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  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,989
    shine166 said:
    golfaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    Makes sense if you put home fans in there, not to leave it empty though. 
    We don't sell out the other 3 stands as it is so why would we want to start moving people from already partially filled stands 🤷‍♂️.
    Ah I dont not agree, just saying it would be good to have home fans in there. If the JS and cupboard were full of vocal home fans, The Valley would be very noisy.
    How will it be full of home fans. In the covered End upper not sold out. You are not going to get people like me moving from the upper west to sit behind the goal.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,989
    So how will they stop away fans moving to the seats in the middle of the stand. As any one who sits the west upper south end will tell you if the chose move across to the £600+ season ticket seats there is no one to stop them or any physical restriction.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,169
    edited March 23
    On reflection, this is all probably put out when Methven was around.

    Calm down everyone.
  • Powell2ThePeople
    Powell2ThePeople Posts: 386
    edited March 23
    se9addick said:
    9goalswentpastperry said:
    Powell2ThePeople said:
    addick19 said:
    pettgra said:
    I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
    No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
    I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'
    I agree with you both, never the home end, but I've been going since the late 70s and spent many a game in the JS stand.   When I was younger, on the East Terrace.  Then in my teens moved down to the clock.  

    But many games in the JS along the way.   In fact, the last I remember is against Leeds when Gordon Strachan was tearing us apart on the wing.  So that would have been after the return.  

    No recollection of the score that day, nor where the Leeds fans were, but can only assume they were in 1 half of JS, whether that be a top/bottom or an east/west split.   

    Bizarre to think that a team like Leeds didn't have the whole end though.   

    Which brings me on to another thought... Is it a false memory, or did away fans take up a block or 2 on the south side of the east on a few occasions? 
    That Leeds game would have been the cup replay in early 1993. They had the front sections of the Jimmy Seed and we had the back. The capacity was only 8,337 so we didn't have to give them the whole stand. In fact the 1,900 they did get was bloody generous. 

    It was either Brentford or Orient who had the East blocks in 2006, possibly they both did. Someone will remember definitively. 
    That must have been a nightmare to segregate?!
    I mean, I was there, but my fuzzy old brain can’t quite recall the exact mix.   

    But the divide between front and back of the JS stand has a quite generous walkway.  

    So must have been filled to the brim with plod, in the era when they just turned up inside grounds without thinking “hold up, why are we providing free security on private premises?”.  
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 429
    edited March 23
    Stupid idea! there is nothing worse than seeing an empty stand, if there are only a few hundred away fans so be it. Will it save any money really? Lets also be confident that we will be filling it in the Championship (hopefully!) and selling out the Valley for some matches. Whoever thought up this dumb idea needs a quiet word and to focus on filling the Valley for remaining fixtures of this season. With next Saturday being on TV with a 12.30 KO, a ticket offer would help to bring more fans. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,760
    Athletico Charlton said:
    golfaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    Makes sense if you put home fans in there, not to leave it empty though. 
    We don't sell out the other 3 stands as it is so why would we want to start moving people from already partially filled stands 🤷‍♂️.

    Move everyone from East to Jimmy Seed, close East.  Bigger stand = bigger savings.
    This isn’t so daft imo, as long as you promise the same prices for an equivalent seat in the West Stand. The avantages are:

    1. You see fewer empty seats on TV.

    2. You have home fans behind the goal





  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    msomerton said:
    shine166 said:
    golfaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    Makes sense if you put home fans in there, not to leave it empty though. 
    We don't sell out the other 3 stands as it is so why would we want to start moving people from already partially filled stands 🤷‍♂️.
    Ah I dont not agree, just saying it would be good to have home fans in there. If the JS and cupboard were full of vocal home fans, The Valley would be very noisy.
    How will it be full of home fans. In the covered End upper not sold out. You are not going to get people like me moving from the upper west to sit behind the goal.
    Full, half full or just 500 fans, makes more sense for home fans to be in the noisiest stand in the stadium, than away fans. You could always move along a few blocks and stay in the UW, if it was better for the atmosphere and performance i don't know why fans would be so against it. 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,902
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    edited March 23
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.

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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,746
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    No one will relocate to the JS though. So there will be no benefit to our atmosphere
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    edited March 23
    Croydon said:
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    No one will relocate to the JS though. So there will be no benefit to our atmosphere
    I mean that's pure gues work and obviously probably part of potential trials. If the JS was zone 3 priced I could see people moving over. I'd much rather stand there the the cupboard lower.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,902
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    I think you need to think that through. 

    If we get to the stage where we have enough home demand to take over the JS stand then potentially more will already be in the West Upper and then need moving. 

    I’m not ignoring the club statement. I’m reading the short term plan which sees no fans in the JS at all. 

    Long term won’t happen. If we get to the stage of increased demand then we will have sell out away support too. 


  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    edited March 23
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    I think you need to think that through. 

    If we get to the stage where we have enough home demand to take over the JS stand then potentially more will already be in the West Upper and then need moving. 

    I’m not ignoring the club statement. I’m reading the short term plan which sees no fans in the JS at all. 

    Long term won’t happen. If we get to the stage of increased demand then we will have sell out away support too. 


    Potentially yes, certainly no, I'm not sure the upper west would be the areas where all the returning fans decide to populate first... upper west barely has anyone in it until you get to zone L currently.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,989
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    If I move two blocks too my left the price f season ticket goes up by £130.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    msomerton said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    If I move two blocks too my left the price f season ticket goes up by £130.
    That's where the club would need to come to an agreement with fans, 2 further blocks you'd be paying the same as now, so you'd have the exact same view as now but from the other side of the halfway line. 
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,902
    Why anyone wants to defend this I cannot understand. 
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,989
    so they claim it as an experiment , to see if it is possible to house away fans in the west stand.
    That raises the question of would you do that with large attendances. How would the directors box feel about being surrounded by away fans.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    edited March 23
    valleynick66 said:
    Why anyone wants to defend this I cannot understand. 
    Just sharing thoughts, but if you read the words I type you might have half a chance of understanding someone else's angle.... just like I appreciate why people will be against it. 

  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,191
    msomerton said:
    so they claim it as an experiment , to see if it is possible to house away fans in the west stand.
    That raises the question of would you do that with large attendances. How would the directors box feel about being surrounded by away fans.
    They’re talking upper tier for away fans, directors box is lower 

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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,895
    iaitch said:
    MrOneLung said:
    iaitch said:
    Fumbluff said:
    addick19 said:
    pettgra said:
    I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
    No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
    I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'
    Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem. 
    Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷‍♂️
    98/99 was first season in the Premier.

    Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).
    I had season ticket for several years in the Jimmy Seed. 

    You were in there for just the opening home game and took the seats of the season ticket holders there because your seats were not ready. We were ‘compensated’ for missing that game with a free ticket for the league cup. 

    Still fuming that we were usurped from our seats for that first home game. 
    So if I lose my seat in the upper west you'll be happy, karma and all that?
    Where do I say that?
    just saying I was in the stand for a few years and was robbed of seeing us beat Southampton in our first premier league home game ever 

    I think it is a stupid idea
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,746
    edited March 23
    shine166 said:
    Croydon said:
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    No one will relocate to the JS though. So there will be no benefit to our atmosphere
    I mean that's pure gues work and obviously probably part of potential trials. If the JS was zone 3 priced I could see people moving over. I'd much rather stand there the the cupboard lower.
    The potential trials don't mention home fans going there at all, do they? The current question is JS open or closed, to which the answer is surely open.

    Even if it was home fans, I seriously doubt any significant number would relocate to the worst facilities in the ground, which are all open to the elements. Probably a couple of hundred max.


  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    edited March 23
    Croydon said:
    shine166 said:
    Croydon said:
    shine166 said:
    valleynick66 said:
    shine166 said:



    This is how populated blocks P&Q are for the Burton game, i know it's an inconvenience but those 50 or so fans could move along a block or 2 and barely notice the difference. 
    To what realistic end though?

    Less atmosphere for the away following and unhappy home supporters. 

    How much cash do you imagine this saves?
    Keep up, i do keep saying 'if' the JS had home fans moved (you must have read my last mention of it 1 post abobe what you quoted) into it as per the the statement released by the club... although people keep ignoring that part and just concentrate on the stand closing.

    If people can't move 50ft to the left for the good of OUR atmosphere that's upto them, although also as I've said I can see the inconvenience.
    No one will relocate to the JS though. So there will be no benefit to our atmosphere
    I mean that's pure gues work and obviously probably part of potential trials. If the JS was zone 3 priced I could see people moving over. I'd much rather stand there the the cupboard lower.
    The potential trials don't mention home fans going there at all, do they? That's just your view. The current question is JS open or closed, to which the answer is surely open.

    Even if it was home fans, I seriously doubt any significant number would relocate to the worst facilities in the ground, which are all open to the elements. Probably a couple of hundred max.


    My view is that it's written in paragraph 4 but people are either not reading that far or choosing to ignore it. 

    Maybe the kiosks are open air, but North Lower seats are pretty susceptible to a downpour too. 
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,243
    MrOneLung said:
    iaitch said:
    MrOneLung said:
    iaitch said:
    Fumbluff said:
    addick19 said:
    pettgra said:
    I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
    No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
    I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'
    Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem. 
    Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷‍♂️
    98/99 was first season in the Premier.

    Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).
    I had season ticket for several years in the Jimmy Seed. 

    You were in there for just the opening home game and took the seats of the season ticket holders there because your seats were not ready. We were ‘compensated’ for missing that game with a free ticket for the league cup. 

    Still fuming that we were usurped from our seats for that first home game. 
    So if I lose my seat in the upper west you'll be happy, karma and all that?
    Where do I say that?
    just saying I was in the stand for a few years and was robbed of seeing us beat Southampton in our first premier league home game ever 

    I think it is a stupid idea
    You don't say that but was wondering as you lost your seat in the JS possibly to me for one game then you'd be happy it's come full circle and I could potentially lose mine now?

    Doesn't sound you're like that though.

    I agree this idea hasn't been thought out and agree with the views on here.

    Surely having home and away fans in the same area could be a flashpoint, I know us west uppers aren't particularly volatile but you never know the trouble a flask and a tartan blanket could spark. So you could potentially needs more stewards and bang goes the apparent savings.

    The club should be trying to fill the three sides available for home fans with ticketing/pricing offers that would encourage people to attend.

    Leave away fans in the JS whether there's 50 or 3,000 of them, it's a self contained stand that can be segregated easily from home fans.




  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,989
    to use the upper west for away fans would mean putting a few hundred seats under a tarpaulin to stop away fans getting to the north end of the upper west, which includes the expensive seats on line with the center circle.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,284
    Covered End said:
    charltonbob said:
    ArmchairAddick said:
    I always think you should look at this in the "what if it was me" view.  If I was going to be stuffed up in a corner at an away game I wouldn't bother going. 

    I think the game atmosphere overall is going to suffer if you leave the Jimmy Seed empty.  Having people opposite to shout at is much more fun 😆

    Edit: shout not shoot 😜 although .....
    What if we get palarse in the cup ?
    Perhaps read the announcement before commenting?

    It was a jokey reference to ArmchairAddicks comment hence the bold highlight.

    Perhaps you should open your eyes before commenting ?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,749
    edited March 23
    A couple of practical points. Unless the police allowed home fans to enter via Harvey Gardens, the number of home fans that could enter the Jimmy Seed Stand is limited by the turnstiles at the Bartram Gate.

    i don’t think we have ever admitted the full capacity of that stand via Lansdowne Mews and with the narrowing of that access following the sell-off of land a decade plus ago I think you would have practical problems using it as an exit route for both stands.

    i am constantly surprised that people are able to park along Lansdowne Mews currently and drive along it as the crowd is leaving. 

    In practice this proposal is about leaving the JS stand empty but you would have resolve that for home usage. 

    Secondly I believe there is wheelchair provision in the JS Stand but not in the upper west. I suspect away fans with wheelchairs could be accommodated in home areas but that’s not ideal for them. No idea of take up but provision is obligatory.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,284
    edited March 23
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  • Hertsseasider
    Hertsseasider Posts: 420
    No thanks. The away end is great though the bar area does get a bit crowded. 
  • addick19
    addick19 Posts: 379
    Fumbluff said:
    addick19 said:
    pettgra said:
    I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
    No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
    I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'
    Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem. 
    Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷‍♂️
    That doesn't mean it was the 'home end.'

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