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Mason Burstow - on loan to Bolton from Hull (p53)

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  • cafc-4-life
    cafc-4-life Posts: 1,305
    fenaddick said:
    Anyone know if we have a sell on %? https://x.com/nizaarkinsella/status/1823796480882401337?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Couldn't imagine if he will be going for much to even worry about it. I believe that our fee would increase based on clauses and I reckon there is a % but considering he didn't set the world alight last season for Sunderland. We may make a few hundred K?
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    Never got why they signed him, decent player but never looked particularly special.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    CAFCsayer said:
    Never got why they signed him, decent player but never looked particularly special.
    Agree on ability but the reason would have been that they hoped to make a profit.
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,258
    cafc-4-life said:
    fenaddick said:
    Anyone know if we have a sell on %? https://x.com/nizaarkinsella/status/1823796480882401337?s=46&t=MojDVxh_AjG5taAWPQn6Tw
    Couldn't imagine if he will be going for much to even worry about it. I believe that our fee would increase based on clauses and I reckon there is a % but considering he didn't set the world alight last season for Sunderland. We may make a few hundred K?
    I thought we were told the % sell on fee was "unusually high" or something along those lines at the time - unless I am misremembering or thinking of someone else?
  • charltonnick
    charltonnick Posts: 3,063
    I would be amazed if Hull are paying a sizeable fee , he was a flop at Sunderland
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    Cawley says we’d only get a % of any profit so think we rule that out, no way he goes for 1.5m+
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    CAFCsayer said:
    Never got why they signed him, decent player but never looked particularly special.
    Sign a load of decent youngsters for.£1m, £2m, loan them out, hope a few show enough on loan to get someone to pay a good fee for them, sell the ones that don't, rinse, repeat.

  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    North Lower Neil said:
    CAFCsayer said:
    Never got why they signed him, decent player but never looked particularly special.
    Sign a load of decent youngsters for.£1m, £2m, loan them out, hope a few show enough on loan to get someone to pay a good fee for them, sell the ones that don't, rinse, repeat.

    This and it was a model that made them money at academy level.

  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Probably made some money but in reality he’s no better than League One. 
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  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,678
    This article in today's Mirror is quite pertinent.




  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,673
    fenaddick said:
    Cawley says we’d only get a % of any profit so think we rule that out, no way he goes for 1.5m+
    I could easily see him going for £3m. Money is stupid even in the championship now.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,144
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    This article in today's Mirror is quite pertinent.




    Equally pertinent is the current Price of Football podcast, which is an interview with the current PFA chairmań who eloquently speaks about the damage to young kids who are treated as goods to be traded and the short-changing of fans who want to see “ their own” helping to make their team better. 

    Masters is a quisling in the pay of bad people. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,032
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited August 2024
    PragueAddick said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    This article in today's Mirror is quite pertinent.




    Equally pertinent is the current Price of Football podcast, which is an interview with the current PFA chairmań who eloquently speaks about the damage to young kids who are treated as goods to be traded and the short-changing of fans who want to see “ their own” helping to make their team better. 

    Masters is a quisling in the pay of bad people. 
    If it helps with reducing the amount of ridiculous stockpiling of talent until a player’s mid-20s and having half a dozen loans for no reason other than greed from the big boys at the top table then I’m all for it.

    As poorly as Chelsea have behaved re: Gallagher & Chalobah, that’s a Chelsea problem, not League wide.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    edited August 2024
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    edited August 2024
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
    Who knows for sure, but I'd be surprised if Chelsea were paying all the 18 year olds they sign/poach nearly a million a year each.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    North Lower Neil said:
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
    Who knows for sure, but I'd be surprised if Chelsea were paying all the 18 year olds they sign/poach nearly a million a year each.
    They won't be because the loan them out and get the loaning club to pay some or all of those wages.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
    Who knows for sure, but I'd be surprised if Chelsea were paying all the 18 year olds they sign/poach nearly a million a year each.
    They won't be because the loan them out and get the loaning club to pay some or all of those wages.
    With the loan fee probably covering the rest!

    I doubt Chelsea have lost out financially on burstow, a gamble that didn’t work!
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  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,144
    Callumcafc said:
    PragueAddick said:
    Raith_C_Chattonell said:
    This article in today's Mirror is quite pertinent.




    Equally pertinent is the current Price of Football podcast, which is an interview with the current PFA chairmań who eloquently speaks about the damage to young kids who are treated as goods to be traded and the short-changing of fans who want to see “ their own” helping to make their team better. 

    Masters is a quisling in the pay of bad people. 
    If it helps with reducing the amount of ridiculous stockpiling of talent until a player’s mid-20s and having half a dozen loans for no reason other than greed from the big boys at the top table then I’m all for it.

    As poorly as Chelsea have behaved re: Gallagher & Chalobah, that’s a Chelsea problem, not League wide.
    But it won't reduce the hoovering up in the first place. While Chelsea are pretty obscene, all the big boys are at it. 

    Well worth a listen, Callum.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
  • jonno
    jonno Posts: 117
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5705296/2024/08/16/mason-burstow-hull-chelsea-transfer/
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    fenaddick said:
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
    Says around £2m, we get a share over £1.5m
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    ross1 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
    Says around £2m, we get a share over £1.5m
    Would imagine it's only 10/15% so might just cover 2 months of Frasers wages. Does go to show we probably got a decent deal up front as he hasn't gone on to be the massive saleable asset Chelsea were hoping for.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    ross1 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
    Says around £2m, we get a share over £1.5m
    Wonder if Chelsea have done the deal so its less than £1.5m now, and then rises to above that figure later on - Meaning that as a result, they MIGHT get out of paying us anything

    I swear there were two clubs involved in a deal like that a few years ago, where a third club like us lost out, because of how the financial package between the buying / selling club had been done
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,031
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ross1 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
    Says around £2m, we get a share over £1.5m
    Wonder if Chelsea have done the deal so its less than £1.5m now, and then rises to above that figure later on - Meaning that as a result, they MIGHT get out of paying us anything

    I swear there were two clubs involved in a deal like that a few years ago, where a third club like us lost out, because of how the financial package between the buying / selling club had been done
    Almost certainly, the same goes for most transfers now. It'll be maybe £1/1.5m up front with the rest hit by add ons. My guess is based on appearances and goals. Appearances I'm sure he'll hit, goals I'm less sure but we'll see.
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
    I got told it was £5k when he 1st went there and then when his contract run out and he wanted to leave Chelsea upped it to £15k.

    Nobody by Kasey, Chelsea and his agent know for sure but Chelsea run their academy like a business where KPI's have to be met.
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,921
    cafc999 said:
    Henry Irving said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    Wonder what sort of dough he's been on at Chelsea
    Only guessing but I imagine it would have been a minimum of 20k a week.
    Whatever it was you can bet your life he'll be on a lot less at Hull.
    Chelsea weren't paying a bloke they signed after a few L1 games £20k a week.  £5k max at a guess.

    We were probably still paying him basically a League 1 U18 wage so a few hundred thousand over 3.5 years at Chelsea was still a life changing contract.

    And I could see Hull paying him more than Chelsea were - first teamer in the Championship v what Chelsea would have offered an 18 year old.
    Kasey Palmer was on 15k pw when he first went to Chelsea (Source - his dad) so I doubt Burstow would be on less than that.
    I got told it was £5k when he 1st went there and then when his contract run out and he wanted to leave Chelsea upped it to £15k.

    Nobody by Kasey, Chelsea and his agent know for sure but Chelsea run their academy like a business where KPI's have to be met.
    Read somewhere he was £7800 pw at Chelsea.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,620
    edited August 2024
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ross1 said:
    fenaddick said:
    Deal now completed, can’t find the fee anywhere so no idea if we’ll get any money or not 
    Says around £2m, we get a share over £1.5m
    Wonder if Chelsea have done the deal so its less than £1.5m now, and then rises to above that figure later on - Meaning that as a result, they MIGHT get out of paying us anything

    I swear there were two clubs involved in a deal like that a few years ago, where a third club like us lost out, because of how the financial package between the buying / selling club had been done
    Wasn’t it Pope going to Newcastle from Burnley? Didn’t they do a player swap as part of the deal? Thus reducing the profit that Burnley made and therefore reduced our sell on profit figure.

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