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cafcpolo said:ShootersHillGuru said:I see that the energy price cap is forecast to increase by 9% in October. Time to fix ? I’m currently on Octopus tracker.
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Covered End said:
cafcpolo said:ShootersHillGuru said:I see that the energy price cap is forecast to increase by 9% in October. Time to fix ? I’m currently on Octopus tracker.
But SHG is on a more expensive more recent version.0 -
moneysavingexpert is your friend for this stuff.1
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ShootersHillGuru said:
Covered End said:
cafcpolo said:ShootersHillGuru said:I see that the energy price cap is forecast to increase by 9% in October. Time to fix ? I’m currently on Octopus tracker.
But SHG is on a more expensive more recent version.
A bit like estimating whether a 1, 2, 3, 5 year fix mortgage may be best etc.
I would say if you need the certainty of a fix rate, because you may have financial struggles by not fixing, then you should perhaps fix.
I'm estimating that the Octopus variable tracker has served me well and I'm happy to stick with it as I doubt there's much in it and am happy to take the risk that I think there's a 55/60% chance that the tracker will be a bit cheaper.0 -
Covered End said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Covered End said:
cafcpolo said:ShootersHillGuru said:I see that the energy price cap is forecast to increase by 9% in October. Time to fix ? I’m currently on Octopus tracker.
But SHG is on a more expensive more recent version.
A bit like estimating whether a 1, 2, 3, 5 year fix mortgage may be best etc.
I would say if you need the certainty of a fix rate, because you may have financial struggles by not fixing, then you should perhaps fix.
I'm estimating that the Octopus variable has served me well and I'm happy to stick with it as I doubt there's much in it and am happy to take the risk that I think there's a 55/60% chance that the tracker will be a bit cheaper.1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Covered End said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Covered End said:
cafcpolo said:ShootersHillGuru said:I see that the energy price cap is forecast to increase by 9% in October. Time to fix ? I’m currently on Octopus tracker.
But SHG is on a more expensive more recent version.
A bit like estimating whether a 1, 2, 3, 5 year fix mortgage may be best etc.
I would say if you need the certainty of a fix rate, because you may have financial struggles by not fixing, then you should perhaps fix.
I'm estimating that the Octopus variable has served me well and I'm happy to stick with it as I doubt there's much in it and am happy to take the risk that I think there's a 55/60% chance that the tracker will be a bit cheaper.1 -
Im currently OVO variable, Paying
Gas 5.28p per KW an 30.50p per day Standing
Electric 22.40 per KW an 38.84p per day Standing
Two Year Fixed
Gas 6.60p per KW an 26.01p per day Standing
Electric 24.59p an 41.55p per day Standing
With the Cap increasing shortly (forecast 9%) and being reviewed every 3 months, it’s a gamble on the whether you think prices are short to mid term heading up or down.This next increase I think will take my variable close to these Two year fixed figures. I’m taking the gamble it isn’t coming down anytime soon. So locking in now.Although worth noting I’m on £75 exit fee on both gas and electric should I wish to get out of the 2 year fixed.0 -
A typical household's annual energy bill will rise by £149 in October under regulator Ofgem's new price cap.
A household using a typical amount of gas and electricity will pay £1,717 a year, a 10% rise compared with now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qgy11w5dyo
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I will repeat what I have said before. I don’t understand where the calculation for a 9/10% rise in energy bills is derived from. As the price cap is a lagging indicator (previous 3 months) it should be clear that wholesale prices have increased 9/10% up to end of September. They have not. Following chart shows octopus tracker rate over the last 3 monthsAs you can see barely deviated from 20/21p and certainly not consistently higher than 22p needed to equal a 10% rise.I get the feeling it’s the added extras that energy companies can throw into the ‘price cap’ to help them recover from bad debtors / other energy companies going bust that is pushing the prices up.I will be staying on the Octopus wholesale tracker for this winter.3
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BalladMan said:I will repeat what I have said before. I don’t understand where the calculation for a 9/10% rise in energy bills is derived from. As the price cap is a lagging indicator (previous 3 months) it should be clear that wholesale prices have increased 9/10% up to end of September. They have not. Following chart shows octopus tracker rate over the last 3 monthsAs you can see barely deviated from 20/21p and certainly not consistently higher than 22p needed to equal a 10% rise.I get the feeling it’s the added extras that energy companies can throw into the ‘price cap’ to help them recover from bad debtors / other energy companies going bust that is pushing the prices up.I will be staying on the Octopus wholesale tracker for this winter.
We're now in an insane place where global wholesale prices have come down to roughly where they were before the crisis (e.g. natural gas) but we're still paying almost twice as much as before the spike.
On top of that, the fixed daily rates are linked to the cost of running the network - hence why they vary by location, energy type, etc. - and, due to inflation in labour, materials and energy, these keep going up.
Are they also profiteering, no doubt. They'll be gaming the regulator on all sorts of costs, caveats and risks that require higher profits to manage. But there's no longer a market - albeit it was never a very efficient market - to mitigate that profiteering.4 - Sponsored links:
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BalladMan said:I will repeat what I have said before. I don’t understand where the calculation for a 9/10% rise in energy bills is derived from. As the price cap is a lagging indicator (previous 3 months) it should be clear that wholesale prices have increased 9/10% up to end of September. They have not. Following chart shows octopus tracker rate over the last 3 monthsAs you can see barely deviated from 20/21p and certainly not consistently higher than 22p needed to equal a 10% rise.I get the feeling it’s the added extras that energy companies can throw into the ‘price cap’ to help them recover from bad debtors / other energy companies going bust that is pushing the prices up.I will be staying on the Octopus wholesale tracker for this winter.1
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I fixed our energy rates with EDF for 3 years and the deal runs out next month.We currently pay:20.42p/kWh and 23.0p/day for electricity (avg monthly use 365kWh)4.13p/kWh and 26.11p/day for gas (avg monthly use 1940kWh)Can't decide which 'deal' to go with but it's going to be a cold winter in our house with these new rates!0
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BalladMan said:I will repeat what I have said before. I don’t understand where the calculation for a 9/10% rise in energy bills is derived from. As the price cap is a lagging indicator (previous 3 months) it should be clear that wholesale prices have increased 9/10% up to end of September. They have not. Following chart shows octopus tracker rate over the last 3 monthsAs you can see barely deviated from 20/21p and certainly not consistently higher than 22p needed to equal a 10% rise.I get the feeling it’s the added extras that energy companies can throw into the ‘price cap’ to help them recover from bad debtors / other energy companies going bust that is pushing the prices up.I will be staying on the Octopus wholesale tracker for this winter.2
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Huskaris said:BalladMan said:I will repeat what I have said before. I don’t understand where the calculation for a 9/10% rise in energy bills is derived from. As the price cap is a lagging indicator (previous 3 months) it should be clear that wholesale prices have increased 9/10% up to end of September. They have not. Following chart shows octopus tracker rate over the last 3 monthsAs you can see barely deviated from 20/21p and certainly not consistently higher than 22p needed to equal a 10% rise.I get the feeling it’s the added extras that energy companies can throw into the ‘price cap’ to help them recover from bad debtors / other energy companies going bust that is pushing the prices up.I will be staying on the Octopus wholesale tracker for this winter.1
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It is not a market. It is a club for others to make money, presided over by a elected incompetents.
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fenlandaddick said:It is not a market. It is a club for others to make money, presided over by a elected incompetents.Even though Octopus have changed the calc in their favour, I still have comfort that I am paying close to wholesale rates.2
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Did anyone else on the tracker get three saving sessions last week? Just had my email from the 1st, managed to use £2.60 of elec in the first hour!0
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cafcpolo said:Did anyone else on the tracker get three saving sessions last week? Just had my email from the 1st, managed to use £2.60 of elec in the first hour!1
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I think there should be a push by regulator to force power companies to take a serious look at their daily standing charges and force a reduction. I don’t think energy companies have been as negligent as their water counterparts but there’s little doubt that their profits have been protected far too much at the expense of the customer.3
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cafcpolo said:Did anyone else on the tracker get three saving sessions last week? Just had my email from the 1st, managed to use £2.60 of elec in the first hour!
I mowed the lawn (electric) for about 40 mins, put the dishwasher on for 30 mins, plugged in the laptop and phone and boiled the kettle (between 1pm & 2pm).
The free electricity over and above what I would normally spend was a whopping 20p!
I won't be rushing to bother again.
I thought the saving would be more like £1 (purely guessing).0 - Sponsored links:
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Covered End said:cafcpolo said:Did anyone else on the tracker get three saving sessions last week? Just had my email from the 1st, managed to use £2.60 of elec in the first hour!
I mowed the lawn (electric) for about 40 mins, put the dishwasher on for 30 mins, plugged in the laptop and phone and boiled the kettle (between 1pm & 2pm).
The free electricity over and above what I would normally spend was a whopping 20p!
I won't be rushing to bother again.
I thought the saving would be more like £1 (purely guessing).Just a small sum in the grand scheme but no effort or hardship on my part.0 -
RaplhMilne said:Im currently OVO variable, Paying
Gas 5.28p per KW an 30.50p per day Standing
Electric 22.40 per KW an 38.84p per day Standing
Two Year Fixed
Gas 6.60p per KW an 26.01p per day Standing
Electric 24.59p an 41.55p per day Standing
With the Cap increasing shortly (forecast 9%) and being reviewed every 3 months, it’s a gamble on the whether you think prices are short to mid term heading up or down.This next increase I think will take my variable close to these Two year fixed figures. I’m taking the gamble it isn’t coming down anytime soon. So locking in now.Although worth noting I’m on £75 exit fee on both gas and electric should I wish to get out of the 2 year fixed.Also if the rates change adversely in a big way that exit fee won’t feel so high I suspect.0 -
Is the Octopus Tracker still worth getting? From what I've read on it you have to switch to their basic tariff and then apply for the tracker one.
We're with EDF until the end of the month and their rates going forward aren't great.
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addix said:Is the Octopus Tracker still worth getting? From what I've read on it you have to switch to their basic tariff and then apply for the tracker one.
We're with EDF until the end of the month and their rates going forward aren't great.2 -
addix said:Is the Octopus Tracker still worth getting? From what I've read on it you have to switch to their basic tariff and then apply for the tracker one.
We're with EDF until the end of the month and their rates going forward aren't great.Cap right now is 22.63 / 5.48 so still a bit higher than the averages below.Cap from 1st October will be 24.5 / 6.24 so unless wholesale prices increase significantly, you’re still slightly better off.Obvious risk is that prices spike due to a global event, so depends on your risk appetite.The savings are nowhere near what they were a year ago as Octopus have reaslied they were not making enough margin on the volume of people who used it, and increase in wholesale price of energy.1 -
addix said:Is the Octopus Tracker still worth getting? From what I've read on it you have to switch to their basic tariff and then apply for the tracker one.
We're with EDF until the end of the month and their rates going forward aren't great.
Above you an see a purple dotted line which represents the price cap for electricity, and there has only been one day that it has been higher than the cap, with the added bonus of semi regularly the price falling to around 13p which has been great, washing machine running all day etc.
Below that is a red line for the gas price cap, and it's never been above the line.
My understanding from some of the others on here is that when demand peaks in winter time, this might change, but so far I couldn't be happier.
Add to that, EDF messed up my final meter reading, Octopus sorted it within 2 weeks and refunded me the £150 pretty quickly, and then gave me a £50 credit for using a referral link posted by a user on here.
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Here’s a link for £50 off your bill if anyone wants to sign up to the Octopus tracker. https://share.octopus.energy/melon-camel-122
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Covered End said:Here’s a link for £50 off your bill if anyone wants to sign up to the Octopus tracker. https://share.octopus.energy/melon-camel-122
Never had you down as a "Stephen".1 -
Off_it said:Covered End said:Here’s a link for £50 off your bill if anyone wants to sign up to the Octopus tracker. https://share.octopus.energy/melon-camel-122
Never had you down as a "Stephen".0 -
For those of you with Octopus and who haven’t already done so, you can now get free of charge Octopus Mini
https://octopus.energy/blog/octopus-home-mini/
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