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Wayne Rooney's (no longer at p2) Plymouth Argyle
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Interesting to see how long Wayne lasts at Plymouth.
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He'll be out by Halloween1
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Hallowayne13
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5 games minimum, 10 games maximum.1
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He won’t be down there long enough to collect a pension(er)14
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1,300 pilgrims made the short trip to Sheffield3
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It'll be good timing really. Even Coleen will have figured out that Plymouth is not Englands Monte Carlo in a few weeks.
Why do these famous players mistakingly think their skills easily transfer to management?0 -
Has done absolutely f*** all in any job he’s had, including the MLS. How much more does he have to fail before owners realize he’s not cut out for management?8
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I don't blame the players for thinking they can do it, plenty of people out there are crap at their jobs, or would go for a well paid job they'll probably be crap at.soapy_jones said:It'll be good timing really. Even Coleen will have figured out that Plymouth is not Englands Monte Carlo in a few weeks.
Why do these famous players mistakingly think their skills easily transfer to management?
I blame the owners for not realising being a very good player doesn't often translate to being a very good manager.4 -
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If you asked me to name a player that showed all the attributes needed to never ever be a football manager, Wayne Rooney would've been right up there.6
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He’s previously stated that the day to day coaching side of it doesn’t interest him but feels He has something to offer as a manager
I really can’t see that working with players no where near as good as he was0 -
I agree with all of the above, he is a mental appointment for Plymouth, who have got their last few managerial calls spot on.
What I will say is anyone applying for a managers job must have phenomenal self belief and he falls into that bracket. It isn't his fault that clubs keep giving him chances, we got seduced by Iain Dowie and a PowerPoint presentation so the thought of the positive possibilities from the Rooney effect must be hard to resist until you realise great players don't necessarily equal great managers.
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Think a lot of chairmen just get overawed by the fact their club can attract 'The Wayne Rooney' that they go blind to his actual managerial ability.
Does make me think that some disgruntled ex-footballers that feel they never get a chance in comparison to some other 'stars' aren't too far off.3 -
Baffling when the Plymouth owners could see in their own division how much of mess he made at Birmingham last season, and indeed that Plymouth probably only survived because of that.14
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Googled Rooney's managerial record. 26% win rate apparently. Higher than I thought it would be!
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Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?1
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Probably as far back as Hoddle and even he had a fair amount of ropey tenures.ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?0 -
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?3 -
Would agree with this, I read SHGs post as English player/managers but sure.thenewbie said:
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?1 -
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Was Wane Ronny in charge of the spelling of Forshaw and Cissoko on the back of the kits?
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Owners must think it’ll bring the WOW factor, so, shortsighted and delusional.
Great player as he was, his private life perhaps tells you more about his character than his footballing skills.0 -
Thinking back, what about Keegan, great player, good manager?Covered_End_Lad said:
Would agree with this, I read SHGs post as English player/managers but sure.thenewbie said:
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?0 -
Oh yeah in that case you probably are looking at maybe Bowyer? Even he was decent not brilliant, he's probably not ever going to get a Premiership job as manager.Covered_End_Lad said:
Would agree with this, I read SHGs post as English player/managers but sure.thenewbie said:
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?0 -
Lampard and Gerrard did OK.thenewbie said:
Oh yeah in that case you probably are looking at maybe Bowyer? Even he was decent not brilliant, he's probably not ever going to get a Premiership job as manager.Covered_End_Lad said:
Would agree with this, I read SHGs post as English player/managers but sure.thenewbie said:
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?
Only OK, mind, definitely wouldn't call either a 'top manager'.1 -
It's become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy with Rooney now. He did quite well at Derby and his stock was high but the Birmingham move was doomed to fail from the start because of the way it was handled and now him being hired places is seen as a bit of a meme. The Plymouth players aren't going to be excited to have a former England captain and one time record goalscorer for Man Utd and England, they're going to be annoyed and a bit embarrassed to have that bloke that comes in because of his name and messes everything up. He's the footballing equivalent of Gob from Arrested Development. That first result has happened to a lot of managers in their first game and it doesn't have to be terminal but because it's Rooney the backlash is immediate and it will be a real surprise if it turns round.0
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Seems he has called out all the players and basically said they are rubbish, so that should go down well. fair play to want to be a manager that much, he could do TV work and corporate work and collect the money, but it looks as though he will be doing that again soon.0
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They're laughing with me!Garrymanilow said:It's become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy with Rooney now. He did quite well at Derby and his stock was high but the Birmingham move was doomed to fail from the start because of the way it was handled and now him being hired places is seen as a bit of a meme. The Plymouth players aren't going to be excited to have a former England captain and one time record goalscorer for Man Utd and England, they're going to be annoyed and a bit embarrassed to have that bloke that comes in because of his name and messes everything up. He's the footballing equivalent of Gob from Arrested Development. That first result has happened to a lot of managers in their first game and it doesn't have to be terminal but because it's Rooney the backlash is immediate and it will be a real surprise if it turns round.2 -
Wasn't Derby more down to his coach Liam Rosenior anyway?Garrymanilow said:It's become a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy with Rooney now. He did quite well at Derby and his stock was high but the Birmingham move was doomed to fail from the start because of the way it was handled and now him being hired places is seen as a bit of a meme. The Plymouth players aren't going to be excited to have a former England captain and one time record goalscorer for Man Utd and England, they're going to be annoyed and a bit embarrassed to have that bloke that comes in because of his name and messes everything up. He's the footballing equivalent of Gob from Arrested Development. That first result has happened to a lot of managers in their first game and it doesn't have to be terminal but because it's Rooney the backlash is immediate and it will be a real surprise if it turns round.0 -
Examples throughout Europe but hardly any in the English game. Hoddle perhaps but top manager ?thenewbie said:
Arteta?ShootersHillGuru said:Top player = Top manager. Rarely true in English football. When was the last big name player to make the transition ?0
