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Away fans housed in West Stand Upper - Testing in 25/26 season
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Hope not. That looks awfulsam3110 said:
As I said earlier the longer term plan may well be to remodel the JS stand, it's the easiest of the 4 sides to rebuild and will have scope to add corporate boxes (something we severely lack compared to many modern stadiums)Stig said:
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?sam3110 said:Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.
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Yes, although as far as I'm aware no existing ST holder was relocated. There's been a few younger people dotted around the quadrant - possibly University of Greenwich students on a special deal? - but really not very many at all. That said, numbers the picked up for the Wigan match, but then the numbers picked up everywhere!DOUCHER said:
did the 16-20 section ever actually happen? did anybody actually sit there?tallboy said:I'm one of those ST holders affected. My seats have a great view and whilst not rammed its still busy'ish on Saturday matchdays. I was set on renewing but this is making me reconsider. I'll renew if I'm able to relocate at the same price to another part of the West Upper (maybe nearer to the NW quadrant).
As goes the Jimmy Seed stand. I would love to see / hear Home fans in there. I really displike the idea of playing matches in a 3-sided ground however infrequently. Maybe the JS stand is a good place to relocate the 16-20 "Youth" section and also to offer slightly cheaper Adult home tickets to grow home attendances. Would really like to see safe standing for home fans installed in that part of the ground (but appreciate that the Clubs non ownership of the ground is a factor discouraging that happening).
Basically, I won't be happy if forced to decamp from my West Upper seat every so often and it will make me reconsider renewing.
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Not for a while. So why bother?Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.DOUCHER said:
Yes but I think that relates to the temporary trials as it goes on to talk about maybe putting home fans in therevalleynick66 said:
No it says:DOUCHER said:
No it doesn’t say that, it talks about home fans in there possibly - you’ve assumed it will be shutvalleynick66 said:
That’s isn’t the suggestion.DOUCHER said:
Not bothered for a few games really tbh and if it gives us flexibility to use the JS as well or give an extra area for away fans if they can sell extra then it makes sense - bothers me more seeing half full east and west standsvalleynick66 said:
Why would you want to see an empty stand ?DOUCHER said:
Yes but only when we play the minnows I think is what it’s saying - makes sense to meclive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
It means you move a few home supporters to accommodate a few away supporters to save a few quid.It’s nonsense. A true lose lose scenario.The stand will be fully closed.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Standand temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
No trial is really needed. It’s money saving at best.If you want to move there you will be in a small minority. .1 -
I've already responded to CAFC with the above points. Im not willing to pay for a seat that is available/unavailable. I'm waiting to get confirmation that I can relocate to seats in Upper West J. K or L sections at the same cost before renewing.Redrobo said:
It is a trial not a decision.tallboy said:I'm one of those ST holders affected. My seats have a great view and whilst not rammed its still busy'ish on Saturday matchdays. I was set on renewing but this is making me reconsider. I'll renew if I'm able to relocate at the same price to another part of the West Upper (maybe nearer to the NW quadrant).
As goes the Jimmy Seed stand. I would love to see / hear Home fans in there. I really displike the idea of playing matches in a 3-sided ground however infrequently. Maybe the JS stand is a good place to relocate the 16-20 "Youth" section and also to offer slightly cheaper Adult home tickets to grow home attendances. Would really like to see safe standing for home fans installed in that part of the ground (but appreciate that the Clubs non ownership of the ground is a factor discouraging that happening).
Basically, I won't be happy if forced to decamp from my West Upper seat every so often and it will make me reconsider renewing.
The letter to affected fans includes an invitation and a telephone number for those who wish to discuss how it affects them and it maybe a good idea to give them a call and explain your concerns.3 -
Relative peanuts and a complete loss of goodwill from away fans and the few displaced home fans. It will lose in the short medium and long term.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.It has zero credibility.5 -
Is this story a dead cat designed to distract us from something else?
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i don'tvalleynick66 said:
Not for a while. So why bother?Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.DOUCHER said:
Yes but I think that relates to the temporary trials as it goes on to talk about maybe putting home fans in therevalleynick66 said:
No it says:DOUCHER said:
No it doesn’t say that, it talks about home fans in there possibly - you’ve assumed it will be shutvalleynick66 said:
That’s isn’t the suggestion.DOUCHER said:
Not bothered for a few games really tbh and if it gives us flexibility to use the JS as well or give an extra area for away fans if they can sell extra then it makes sense - bothers me more seeing half full east and west standsvalleynick66 said:
Why would you want to see an empty stand ?DOUCHER said:
Yes but only when we play the minnows I think is what it’s saying - makes sense to meclive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
It means you move a few home supporters to accommodate a few away supporters to save a few quid.It’s nonsense. A true lose lose scenario.The stand will be fully closed.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Standand temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
No trial is really needed. It’s money saving at best.If you want to move there you will be in a small minority. .0 -
"and this might be something that we consider in the future as the club progresses - though of course no major steps will be taken without significant consultation and the input for the Charlton Advisory Board." Maybe the CAB could point out that it seems to be a cost saving exercise!0
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I think the 'trial' aspect of this is really about throwing the announcement out there, and seeing what the backlash is from the fan base, if any. The impact of that isn't something you can calculate to a high degree of accuracy beforehand.Airman Brown said:
I am not sure what you would learn from a trial that you can’t deduce from a desktop exercise if it’s about money. You don’t need to do it to understand the costs.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.2 -
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Increases ground capacity that does.1
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Croydon said:
Hope not. That looks awfulsam3110 said:
As I said earlier the longer term plan may well be to remodel the JS stand, it's the easiest of the 4 sides to rebuild and will have scope to add corporate boxes (something we severely lack compared to many modern stadiums)Stig said:
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?sam3110 said:Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.A long way from that happening, we'd have to have a sustained period in the top league before having ideas of this.We cannot sell boxes along the side, let alone behind the goal.2 -
Is this a trial or have the powers that be already decided what they're going to do.
TFL are an example of having a consultation but have already make a decision.0 -
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️4 -
Pretty inept way of gauging “customer” response, if so. But with the dubious benefit of being “free”.CAFCTrev said:
I think the 'trial' aspect of this is really about throwing the announcement out there, and seeing what the backlash is from the fan base, if any. The impact of that isn't something you can calculate to a high degree of accuracy beforehand.Airman Brown said:
I am not sure what you would learn from a trial that you can’t deduce from a desktop exercise if it’s about money. You don’t need to do it to understand the costs.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.0 -
Wonder what jobsworth thought this up.
Just as things going well in the club come up with a stupid idea that will get some/ many fans pissed off, only at Charlton!5 -
That’s not believable either.CAFCTrev said:
I think the 'trial' aspect of this is really about throwing the announcement out there, and seeing what the backlash is from the fan base, if any. The impact of that isn't something you can calculate to a high degree of accuracy beforehand.Airman Brown said:
I am not sure what you would learn from a trial that you can’t deduce from a desktop exercise if it’s about money. You don’t need to do it to understand the costs.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.We have a fans forum (or whatever it’s called), CAST etc etc and any number of measured ways of getting feedback.There is no surprise in the reaction on here instantly seeing it for what it is.Or maybe the surprise is those happy with it because they haven’t read it properly and think we have demand in this League or even the Championship to sell that end to home supporters.It could only make sense for one off games such as a play off semi final when we suddenly have excess demand.2 -
I assume a significant steward presence would be needed for any away fans in the Upper West, plus they would presumably tape off the front rows to keep away fans a distance from the media areas and not be above home fans.
Which all eats into the savings.0 -
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I’m not stupid and I don’t think the Club are either. You do the desktop as you call it looking at all the benefits and the associated costs and decide if it is worth pursuing. You would like to think you have covered everything and the theory stacks up.Airman Brown said:
I am not sure what you would learn from a trial that you can’t deduce from a desktop exercise if it’s about money. You don’t need to do it to understand the costs.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.
At some point you would then want to trial it to see if you have missed anything, ground safety, staff safety, reaction of the fans shunted out of their seats, etc etc, and then decide if is worth it and under what conditions. Costs can change quickly. More stewards needed, fans don’t want the seats offered and want an upgrade or refund.
If they didn’t think it worthwhile it would not have got to a trial.0 -
Dont shut a stand.It makes us look naffGet promoted to get better crowdsGimmicks and sh*t ideas are not welcome13
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98/99 was first season in the Premier.Fumbluff said:
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️
Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).0 -
2000/01 my season ticket was in the Seed. I think the West Ham game in 2001 (a 4 4 draw?) was the first game the Covered End upper tier was open and we left the Seed behind for good, or so we thought....iaitch said:
98/99 was first season in the Premier.Fumbluff said:
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️
Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).1 -
I think you have too much faith in the way the management make decisions. Safety isn’t decided on the day either. It has to be agreed by the SAG, which means the police. If they don’t agree it doesn’t happen.Redrobo said:
I’m not stupid and I don’t think the Club are either. You do the desktop as you call it looking at all the benefits and the associated costs and decide if it is worth pursuing. You would like to think you have covered everything and the theory stacks up.Airman Brown said:
I am not sure what you would learn from a trial that you can’t deduce from a desktop exercise if it’s about money. You don’t need to do it to understand the costs.Redrobo said:
Money dear boy, money.valleynick66 said:
Waste what waste?Redrobo said:I can’t see the argument against cutting waste and inefficiency and applaud the sense in testing the theory of having fans in that area.
Early rounds of Cup games seem an obvious time for instance.
If we can iron out issues who knows when the ability to utilise this area would be advantageous. When we have sold out the South stand for instance. For me we just get on with the testing and await the results.
I think one can reasonably conclude that the purpose of such an exercise is to test the theory that when an away Club are expected to bring only a few fans you can relocate them to the West Stand, which will ultimately save money by not opening the JS stand.
The trial may not be successful, but no harm in finding out.
At some point you would then want to trial it to see if you have missed anything, ground safety, staff safety, reaction of the fans shunted out of their seats, etc etc, and then decide if is worth it and under what conditions. Costs can change quickly. More stewards needed, fans don’t want the seats offered and want an upgrade or refund.
If they didn’t think it worthwhile it would not have got to a trial.1 -
This would have made most sense when League One had some really small teams in this division. A couple years back we were playing Forest Green, Morecambe, Accrington & Fleetwood & Burton. All those probably bought less than 200 each. Think every club has brought at least 500+ this season so probably already too many for the upper west section.0
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Incorrectiaitch said:
98/99 was first season in the Premier.Fumbluff said:
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️
Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).2 -
Yeah. From recollection the stand was segregated because the opposition were only entitled to 2,000 seats (10% of capacity) in 98/99.Fumbluff said:
Incorrectiaitch said:
98/99 was first season in the Premier.Fumbluff said:
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️
Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).2 -
Correct but it was for the whole first season 👍🏻Airman Brown said:
Yeah. From recollection the stand was segregated because the opposition were only entitled to 2,000 seats (10% of capacity) in 98/99.Fumbluff said:
Incorrectiaitch said:
98/99 was first season in the Premier.Fumbluff said:
Well it’s where my season ticket was for the first season in the Prem.addick19 said:
I've been going since 1965 and it's never been the 'home end.'pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.Maybe I went every week to support the other teams then 🤷♂️
Because the Upper West wasn't finished the home fans were accommodated the JS stand for one game only, I was there, (sound like Max Boyce boyo).0 -
Looks like it has a Sainsburys behind it.Croydon said:
Hope not. That looks awfulsam3110 said:
As I said earlier the longer term plan may well be to remodel the JS stand, it's the easiest of the 4 sides to rebuild and will have scope to add corporate boxes (something we severely lack compared to many modern stadiums)Stig said:
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?sam3110 said:Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.1
