Former ref David Coote - charged with possession of CSA material (p14)

Oh ffs !! 

AndyG said:

Oh ffs !! 

Any minute now a mod is going to put the dreaded “thread closed” sign up and I’m not going to find out the outcome for Mr Coote !

to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!

I've tried to keep to the thread topic which is very serious one, others haven't added anything sensible to the debate, other than make childish comments.

ME14addick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

MrOneLung said:

@ME14addick

Just to change tack, have you ever gone 33 in a 30mph zone or accidentally creeped over 70 on the motorway? 

It is illegal but not the same as doing 70 in a 30 zone

no one is saying breaking the speed limit is a ‘good thing’ but most people will accept the odd discretion. 

She's still not answered the question.

I'm not playing your silly games.

So you have broken the limit.

ElfsborgAddick said:

ME14addick said:

ElfsborgAddick said:

MrOneLung said:

@ME14addick

Just to change tack, have you ever gone 33 in a 30mph zone or accidentally creeped over 70 on the motorway? 

It is illegal but not the same as doing 70 in a 30 zone

no one is saying breaking the speed limit is a ‘good thing’ but most people will accept the odd discretion. 

She's still not answered the question.

I'm not playing your silly games.

So you have broken the limit.

You are well aware that by answering this, I will be accused of derailing the thread.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

ME14addick said:

AndyG said:

Oh ffs !! 

Any minute now a mod is going to put the dreaded “thread closed” sign up and I’m not going to find out the outcome for Mr Coote !

to the mods when you do can you please consider the reasons behind your actions when people have tried VERY hard to keep on thread !!!

I've tried to keep to the thread topic which is very serious one, others haven't added anything sensible to the debate, other than make childish comments.

So because you don’t agree, it’s not sensible? This is a topic I’m extremely well read on and my position is one I took before I’d even smoked a cigarette after reading ‘high society’ by Ben Elton, which left a young teenage me confused as to how anyone could think this is a workable solution. 

If you’re in anyway interested as to what an utter failure America’s was on drugs has been read The New Jim Crowe, by Michelle Alexander who is a legal scholar and book references tons of academic studies, so absolutely sensible. 

The simple fact is you will never take away the demand, no matter how authoritarian a government goes, so does is not make more sense to make it safer and not end people’s lives for getting caught with possession quantities? 

Disagree with that, fine, we’re all entitled to our opinions, often based on the lives we’ve lived, but suggest an opposing view can’t be sensible, is simply insulting. 

I wasn't referring to your post, there have been a few comments by others that were not on topic and most likely posted to draw a response, they know who they are.

BR7_addick said:

I completely disagree with ME’s position.  But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.  

ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say.  That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life.  In short, you’re being a bit dramatic.  And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍 

I think you've posted a very reasonable, helpful rebuttal to some of the comments @ME14addick has made, and for that, you should be congratulated.  (So many seem to find it difficult to disagree agreeably).  

But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.  

There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period. 

So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.  

So, I think there are two issues.  First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder.  For some, those odds aren't great.  

Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users.  That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.  

Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone. 

Chizz said:

BR7_addick said:

I completely disagree with ME’s position.  But at the same time there is a little bit of a “pile on”.  

ME, to make a genuine point, and I think this is what many are perhaps trying to say.  That for every 1 cocaine user who’s ruined his life there is probably a 100 that do it from time to time and live a perfectly functional and healthy life.  In short, you’re being a bit dramatic.  And I’m genuinely trying to be nice here no “pile on” intended 👍 

I think you've posted a very reasonable, helpful rebuttal to some of the comments @ME14addick has made, and for that, you should be congratulated.  (So many seem to find it difficult to disagree agreeably).  

But I would take issue with your wild suggestion that one hundred times as many people live a perfectly functional and healthy life for every life ruined by cocaine addiction.  

There are reliably-gathered estimates that one person in six who tries cocaine goes on to develop a Cocaine User Disorder - a pattern of cocaine use that leads to significant impairment or distress over a 12-month period. 

So, rather than your 1% figure, the significant figure is in the region of 16%-17%.  

So, I think there are two issues.  First is the likelihood (one in six) of progressing from "trying" or "experimenting" to developing a chronic mental disorder.  For some, those odds aren't great.  

Second is the destructive issues caused by six in six users.  That is, for every person using cocaine, there's a trail of illegal activity, dealers, smugglers and violent criminals.  

Everyone taking illegal drugs contributes to the violent, dangerous ecosystem that affects everyone. 

Yes, I’m sure every recreational user is entirely honest when polled on the topic. 

Those numbers are basically guesses. 

Alwaysneil said:

I kinda agree with this. Having just spent 2 weeks in the US (Chicago and NY) where cannabis is legal in both cities, what surprised me was that staff seemed to think it was ok to be popping out of work and having a joint. 

For example porters and desk staff at the hotel at 6am. 

If it is not acceptable ti be having a glass of wine in a job at that (or another time) it shouldn't be ok to smoke weed either. 

Same in Vegas (although of course i appreciate it's Vegas). As soon as you take a step outside anywhere, you can pretty much smell weed immediately.

ValleyGary said:

oohaahmortimer said:

Off_it said:

bolloxbolder said:

Just caught up with this thread.. Where are the mods.? A thread totally ruined by the same old people.

They're all out the back queuing up for the cubicle, for some reason.

Don’t , on the rare occasion I needed to do a dump when out and the fucking cubicles are being used by punters who want a sniff it would wind me up no end ffs 

Who’s gonna wanna sniff your shit?!!!!

Strange as it may seem, there are people out there who would do it at the drop of a hat and would also be prepared to pay for the (erm), privilege! 😵‍💫

The Football Association says it is investigating an allegation that referee David Coote discussed giving a yellow card with a fan before a Championship match. 

BBC Coote Watch

fenaddick said:

He's actually come out and denied that one which suggests there's no defence of the two videos

I guess there's a big difference between the two - earlier stuff is only likely to get you sacked (the Klopp stuff and alleged drug use), but colluding on betting could be jail time, look at the Pakistan cricket no ball scandal outcome.

Coote gets boot

A straight red, not even a yellow.

Seems  a remarkably quick investigation by Football standards. Quite refreshing.