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Speeding ticket advice
paulsturgess
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Hi All,
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?
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If you got the two tickets more than about ten miles apart, you won't have a leg to stand on. Just hand your keys in at the police station.0
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Here's a letter you might consider writing...[Your Name][Address][Postcode][Date]To Whom It May Concern,Subject: Request for Consideration of Two Speeding Offences as a Single OffenceNIPs Ref: [Insert Reference Numbers]I am writing in relation to two Notices of Intended Prosecution I received for alleged speeding offences which occurred on [Date] on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, timed at 14:23 and 14:26 respectively — just three minutes apart, on the same stretch of road and during the same uninterrupted journey.I respectfully request that you consider exercising discretion to treat these two notices as a single continuing offence, rather than two separate offences.The basis for this request is that both alleged offences occurred in immediate succession, on the same road, and there was no opportunity for me to be made aware of the first alleged offence or to alter my driving behaviour before the second occurred. This aligns with a principle recognised in R v Wheat [1921] 14 Cr App R 87, where the court accepted that two closely connected offences committed in quick succession during the same act should be regarded as a single offence.I fully accept responsibility for the speeding and do not seek to avoid the consequences entirely — only to request that the circumstances be considered fairly and proportionately in light of the very short interval and same-route nature of the offences.I appreciate your time in reviewing this matter and look forward to your response.Kind regards,[Your Name]---R. v Wheat set up the provoke that...
“Where two offences are committed in such close succession and in the course of the same transaction, they may be treated as one offence.”
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If I punch 2 people in the face within 3 minutes of each other, will that constitute one assault and one offence?
If so, I'll dig my list.....14 -
Decent letter, however firstly you state “alleged” offence then later you take responsibility for the offence.5
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what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.2
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I love this board.Chizz said:Here's a letter you might consider writing...[Your Name][Address][Postcode][Date]To Whom It May Concern,Subject: Request for Consideration of Two Speeding Offences as a Single OffenceNIPs Ref: [Insert Reference Numbers]I am writing in relation to two Notices of Intended Prosecution I received for alleged speeding offences which occurred on [Date] on the A14 in Cambridgeshire, timed at 14:23 and 14:26 respectively — just three minutes apart, on the same stretch of road and during the same uninterrupted journey.I respectfully request that you consider exercising discretion to treat these two notices as a single continuing offence, rather than two separate offences.The basis for this request is that both alleged offences occurred in immediate succession, on the same road, and there was no opportunity for me to be made aware of the first alleged offence or to alter my driving behaviour before the second occurred. This aligns with a principle recognised in R v Wheat [1921] 14 Cr App R 87, where the court accepted that two closely connected offences committed in quick succession during the same act should be regarded as a single offence.I fully accept responsibility for the speeding and do not seek to avoid the consequences entirely — only to request that the circumstances be considered fairly and proportionately in light of the very short interval and same-route nature of the offences.I appreciate your time in reviewing this matter and look forward to your response.Kind regards,[Your Name]---R. v Wheat set up the provoke that...“Where two offences are committed in such close succession and in the course of the same transaction, they may be treated as one offence.”
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Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.2 -
Out of interest did you get the offer of a speed awareness course or was that denied because they currently see it as 2 offences ?2
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You have nothing to lose by asking.3
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You were too drunk to realise you'd committed two offences.That might work.24
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Or he was going very very fast ! 😆AFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.1 -
In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apartAFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.1 -
Usually treated as two separate offences unless you appeal and can convince the court otherwise.paulsturgess said:Hi All,
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?0 -
"I promise I didn't slow down in-between the two"?cafcpolo said:
Usually treated as two separate offences unless you appeal and can convince the court otherwise.paulsturgess said:Hi All,
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?2 -
Love that comment, in otherwise just a waste of time, guilty until proven innocent...🙄paulsturgess said:Hi All,
it was an expensive away day to Mansfield for me last week...
I've received not one but two speeding tickets for my drive up on the A14 in Cambridgeshire. The two tickets were timed at 14:23 and 14:26... just 3 minutes apart.
I've done a bit of reading and spoken to a couple of solicitors who advised me that these should generally be considered as one ticket / a single offence as they were so close together, part of the same journey and on the same road etc. Essentially one speeding offence.
I've called the Police who verbally suggested otherwise.
I will put it in writing to them, but for the obvious reasons (keeping my points down, insurance costs, not having to pay 2 x fines (in that order)) I would really like to challenge this but nervous about formally appealing to court if the police stick to their guns, and also whether it's worth forking out a substantial sum for solicitors...
Just wondered if anyone else has had any similar experience or advice, before I go back to the police?0 -
When you're travelling at 142 mph these things will happen!AFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.0 -
What car do you have and what year is it ?
this could be pretty relevant. My car, like the ones before it constantly tells me what the speed limit is, it also alerts me as soon as I start exceeding it by 2 miles per hour. If yours does the same then the OB will know and your only 3 minute apart argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on.Next issue you might have is how clear and how frequent were the speed limit sign on the stretch of the road. I suspect there would have been at least two if there were two speed cameras in place to capture your transgressions. Missing a sign covered by overgrown vegetation might give you an excuse. Missing clear (multiple) signs sounds like it might be not paying due care and attention(?).
Out of interest, how fast were you going for each of the two offences and what was the speed limit ?0 -
If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.0
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Isn’t that speed an automatic ban ?Gribbo said:
In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apartAFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.0 -
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Handy if you can drive stick.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Isn’t that speed an automatic ban ?Gribbo said:
In a scenario where someone was doing 120 mph, could be 6 miles apartAFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.4 -
Which would be a far worse offence in the eyes of the law, if untrue.guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.0 -
Driving his Ferari at 140 mph maybe an issueAFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.0 -
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.3 -
.AFKABartram said:
Is it usual to have to traps so close to each other or has he been captured twice on the same average speed check section. If just 3 mins apart there’s a higher chance it’s the secondLargeAddick said:what you are saying is you broke the speed limit once but then decided you might as well do so again. And now you are having to face the consequences. Can’t see an issue myself.0 -
Yes, good letter but maybe show as much contrition as possible so remove 'alleged' and big up the learning your lesson bit promising to never speed again.guinnessaddick said:Decent letter, however firstly you state “alleged” offence then later you take responsibility for the offence.0 -
Chris Huhne, but also a Labour MP (just for balance).Kap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-470409124 -
If you appeal and lose you will not be able to pay the reduced fine for prompt payment.0
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Lib Dem former minister Chris HuhneKap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.0 -
Pretty sure there was a Labour MP who got her brother ro similar. They're all at it lolPrincessFiona said:
Lib Dem former minister Chris HuhneKap10 said:
Didn't a ToryMP get prison time for getting his wife to take his speeding offence?guinnessaddick said:If there were two of you in the car, you could say you stopped and swapped the driving.1
