Charlton Banksy, on Westmoor St *very new

SporadicAddick said:

I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.

At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels. 

It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".

If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery. 

For what it's worth, there is a long tradition of fabulous artworks on buildings.

I know that Northern Ireland has a (well-deserved) reputation for sectarian street art, but there is plenty of other stuff out there in Ireland and elsewhere, that is both artistic and, like Banksy murals, draws in tourists (including Spanish friends who were determined to do a walking tour of Belfast street art as well as the Titanic Museum on a recent visit).

https://www.creativeireland.gov.ie/en/blog/street-art-2021/
https://carpediemeire.com/2019/11/14/street-art-of-dublin/
https://www.ireland.com/magazine/culture/belfasts-street-art/
https://visitbelfast.com/article/virtual-street-art-tour/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-67377314 (for those of us who love the Undertones)

I really like this artist's work: https://thisisfriz.com/

Admittedly, there's plenty of dross too...

But I'm really uncertain how many galleries can fit these works.

SporadicAddick said:

I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.

At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels. 

It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".

If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery. 

Why? Why does art have to be stuck away in a gallery to get "recognition"? And recognition from who?

Off_it said:

SporadicAddick said:

I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.

At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels. 

It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".

If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery. 

Why? Why does art have to be stuck away in a gallery to get "recognition"? And recognition from who?

I didn't mention recognition?

Put it on the walls of restaurants / galleries / shops / pubs / bars / places where it can be viewed and appreciated without resort to criminal damage.

Put it in places designated for it / put it on your own property.

Don't scrawl it over other peoples property. If it's legitimate for artists to do it on random walls, then its legitimate for every little scrote with a can of spray paint to put their tags everywhere.

SporadicAddick said:

I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.

At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels. 

It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".

If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery. 

To be fair this is a clever piece of art in a street that couldn't be be any shittier if it tried.

DyerConsequences said:

Final one of this set has appeared on a shutter at London zoo: 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c623qjpgew4o

Someone will have that shutter sawed off by the end of the week 

BBC showed footage of he Charlton piece being tagged this morning. Bloke in a balaclava strolled up and did it, allowed himself to be filmed. Suspect its all part of the Banksy plan.

I like graffiti art when it's done well and always like Banksy's stuff. It's the shit tags and scrawls (just like the one over the rhino) that wind me up. That is more vandalism than anything 

A collective
At one time, there was one Banksy who had a graffiti career and a famous “beef” in the subculture with London graffiti legend Robbo. That time is gone. Banksy is now a collective of artists who work together to produce thoughtful, provocative and subversive pieces and installations.

Covered End said:

A collective
At one time, there was one Banksy who had a graffiti career and a famous “beef” in the subculture with London graffiti legend Robbo. That time is gone. Banksy is now a collective of artists who work together to produce thoughtful, provocative and subversive pieces and installations.

It would make sense then that world class performance artist known as golfie is one of them and he’s posting rubbish to throw us all off the scent.

Covered End said:

A collective
At one time, there was one Banksy who had a graffiti career and a famous “beef” in the subculture with London graffiti legend Robbo. That time is gone. Banksy is now a collective of artists who work together to produce thoughtful, provocative and subversive pieces and installations.

Subversive is a nice word of course but doesn’t mean it isn’t graffiti !

PopIcon said:

SporadicAddick said:

I hate graffiti. It's the scourge of every town and city in the UK and why people accept it, and even celebrate it, is beyond me.

At its heart, it's criminal damage. It creates an environment in which low level crime is perceived as being tolerated, and acts as a gateway to higher levels. 

It looks shit. Why is "Banksy's art" any different from the ineligible scrawls on walls, railway embankments, bridges and buildings that we see everywhere? That shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should "Banksy".

If you want to produce art, do what thousands of other artists do - produce it and put it in a gallery. 

I'll just create some art and put it in a gallery.

Sounds easy enough.

If you are an artist, it is. 

If you are a bloke on Charlton Life trying to making a point, it probably isn't.

shine166 said:

Raith_C_Chattonell said:

I wonder if it's a case of the Kings new clothes sometimes.

This is 'must have' stencil art work which people buy primarily to sell at a profit

The balloon girl was purchased at auction for £1,042,000, moments later it partially shredded, but the buyer decided to keep it anyway.  She re-titled the work as 'Love is in the bin', re-auctioned it and got 18.5 million pounds.

Robbie Williams is said to be a big fan of Banksy, but despite this he sold two of his pieces for seven million - who wouldn't be a fan at that amount of profit?

If you purchased something for 100k and it ended up being worth 5mil, you'd probably sell too... fan or no fan !.

Infant, if you were smart you'd have sold at peak market for 5 mil and tried to buy it back now during the current financial issues, prices are 1/3 of what they were during covid. 

I'd agree with you if it were on my account, but people who purport to love the art, then sell to make a profit are most likely in it for the money rather than the art.  I can't believe Robbie Williams had to sell.

To be fair, drawings on a wall is the oldest form of art.