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Football Manager 2024

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,754
    FM24 will be free from the Epic Games store for one week starting on September 5th.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    What an almighty cock up this has been, surely no one will buy it if it comes out it March? 

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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,970
    May as well patch FM24 then wait till FM26
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    ValleyGary said:
    May as well patch FM24 then wait till FM26
    They won't do it though because they're clinging to the idea people will buy it
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,754
    edited October 2024
    It’s not good news but I would 100% rather it be this way than they rush out a really bad game next month. If they do that they might never recover from it.


    There are already unofficial patches out there - I expect that the FM community will work full force on a proper updated database that will be out fairly soon and tide people over until the spring. Or even until FM26.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,364
    I remember the same happening with CM4. That was a bug filled mess, but no doubt they’ve grown and learnt a lot in the 21/22 years since.

    It’s not great but hopefully it comes out in a very good state in March.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    Agreed it's much better to wait than put out a subpar product, I just think why not wait an extra 6 months rather than try to get people to buy the game twice in 6 months
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,238
    Yeah if I was them I'd shelve 25 and focus on 26
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,068
    Publishers get criticised if they release a buggy product so makes sense to delay. 
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,521
    Yep can’t see the point in releasing it in March. Might as well focus on 26 and release that earlier than normal.

    I’ve always found it a little weird that they release it in November.
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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    There's an argument for it not being a yearly game but every 2/3 years with squad updates either free or for £10 or so each year. In essence the game is just a database, to come up with new features each year is unrealistic. I know this change is more complex but if they hadn't had to put work into FM24 (which is basically FM23 anyway) then this might have been avoided.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,364
    fenaddick said:
    There's an argument for it not being a yearly game but every 2/3 years with squad updates either free or for £10 or so each year. In essence the game is just a database, to come up with new features each year is unrealistic. I know this change is more complex but if they hadn't had to put work into FM24 (which is basically FM23 anyway) then this might have been avoided.
    That’s a lot of income they’d miss out on, don’t see how they’d survive without an annual release at full price.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    Scoham said:
    fenaddick said:
    There's an argument for it not being a yearly game but every 2/3 years with squad updates either free or for £10 or so each year. In essence the game is just a database, to come up with new features each year is unrealistic. I know this change is more complex but if they hadn't had to put work into FM24 (which is basically FM23 anyway) then this might have been avoided.
    That’s a lot of income they’d miss out on, don’t see how they’d survive without an annual release at full price.
    Possibly, the game would have to be more expensive but I think people would be willing to pay more if it lasted longer
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    I guess another option for this current predicament is charge full price for 25 but that gives you a discount for 26. The fact they're cracking on suggests they're in somewhat of a financial hole
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,158
    They've also taken a lot of preorders and will have figured that money into future costs. Feels a bit like they'll release a still weak product in March to fulfill orders and then be late on the next one. I wonder if they're contractually obliged to release a game every year
  • Huskaris
    Huskaris Posts: 9,842
    Surely they won't have the time for FM26 to be much more than a data update?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    Following the announcement of the delay to FM25 many of you have called for an official FM24 update with season 202425 data This is something we have been exploring since the initial internal conversation about postponing the games releaseHaving now scoped the work that would be required and despite a good initial response from many of our licensors we cannot lift assets that we are using in FM25 and make them work in FM24 without recreating them in full The same applies to the many competition rules translations and database changes that cannot be back ported The updated assets and data would both be required to obtain licensor approval they cannot be separated This is a substantial undertaking which would take critical resources away from delivering FM25 to the highest possible quality which we simply cannot compromise onIf you have pre-purchased FM25 and wish to seek a refund then please contact your retailerWe sincerely thank you for your patience
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,238
    I truly think they need to cut 25 or rename it 25/26, update it next November to be for the new season and release 27 in another year after that. Otherwise surely they'll just be chasing their own tails from now on
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,364
    sam3110 said:
    I truly think they need to cut 25 or rename it 25/26, update it next November to be for the new season and release 27 in another year after that. Otherwise surely they'll just be chasing their own tails from now on
    Presumably their contracts mean they have to release a game in 24/25 - I saw a video making a good point that March is at the end of SEGA or SI’s financial year.
  • MeerKat
    MeerKat Posts: 89
    I will probably still purchase the game in March but the problem leads to less work done on fm26 unless they delay that too. With the move to the new engine I feel this is make or break for them with the changeover effecting the first 2 releases, so will be 3 years before they are back on track. If the changes to engine are underwhelming they could have serious problems. 
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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    I would have bought 25 this year but I can't justify the outlay on a game that will be replaced within about 6 months. Think December is the latest I could justify it to myself at full price. Feels weird saying that when I've bought every one since I was about 15. It's going to need to be a great game to convince people it's worth it I think
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,032
    This has been disaster after disaster from SI. They need to deliver an enhanced product when 25 drops or I think they will alienate large swathes of fanbase 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,987
    Scoham said:
    sam3110 said:
    I truly think they need to cut 25 or rename it 25/26, update it next November to be for the new season and release 27 in another year after that. Otherwise surely they'll just be chasing their own tails from now on
    Presumably their contracts mean they have to release a game in 24/25 - I saw a video making a good point that March is at the end of SEGA or SI’s financial year.
    This is probably the case but if they're not releasing this now until March, then surely the 2025 November release is either going to barely any different or totally rubbish, as there will be no time to make significant changes.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,361
    Don’t think it’s been discussed on here, but they made the decision to implement women’s football into 25 but drop international football (at least for now).

    Quite ridiculous in hindsight considering they had enough changes to be making that they went and pushed hard to add more than they probably needed to. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    cafctom said:
    Don’t think it’s been discussed on here, but they made the decision to implement women’s football into 25 but drop international football (at least for now).

    Quite ridiculous in hindsight considering they had enough changes to be making that they went and pushed hard to add more than they probably needed to. 
    They've been working years on the women's game and it's frankly ridiculous that it wasn't there sooner. I think they would have had to drop international management regardless. They've been looking at things a smaller % of players use and dropping them. International management isn't very popular in the game
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    fenaddick said:
    cafctom said:
    Don’t think it’s been discussed on here, but they made the decision to implement women’s football into 25 but drop international football (at least for now).

    Quite ridiculous in hindsight considering they had enough changes to be making that they went and pushed hard to add more than they probably needed to. 
    They've been working years on the women's game and it's frankly ridiculous that it wasn't there sooner. I think they would have had to drop international management regardless. They've been looking at things a smaller % of players use and dropping them. International management isn't very popular in the game
    And you think Women management will be?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,971
    J BLOCK said:
    fenaddick said:
    cafctom said:
    Don’t think it’s been discussed on here, but they made the decision to implement women’s football into 25 but drop international football (at least for now).

    Quite ridiculous in hindsight considering they had enough changes to be making that they went and pushed hard to add more than they probably needed to. 
    They've been working years on the women's game and it's frankly ridiculous that it wasn't there sooner. I think they would have had to drop international management regardless. They've been looking at things a smaller % of players use and dropping them. International management isn't very popular in the game
    And you think Women management will be?
    We don't know but given only 5.6% of people use international management it's worth a punt. Businesses would go bust if they aimed their product at 5% of their base
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,158
    The thing is though, people don't generally play international management because it's so poorly implemented, not because the concept isn't interesting. It's boring, you mostly just hammer the space bar waiting to get to a tournament. No-one is going to sit in the stands and watch players, there's not a lot of value in testing different players in qualifiers because in the end you know who the good and bad players are. You just keep an eye on development and decline and then pick a squad for the tournament. Then you watch the players all get injured because fitness isn't re-balanced for those tournaments so you'll have exhausted players getting crippled in the third group game.

    What they could and should have done is actually tried to rethink the mode and add in new features to make international management not a much more empty, boring version of the standard game but instead they've just switched it off. I'm more hopeful for the women's game as ostensibly it should be the base game as normal but with a separated group of players, but I'm equally only as hopeful about that as I am about the game in general, which is not very at all. FM covers its daft flaws with its depth, if they take the depth out just to focus on a match engine that I don't even watch then it'll be a disasterpiece
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,970
    A World Cup or euros with mates is great fun. Was disappointed when they announced no international management.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,364
    It would be good to hear any thoughts on our players as the data deadline for assessing squads is coming up. I've made a lot of changes so most things should be covered, including the system we're now playing with Small on the right etc.

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