our roads are, how little space there is its remarkable there are not more bad accidents. We generally remember the worst thing we see though. For example I see a cyclist jumping a red light and think he or she is an idiot, they are not giving themselves a chance and all the helmet cams in the world won't help them. Same for motorists but in their case I tend to put them in the selfish/ignorant category as well as falling into the stupid category as the car is really not the protective cage a lot of people believe it to be. So yeah, car will win v cyclist but it will not win v another vehicle, at best, a damaging draw.
What frustrates me is stupidity in both sides, even if as a driver you are not of the mind to look out for other road users, be they on bikes or behind a wheel, think about your insurance premium, the cost. And as a cyclist the thought if dying on a road under the wheels or over a bonnet is one I do not like. So think of that
Mrs Daniel, although criticising Akins for not pleading guilty immediately (which in itself is disgraceful), has said that she did not want him to go to jail. There is some logic to her charitable wishes for not wishing his actions to cause another family ongoing pain. If Adkins has a conscience then he will be constantly reminded of the day that he chose not to look left and right at a junction and the consequences of doing so. If he doesn't then I'm not sure prison will make much difference at all. The actual crime of causing death by careless or inconsiderate driving carries a sentence of anything from community service to four years imprisonment but I suspect that had he held his hands up the judge might have been a bit more lenient. I hope that when he comes out of prison he takes the opportunity to publicly warn others, especially fellow footballers, of the serious dangers of not driving with due care and attention.
Akins behaviour that day (he previously had a clean driving licence) in making that split second decision is a world away from those of Luke McCormick who drove "like a madman" at 90mph in returning to a mate's wedding and over the alcohol limit, killing two children and seriously injured others too and Lee Hughes who killed a man while driving drunk and then ran away from the scene. In getting in a car when over the limit and then driving way above the speed limit in that state were totally premeditated decisions. They deserved all they received.
14 months for taking a life is a disgrace, far too much credit was awarded for the guilty plea. If the culprit were worthy of clemency he would have saved the bereaved the prospect of a trial and pleaded guilty 3 years ago. "a moment's inattention" is precisely why punishments in cases like this have to be as harsh as the law allows There are no moments where inattention is excusable when we are at the wheel of a ton or more of metal The deceased was unable to avoid the culprit's vehicle because the culprit didn't care enough to look
The measure of the judge's intellect is in the 14 month sentence but just a 12 month driving ban.
This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.
14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
Make a lot of good points bar the last he informed the club he was pleading not guilty, the club (or any employer for that matter) could possibly be leaving themselves open to legal action by actively damaging someone's career before they've been found guilty. The only possible way he could be suspended is if the charge was related to his actual day to day role. The very basis of the law is innocent to proven guilty, if employers are just allowed to arbitrarily punish employees based on accusations (and thats exactly what a charging decision is) we start to damage the very essence of criminal justice in western civilisation.
Does that mean we will have unsavorily incidents or even people taking advantage of the system (like this case and i suspect the Adam Johnson case) ? Of course but its only a delay in judgement and punishment, also those unsavory incidents are a small price to pay for the very freedom we have.
This thread demonstrates a lot of why cyclists are in danger on the roads, drivers will always default to victim blaming and fail to take responsibility.
14 months for killing someone, will be out in 7. No wonder drivers have little sense of responsibility when they get in the cars, and it's the most vulnerable road users who pay the price.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
Make a lot of good points bar the last he informed the club he was pleading not guilty, the club (or any employer for that matter) could possibly be leaving themselves open to legal action by actively damaging someone's career before they've been found guilty. The only possible way he could be suspended is if the charge was related to his actual day to day role. The very basis of the law is innocent to proven guilty, if employers are just allowed to arbitrarily punish employees based on accusations (and thats exactly what a charging decision is) we start to damage the very essence of criminal justice in western civilisation.
Does that mean we will have unsavorily incidents or even people taking advantage of the system (like this case and i suspect the Adam Johnson case) ? Of course but its only a delay in judgement and punishment, also those unsavory incidents are a small price to pay for the very freedom we have.
Note that I only said that the club shouldn't play him, not that he shouldn't get paid.
Man City got in trouble with the Mendy case because they stopped paying him, not that they didn't play him.
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“In a statement, Mansfield Town said it was "considering its position with regards to Lucas".”
Cycling just isn't worth it with the stupid bellends that are a significant minority of drivers.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czx7g1nrnlgo
It's difficult to judge Mansfield or Clough in these circumstances as wouldn't have known he was going to change the plea (believe similar happened with Adam Johnson and Sunderland), also its not beyond the realms of possibility Clough played him without knowing he had changed his plea.
As comments above, I would never cycle or ride a motorbike. I've had far too many near misses in my car where other drivers aren't paying attention.
As of 2 months ago I was also a police officer and seen some shit.
On the way back from Barnsley recently I drove past a fatal road traffic collision involving a motor cyclist and it genuinely made me feel quite sick the whole drive home. Forgot about the late equaliser very quickly.
Take care to all the lifers out there who cycle and ride motorbikes. There really are some utterly shit drivers out there, and as you can see, there isn't much justice served if you do lose your life unfortunately.
I'm not sure of the issues involved in the delay of the case, but three years for a moment of lack of concentration seems excessive for the incident, when crimes involving intent and violence are punished less severely.
No wonder our prisons are so full.
Not sure i would be so forgiving.
Tragic waste of life in this case.
Cycling is a funny one, in the main cyclists are just doing what the rest of us are doing and trying to just get about. What I will never understand is the stupid risks they take, they have zero protection. I personally do all I can to avoid any remotely busy road when I'm out as the standard of driving in this country has never been worse, and as a cyclist you must have trust that others who you are sharing road space with are capable of sharing roads pace with cyclists, are able to pay attention, not be dicking about with their phone, not have smoked a load of weed or been drinking and are in control of the vehicle because, worst case scenario, you aren't concentrating for whatever reason and end up ruining lives like this.
High vis doesn't save lives, safe driving and decent infrastructure does.
Disgraceful from Mansfield that he continued to play after being charged. Some family club that.
I'm sick to death of cyclists jumping red lights, riding on pavements and cycling while looking at their phone. Presumably you're okay with this?
Not really clear why there are those cyclists who think the law doesn't apply to them?
THIS is why cyclists get fucked off with drivers. You've been conned into thinking there's a 'war' going on, when in reality, one side of this 'war' is armed with harsh language and a bell and the other is armed with tanks.
What frustrates me is stupidity in both sides, even if as a driver you are not of the mind to look out for other road users, be they on bikes or behind a wheel, think about your insurance premium, the cost. And as a cyclist the thought if dying on a road under the wheels or over a bonnet is one I do not like. So think of that
Akins behaviour that day (he previously had a clean driving licence) in making that split second decision is a world away from those of Luke McCormick who drove "like a madman" at 90mph in returning to a mate's wedding and over the alcohol limit, killing two children and seriously injured others too and Lee Hughes who killed a man while driving drunk and then ran away from the scene. In getting in a car when over the limit and then driving way above the speed limit in that state were totally premeditated decisions. They deserved all they received.
"a moment's inattention" is precisely why punishments in cases like this have to be as harsh as the law allows
There are no moments where inattention is excusable when we are at the wheel of a ton or more of metal
The deceased was unable to avoid the culprit's vehicle because the culprit didn't care enough to look
The measure of the judge's intellect is in the 14 month sentence but just a 12 month driving ban.
Does that mean we will have unsavorily incidents or even people taking advantage of the system (like this case and i suspect the Adam Johnson case) ? Of course but its only a delay in judgement and punishment, also those unsavory incidents are a small price to pay for the very freedom we have.
But now ? .. fuck him