POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Bolton Wanderers: Saturday 24th August 2024 | KO 15: 00

Valley11 said:

A performance to make you believe. 
Sonething is happening here 
So many positives but two big things are the back three and Coventry. Superb. 

And I never felt particularly worried that we’d concede. I have felt like that since about 2011. 

ShootersHillGuru said:

golfaddick said:

sam3110 said:

golfaddick said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

golfaddick said:

Covered End said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The only goal we have conceded, in the cup, was a wonder shot from way out. We have a great starting point as if you don't concede you don't lose and one goal wins it. Blindingly obvious but no less true for it.

Blindingly obvious to everyone except one.

Yet we are not top & not even in an automatic spot. So please tell me why ?  Why are we 3rd if we have scored in every league game AND not let in a goal. Because according to everyone, even Sir Nathan Jones keeping clean sheets wins you titles.

SO. FAR  IT  DOESNT. 

Got to be a wind up surely?

Only you could find a way to moan about 3 wins and 3 clean sheets from 3 games, including 1 over a side expected to contend for automatic promotion.

Once again, I am not moaning.

I am simply stating a fact. People on here keep saying " clean sheets win you titles" and I have pointed out that we've won all our games by keeping a clean sheet. Now, if "clean sheet wins" win you titles then we should be top. But we're not. We aren't even top 2. So, for the last time, there must be something else that is needed to win you automatic promotion than a clean sheet win. 

As they say on exam papers, please show your workings out. 

If this was halfway through the season then sure, but we're 3 games in, so claiming that we aren't scoring enough goals and clean sheets won't be enough is, quite frankly, meaningless. We're not going to keep 46 clean sheets. We're not going to win every game. The same is also true of the teams above us 

For once & for all. I have not said we are not scoring enough goals & that clean sheets will not be enough. 

I simply pointed out to all & sundry that just keeping a clean sheet isnt the be & end all of things, and the mantra of "clean sheets win you titles" is not theoretically true. 

Now, just to stop all this guff I am not going to reply / defend myself about this any further. You can all think what you like but I know what I mean......and some of it is me being pedantic because of where we stand in the league. I do hope that in 12 games time this conversation will be irrelevant. 

I completely get what you’re saying golfie. Look at the top of The Premier League, Scottish PL, The Championship and as far as Stockport are concerned League One. The best teams generally score a lot of goals and the very best teams score a lot and concede few. However. Winning 4 - 0 gets you no more points than winning 1 - 0 and there is more than one way to skin a cat. 

soapboxsam said:

bolloxbolder said:

ross1 said:

NabySarr said:

Callumcafc said:

I’m sad there’s not a game tomorrow evening..!

With the run we are on, surely we don’t call off the international weekend game against Rotherham? 

Depends which players are called up, assume Anderson and AMB if Aussies have a game. Cannot play with only one goalkeeper if AMB gets called up

Don't need a goalie with our defence.

I notice Stephen Henderson CAFC keeper coach is only 36 so if push comes to shove he could be named on the bench for one game. Less radical than finding the next Steve Brown to go between the sticks 😀

seth plum said:

There are no negatives. We deservedly won kicking the wrong way. The 138 points is still on.

HastingsRed said:

JaShea99 said:

I can’t remember the last time I saw a Charlton defence consistently perform this well.

The run up to the first play off final.

seth plum said:

AddicksAddict said:

seth plum said:

There are no negatives. We deservedly won kicking the wrong way. The 138 points is still on.

How many could we score if we kicked the right way?

LOL.
People scoff but I believe kicking the right way, and winning the toss away and kicking the wrong way for opponents (like we did at Wigan) is or should be the aim.
I am pretty sure I read statistics somewhere that referees rightly or wrongly give more decisions to home teams. I always want Charlton to kick towards the Covered End in the second half as I think it helps. It might help even more this season as we seem to be able to finish games strongly.

Covered End said:

golfaddick said:

bobmunro said:

golfaddick said:

bobmunro said:

golfaddick said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

golfaddick said:

Covered End said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

The only goal we have conceded, in the cup, was a wonder shot from way out. We have a great starting point as if you don't concede you don't lose and one goal wins it. Blindingly obvious but no less true for it.

Blindingly obvious to everyone except one.

Yet we are not top & not even in an automatic spot. So please tell me why ?  Why are we 3rd if we have scored in every league game AND not let in a goal. Because according to everyone, even Sir Nathan Jones keeping clean sheets wins you titles.

SO. FAR  IT  DOESNT. 

Got to be a wind up surely?

Only you could find a way to moan about 3 wins and 3 clean sheets from 3 games, including 1 over a side expected to contend for automatic promotion.

Once again, I am not moaning.

I am simply stating a fact. People on here keep saying " clean sheets win you titles" and I have pointed out that we've won all our games by keeping a clean sheet. Now, if "clean sheet wins" win you titles then we should be top. But we're not. We aren't even top 2. So, for the last time, there must be something else that is needed to win you automatic promotion than a clean sheet win. 

As they say on exam papers, please show your workings out. 

If we win all our remaining games 1-0 do you reckon we still might not get promotion?

By simple maths it stands to reason that if you win all your games, no matter what the score, then you will be Champions because you'll have 6 more points than anyone else.

But currently, and I know it's only 3 games & the season is over 46 games, we are not in the automatic promotion spaces even though we have won all our games & kept 3 clean sheets.......seeing as everyone keeps telling me clean sheets are what win you titles. 

I really do want to drop this issue but people keep ignoring the facts and dont or cant explain why we are not top.....or at least 2nd.

PS. And at this stage I dont really care, but people cant seem to let it go. I am simply posting facts. We could have won all 3 games 4-2 and we'd be 2nd. No clean sheets in sight. So once again......there is something else just as important as a clean sheet. Just recognise that fact & move on. 

But we haven't played the two teams above us yet - so still in our hands!

There is nothing more important than a win - clean sheet or otherwise. Points win promotion, however they are acquired.

Totally agree with your 2nd paragraph. Nothing is more important than a win, clean sheet or otherwise.

End of.

Now please can we move on. Jesus. Some of you just want to dig me out no matter what the subject. 

I don't think anyone WANTS to dig you out.
I think some have just gone past the exasperated state with your relentless negativity and then illogical justifications and denials.
The trouble is you're so negative about virtually everything, that you honestly believe that some of your negative posts are positive. 

Braziliance said:

In Golfies defence, before he had even posted, there were comments saying how he's going to find a negative still, or posts alluding to it. Feels like sometimes people actually deep down enjoy his negative posts, like a train wreck, you don't want to look but can't help yourselves.

If he wants to be negative, that's up to him, I don't really find Golfie doing the opposite and finding every positive post and asking why people are so positive. He has some genuine concerns about the goals etc, but ultimately it's out of our hands so personally I'm just enjoying the team for what it is atm. If we miss out because of GD eventually, so be it.

There was a bit of bickering, but it was literally only over people pre-emptively preparing themselves for one of his 'negative' posts, or, when he finally did post, questioning him. It's got a point where any view that isn't completely positive receives criticism, or people trying to convince you otherwise, when that completely negates the whole point of an individuals post match views. Nothing wrong with engaging, or finding out why a person thinks like that, but there's a way of going about it imo.

jimmymelrose said:

FishCostaFortune said:

Braziliance said:

In Golfies defence, before he had even posted, there were comments saying how he's going to find a negative still, or posts alluding to it. Feels like sometimes people actually deep down enjoy his negative posts, like a train wreck, you don't want to look but can't help yourselves.

If he wants to be negative, that's up to him, I don't really find Golfie doing the opposite and finding every positive post and asking why people are so positive. He has some genuine concerns about the goals etc, but ultimately it's out of our hands so personally I'm just enjoying the team for what it is atm. If we miss out because of GD eventually, so be it.

There was a bit of bickering, but it was literally only over people pre-emptively preparing themselves for one of his 'negative' posts, or, when he finally did post, questioning him. It's got a point where any view that isn't completely positive receives criticism, or people trying to convince you otherwise, when that completely negates the whole point of an individuals post match views. Nothing wrong with engaging, or finding out why a person thinks like that, but there's a way of going about it imo.

Covered End said it well. It’s become so predictable, relentless and tiresome. 

It’s perfectly normal for people to come out and mention that they have been underwhelmed by Adhame, and give reasons why - and then for another poster to counteract that with their reasons (even if this does get tetchy sometimes).

But we rarely ever get anything of that substance from golfaddick. It’s not positive or negative, and I hate that people feel arguments have to be framed that way as it is much more nuanced than that.

It’s just moaning for moaning sake. 

1.Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

Try actually attending a match with him. Maybe this should be a kind of CL challenge, lol


2. It is not. He really is that pessimistic. To be fair, it's a form of defence mechanism in my opinion. Sometimes it's good to be reined-in and not get too carried away but other times it used to really get on my nerves. 

Btw, the only time I've really known Golfie to be confident we'd win and be wholly positive was from about March during the 99/2000 season.

Chunes said:

NJ talking about Docherty in post-match interview: “Well I’ve got people inside the club who don’t think he can play as an eight – it’s lucky I make my own decisions!"

Wonder who that was aimed at... I'd be putting my money on Andy Scott

ForeverAddickted said:

thenewbie said:

Chunes said:

NJ talking about Docherty in post-match interview: “Well I’ve got people inside the club who don’t think he can play as an eight – it’s lucky I make my own decisions!"

Wonder who that was aimed at... I'd be putting my money on Andy Scott

It's amazing that Jones has the confidence/self-belief to say that really, I mean I'm sure it's true but it's definitely a bit of a power play to just come out and basically announce that he's the one with the power like that.

NOT that I think it’s a bad thing, having one person with the vision and responsibility seems to be a better system than the hodgepodge committee shit we had before. But still a pretty bold statement.

You can see in ways, why its didnt work out at Southampton for him... He needs to be a Manager that takes his team to the Premier League, and then do something special there before he can go in at an more "established" side and do his thing.

The egos at that level just cant handle him.

Mendonca In Asdas said:

ValleyGary said:

Braziliance said:

A late one, but I'd appreciate anyone dropping this a like and giving it a watch etc 

The editing was a nightmare 😂

https://youtu.be/kr2mKu0bEVs?si=gGtMn5kBGyDJUf59

Any feedback please always welcomed 

Good vid mate.

Feedback is buy yourself a hair band for that Barnet!! Would drive me made keep having to push it back.

Thanks for that @Braziliance really enjoyed it, loved the bit when you talked to the fans 👏 👏