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MATCH THREAD ( +post p26): CAFC V Leyton Orient : Vertu Trophy RD 2 : Tues 10th Dec 2024 : KO 19:00

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  • robroy
    robroy Posts: 4,443
    edited December 2024
    Totally forgot we were playing, just seen the result and read the comments. So pleased I missed it, make it end. 
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,371
    Darty Valiant said:
    Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are. 
    We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
    Rubbish Darty.... We ain't that good!
  • Ted\'s Addicksson
    Ted\'s Addicksson Posts: 555
    edited December 2024
    Wow, there was me thinking that we had run out of ways of how to fashion a defeat, then, right at the end we did it convincingly.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,075
    edited December 2024
    Why is NJ living off that Southampton League Cup win he had against Man City? Completely irrelevant to tonight. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,687
    carly burn said:
    What he's done to Small should be a sackable offence on its own!
     Eh ?  Small had a good game. Put a number I'd good crosses into the box & about the only player willing to take on a defender. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,598
    golfaddick said:
    carly burn said:
    What he's done to Small should be a sackable offence on its own!
     Eh ?  Small had a good game. Put a number I'd good crosses into the box & about the only player willing to take on a defender. 
    Yeah he was looking like the Small from last season tonight as too often previously this season he's looked poor.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,922
    Darty Valiant said:
    Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are. 
    We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
    We have a budget Crawley and Orient can only dream of though. That surely should show on the pitch?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,598
    killerandflash said:
    Darty Valiant said:
    Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are. 
    We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
    We have a budget Crawley and Orient can only dream of though. That surely should show on the pitch?
    Not if you dont get your Recruitment right in the first place
  • DaisyEdwards
    DaisyEdwards Posts: 123
    For a very long time it has been a joyless experience following Charlton. No excitement, no fun, just a boring , energy sapping waste of time and money. Enough is enough. The boycott starts now. Let's see how the owners, smt and Jones respond when absolutely no one turns up, home or away. We can force the issue with our absence. 

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  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,004
    At least Jones isn’t fluffing the pillow. Ominous when a manager sounds that downbeat though and defeatist. I wonder if conversations are being had?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,384
    edited December 2024
    How many times this season has he said we were so far off it...? Lost count
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,279
    Arsenetatters said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    We have a triple substitution coming up

    orgasmic times

  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,276
    Darty Valiant said:
    Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are. 
    We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
    Not wishing to disturb your party but the whole reason to support any football club is to see them progress, from the youngsters through to the first team. If Derby, Oxford. Portsmouth and Ipswich, similar sized clubs had followed your mantra then they would be languishing where we are, they didn't and that's because the made progressive choices, there is enough in this squad to do a lot better and with a few correct additions and departures, give it a go, it's down to the manager that we are not doing that.   
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,004
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ForeverAddickted said:

    NJ: "We were really poor. We were nowhere near good enough on any area of the pitch." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Thierry was good first-half. Josh Laq, for his full debit was excellent. Matty Godden showed glimpses. But apart from that, poor all over." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I can't remember [being carved open as much as that]. With the greatest of respect, I've played against Man City and they didn't have a shot on target. To have 16, 17 shots against you against, with the greatest of respect, Leyton Orient, it's baffling."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "But we made nine changes. A lot of players who haven't played. Potts, REG. People who haven't played. That showed tonight because we were so far off it."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Every time we turned the ball over they looked like they could score. Whether that was desire, structure, athleticism, we were so far off tonight. We are statistically the best side in the league, defensively, but you never would have thought that tonight." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I've learned a lot tonight. The squad I've inherited, players I've inherited that, you know, you can't change everything overnight. That's proved today. I've learned a lot tonight."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024
    Statistically the best defensive side in the league!? What players did he inherit there? 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,598
    Valley11 said:
    At least Jones isn’t fluffing the pillow. Ominous when a manager sounds that downbeat though and defeatist. I wonder if conversations are being had?
    What I cant understand is the fact (others have said it already), is the fact that we looked as though we'd started to turn the corner against Burton and then Walsall - A week and a half is a long time in Football, and in the three games since we've looked pretty average, although I cant talk for the Lincoln game as didnt get to see it.

    For all the talk of "he's lost the dressing room" it doesnt make sense for that to have happened so quickly after those two mentioned performances, even Exeter and Huddersfield before that, the results werent great, but we had the chances to win or at the very least draw them, it just so happened that players didnt take their chances.
  • BFG94
    BFG94 Posts: 457
    What annoys me most is that I’ll turn up at The Valley on Saturday full of optimism but knowing in reality I am going to be served up with another pile of shite. 
    Really is depressing. 
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,197
    Bailey said:
    Darty Valiant said:
    Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are. 
    We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
    Not wishing to disturb your party but the whole reason to support any football club is to see them progress, from the youngsters through to the first team. If Derby, Oxford. Portsmouth and Ipswich, similar sized clubs had followed your mantra then they would be languishing where we are, they didn't and that's because the made progressive choices, there is enough in this squad to do a lot better and with a few correct additions and departures, give it a go, it's down to the manager that we are not doing that.   
    So we agree NJ is shite and needs to go?

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  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,979
    Valley11 said:
    At least Jones isn’t fluffing the pillow. Ominous when a manager sounds that downbeat though and defeatist. I wonder if conversations are being had?
    I really hope so. And I hope they include the words 'off you fuck'

  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,743
    Our players are better than this, I'm certain.

    The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....

    But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ. 

    Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.

    The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.

    And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.  

    Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.

    But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement. 

    Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ? 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,598
    CL_Phantom said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ForeverAddickted said:

    NJ: "We were really poor. We were nowhere near good enough on any area of the pitch." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Thierry was good first-half. Josh Laq, for his full debit was excellent. Matty Godden showed glimpses. But apart from that, poor all over." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I can't remember [being carved open as much as that]. With the greatest of respect, I've played against Man City and they didn't have a shot on target. To have 16, 17 shots against you against, with the greatest of respect, Leyton Orient, it's baffling."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "But we made nine changes. A lot of players who haven't played. Potts, REG. People who haven't played. That showed tonight because we were so far off it."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Every time we turned the ball over they looked like they could score. Whether that was desire, structure, athleticism, we were so far off tonight. We are statistically the best side in the league, defensively, but you never would have thought that tonight." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I've learned a lot tonight. The squad I've inherited, players I've inherited that, you know, you can't change everything overnight. That's proved today. I've learned a lot tonight."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024


    Interesting if that's meant in a negative sense.

    From the starting 11 only AMB, REG Edun and Leaburn were Inherited players - 4  With Taylor, Gillesphey TC and Kanu coming on later in the game.


    Yeah and in reality, AMB (he couldnt really do much) and Edun didnt have bad evenings!!
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,687
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ForeverAddickted said:

    NJ: "We were really poor. We were nowhere near good enough on any area of the pitch." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Thierry was good first-half. Josh Laq, for his full debit was excellent. Matty Godden showed glimpses. But apart from that, poor all over." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I can't remember [being carved open as much as that]. With the greatest of respect, I've played against Man City and they didn't have a shot on target. To have 16, 17 shots against you against, with the greatest of respect, Leyton Orient, it's baffling."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "But we made nine changes. A lot of players who haven't played. Potts, REG. People who haven't played. That showed tonight because we were so far off it."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "Every time we turned the ball over they looked like they could score. Whether that was desire, structure, athleticism, we were so far off tonight. We are statistically the best side in the league, defensively, but you never would have thought that tonight." #cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024

    NJ: "I've learned a lot tonight. The squad I've inherited, players I've inherited that, you know, you can't change everything overnight. That's proved today. I've learned a lot tonight."#cafc

    — Louis Mendez (@LouisMend) December 10, 2024
    I will say this again. No point being good defensively if you are crap going forward. League one defenders are always going to make mistakes so trying to win by keeping clean sheets is just folly.

    I keep saying it......you have to score goals to win games. Defences dont win titles.....scoring goals do. 
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,217
    We can now concentrate on the league…🥸???
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,709
    edited December 2024
    Arsenetatters said:
    eastterrace6168 said:
    Tonight is an all time low for me, how much more can we take before the protests start, must be very near.

    But what good would protests be? We spent years protesting to get Roland out, in very inventive and differrent ways, yet he's still 'here'. What good would protests do now?
    Don't know Arsentat's, wasn't advocating them just predicting them, as we can all see we are on a very slippery slope with no end in sight...guess we are just accepting the inevitable without some sort of fight...🤷‍♂️
  • NorthheathAddick
    NorthheathAddick Posts: 4,027
    The Prince-e-Paul said:
    To be blaming the result on "the squad I inherited" is a bit strange when they are almost all his picks. 
    IF n it’s a big IF…if he hadn’t lost the changing room I would certainly say he has now…🫣
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,113
    I’m in my 59th year of supporting Charlton and I have never felt so detached from the club than I do now. Can’t be bothered any more. Don’t care. 
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,648
    Slept through the whole game. Woke up to see the Leyton Os two goals. Now we can focus on the league.

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