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Alfie May - signed for Birmingham (p68 - Now Huddersfield )
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I never had infallible heroes. I simply backed flawed players whose good work was completely ignored by huge sections of the fanbase because we are an abused and insane army of the damnedChunes said:
Crikey Leuth... You of all people criticising others for having 'infallible heroes' is something else!Leuth said:
He's really, really bad defensively. Which isn't his job. But in terms of pressing he'll run at someone then not have the foggiest idea what to do once he gets there. Probably one of Jones' marks against him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He's hardly Steven Gerrard is he?Chippycafc said:Ridiculous decision to sell him. Top goal scorer and a genuine box to box player. Must have some belter lined up to replace him.
If he gets off to a flyer at brum and we struggle for goals, Jones has a lot to answer too.
Anyway, to back up my scintillating insight from yesterday which you all loved, it always strikes me that Charlton fans in all our abused mania will always do that annoying thing where we have a couple of players who are infallible heroes, and the rest are all 'shit' or at the very most 'bogstandard League One footballers'. Frankly I'm not unhappy that our two infallible heroes are gone. Maybe some of the others' qualities might be a bit more appreciated, and maybe we're signing people who can help us finish high up the table, which our infallible heroes couldn't7 -
Like, literally 1 minute ago on the transfer rumours thread, someone said Hector and Thomas had an error in them 'every game'. Every game! This is simply the sort of narrative I go up against. I'm happy we're apparently signing better centre-halves than them, for the record. I'm also happy we're signing centre-forwards Jones trusts more than May.Leuth said:
I never had infallible heroes. I simply backed flawed players whose good work was completely ignored by huge sections of the fanbase because we are an abused and insane army of the damnedChunes said:
Crikey Leuth... You of all people criticising others for having 'infallible heroes' is something else!Leuth said:
He's really, really bad defensively. Which isn't his job. But in terms of pressing he'll run at someone then not have the foggiest idea what to do once he gets there. Probably one of Jones' marks against him.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
He's hardly Steven Gerrard is he?Chippycafc said:Ridiculous decision to sell him. Top goal scorer and a genuine box to box player. Must have some belter lined up to replace him.
If he gets off to a flyer at brum and we struggle for goals, Jones has a lot to answer too.
Anyway, to back up my scintillating insight from yesterday which you all loved, it always strikes me that Charlton fans in all our abused mania will always do that annoying thing where we have a couple of players who are infallible heroes, and the rest are all 'shit' or at the very most 'bogstandard League One footballers'. Frankly I'm not unhappy that our two infallible heroes are gone. Maybe some of the others' qualities might be a bit more appreciated, and maybe we're signing people who can help us finish high up the table, which our infallible heroes couldn't2 -
Sad that money was the motivation for the move here. Birmingham have a similar crackpot ownership that we've had here over the last 10 years or so. Alfie would have known this but went for the move anyway.1
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Whatever the proportion of votes were we the fans voted May, Dobson,and Terrell Thomas as our three best players.
All three are gone.
If those in power snort and think ‘what do fans know about football’ they are wrong. Sometimes we even know better than those in power.
Anybody else at Leyton Orient last Boxing Day? We the fans were not wrong condemning that performance were we?
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To be fair, I do see sense in what Leuth is saying.ElfsborgAddick said:
Are you taking the p***?Leuth said:
He scored tons for two sides who set themselves up entirely to feed him and basically him alone, with the result that other forward players were cast as support act. He may have scored 20 but he probably should have scored 30 given some of the chances he wasted. But here's the thing - are Birmingham going to do that? Will his pace hold up? Will Birmingham have a better penalty taker (probably)? Or is this more of the worst football takes you've all ever seen, blah blahCarter said:
He scored tons for a truly shit Charlton team and even more for a less shit, but still limited Cheltenham Town. He will dip his bread there and their fans will love himNabySarr said:
I’m not sure he will actually do that amazingly there. If it was Huddersfield he’d probably score loads but it remains to be seen how Birmingham will play/set up and whether that will suit MayCarter said:Birmingham have just made the signing of the season, a guy who scores for fun at this level, works his nuts off and antagonises the opposition. They have signed a ready made cult hero.
We are now back to less forwards than we had for the last couple of seasons and only one of them stays fit. Triffic0 -
The plan is… Fingers crossed.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Karim_myBagheri said:Tin pot decision. Imagine if it was anyone else in this league letting go of their and the leagues top goal scorer to a rival. The absolute jubilation on here if we had pulled off such a move from an opposing side.
Makes Birmingham look like a club with ambition.
Makes us look like we're here to make up the numbers.
No CBT, no Dobson and no May come tomorrow and season starts in 5 weeks. Need to get very busy in bringing in quality for this not to look like regression or even just standing still in respect of the squad.
Fingers crossed Jones knows what he's doing and there is some kind of masterplan rather than this just being more of what we've seen for last few seasons.
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His goals kept us up last season, as would have one goal by Lyle Taylor had he played those last 6 games, and it was great to have a prolific goal scorer once again but if he has gone then he’s gone. If there are factors that have meant I’m not necessarily as concerned about it as I should be then those factors are we were giving him a free rein at first when he got most of his goals but that also meant we had gaps elsewhere (which maybe is why Nathan wouldn’t want him); Exeter away when he broke free (not something he did very often) to a one on one with the keeper wasn’t an encouraging sign for a striker (I wonder if Birmingham saw that in a montage ?); and if Birmingham supposedly have a £20 million transfer budget why we let him go for a rumoured fee of just £750k or why there wasn’t a queue of clubs after him (don’t say it’s because he is 31, he’s in his prime as a striker or a strike partner). Anyway, good luck Alfie and hopefully you’ll have a good season helping Birmingham trying to keep up with Charlton.
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I seem to remember talk on here back end of last year from someone on here that reading between the lines has a in/know Gooden that he was desperate to come here. I do wonder if this has been on the cards for sometime and Jones has therefore been quite relaxed on Alfie going.
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He was linked with us at the start of May (the month, not Alfie).roseandcrown said:I seem to remember talk on here back end of last year from someone on here that reading between the lines has a in/know Gooden that he was desperate to come here. I do wonder if this has been on the cards for sometime and Jones has therefore been quite relaxed on Alfie going.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/transfer-news/coventry-city-striker-linked-summer-29099072.amp
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Charlton have been genuinely bad at finding a striker who can do the business for us. Kermogant, Taylor and now May all knew how to put the ball in the net, and for differing reasons moved on, to leave us with a gaping hole, which in the case of the first two took years to fill.
Then there is the price. I don't know how many times Charlton are 'interested' in a player and we read on here that the parent club won't sell until they have a replacement signed up.
At the Valley, we seem to drop our knickers for the first club that waves a couple of fivers at us, and then see who is available on a free. And that is why this sale for me puts a big question mark in front of our management team talk of 'ambitions'. If we were genuinely building a squad to battle for promotion, even knowing that Alfie had been offered a much higher wage and wanted to go, we would have told him to sit still while we lok foa an offer that suits us, and line up some replacements of a higher calibre.
That neither seems to have happened and we've just accepted a low ball figure for last years leading leagu 1 goalscorer, from a potential promotion rival, says a lot about how serious we are, and for the moment, looks pretty uninspiring.
I'll be happy to be proved wrong if we pick up some decent attacking options (our current strike force of Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke is really not anyone's idea of a promotion line up) and happily eat humble pie, but lokked at today, this is a dumb ass move at every level, and says to everyone else that our best players are available for buttons.5 - Sponsored links:
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He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.11 -
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.10 -
Do you think that’ll be the case this season?Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.0 -
Possibly but we were set up to suit him which we won’t be doing next season regardless of if he’s here or not.Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.
the way we were set up/played last year is as responsible as anything for us being so shit4 -
Let's be honest, as it stands they're not even a promotion rival. We are so far off a challenge with the current squad. We're going to need some magic in this window to get us up there.ozaddick said:Squads win promotion, absolutely Idiotic decision by the club. And to a promotion rival ffs.
Such a Charlton thing to do, when will we learn???
Wankers.6 -
Was going to post something similar. Alfie got all those goals last season and what good were they when you really reflect on the season as a whole? I'm not knocking him and who doesn't love a goal scorer, but I'm just looking at the bigger picture.cafcdave123 said:
Probably but we were set up to suit him which we won’t be doing next season regardless of if he’s here or not.Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.
the way we were set up/played last year is responsible as anything for us being so shit
I do think we pandered to his playing style . But for me that had a detrimental of effect on other areas of the pitch last season. That was until Jones turned up and made the necessary changes to make us more solid.
It's no coincidence that Alfie wants away all of a sudden.
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As a line, this is almost as maddening as comparing this to when Kermorgant left, aka Charlton's 9/11. We signed someone as a main striker and gave him all the penalties and stuff and he scored a bunch of goals. Without May we'd have signed a different striker and someone else would have taken the penalties and maybe the butterfly wouldn't have flapped its wings in the rainforest and maybe Leaburn wouldn't have been injured and maybe we'd have finished higherBedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.4 -
Yeah, he was really handy last season. We're trying to do something different now though and Jones doesn't think he fits. We've brought in a systems manager to put in a system that requires full buy in from the players and from the owners. May doesn't suit it, doesn't like not suiting it, we've parted ways. What May did last season in a barely stitched together Holden team then a weird Andy Scott presents: Michael Appleton's players team in January is irrelevant in the face of what we're trying to do now. May was a bright spark in a horrible team and a reminder that your very good players will achieve nothing for you if you don't have the rest of the players around them figured out. Jones just has to get it right now.Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.
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Lets be honest, to go from 16th last season , is one almighty stretch.
Not impossible, but a big jump, and a big ask, we'd need to chuck serious dough at it.
Maybe the funding is not their from the owners , after all Charlie said if he asked the board for money for transfers , he and other investors have to match it , or his & their 'percentage stake' in Charlton would reduce , so the obvious way to raise cash is by player sales.
Godden in , to me seems like a backwards move, 5 years ago maybe.
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Pandered to his style by playing him out of position for a chunk of the season?carly burn said:
Was going to post something similar. Alfie got all those goals last season and what good were they when you really reflect on the season as a whole? I'm not knocking him and who doesn't love a goal scorer, but I'm just looking at the bigger picture.cafcdave123 said:
Probably but we were set up to suit him which we won’t be doing next season regardless of if he’s here or not.Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.
the way we were set up/played last year is responsible as anything for us being so shit
I do think we pandered to his playing style . But for me that had a detrimental of effect on other areas of the pitch last season. That was until Jones turned up and made the necessary changes to make us more solid.
It's no coincidence that Alfie wants away all of a sudden.
In Jones we trust5 - Sponsored links:
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I am surprised how naive I am.
When Alfie said look forward to seeing you at the Valley next season, I did think he meant more than twice.14 -
I only make that one visit to The Valley Next Season, when he no doubt scores the winner for Birmingham...🙄pettgra said:I am surprised how naive I am.
When Alfie said look forward to seeing you at the Valley next season, I did think he meant more than twice.0 -
We’ve also got them at home in the cupeastterrace6168 said:
I only make that one visit to The Valley Next Season, when he no doubt scores the winner for Birmingham...🙄pettgra said:I am surprised how naive I am.
When Alfie said look forward to seeing you at the Valley next season, I did think he meant more than twice.0 -
Would they risk playing him ? If they’ve got a large transfer budget and putting it into bouncing back at the first attempt then cup matches are not goi going to be a priority, particularly one where it’s Sod’s Law he will injure himself on a pitch where he covered every blade of grass last season and we’ve gone and completely replaced it with a whole new pitch that will play differentlyScoham said:
We’ve also got them at home in the cupeastterrace6168 said:
I only make that one visit to The Valley Next Season, when he no doubt scores the winner for Birmingham...🙄pettgra said:I am surprised how naive I am.
When Alfie said look forward to seeing you at the Valley next season, I did think he meant more than twice.0 -
If we’d been playing with ten men, definitely.Bedsaddick said:
And as I said before, without May we’d have been relegated.cafcdave123 said:
He was with us for one season and we finished 16th.golfaddick said:
Wow. Just wow.cafcdave123 said:Don’t give a shit about losing may, he scored goals in a meaningless wanky season.
I’d put money on it now that the team scores more goals next season than we did last.
absolutely nothing against him but let’s not pretend he’s something that he wasn’t
In 2 sentences you've said -
1) that we are going to score more goals than last season, even though we've lost 2 players that scored 31 league goals between them & the rest of the team (that remain) scored 19.
2) that we shouldn't pretend he's something he's not....and what is that precisely? Someone who has scored over 60 goals in the past 3 seasons.
despite not having May 15 teams finished above us
despite not having May 9 teams scored more goals than us
despite not having May 11 teams had a better goal difference than usHe wants the team set up to suit him and we did that last season with the above results.
Jones wants the team to work/play differently so he wants out.Our valuation has been met , good luck Alfie.But in reality, without May we would have had a different striker and probably played a different way.We might have been relegated.We might have played better as a team and finished higher.It’s impossible to know.8 -
Croydon…….again staking his claim to be our No1 doom & gloom cheerleader for the 24/25 season.Croydon said:
Let's be honest, as it stands they're not even a promotion rival. We are so far off a challenge with the current squad. We're going to need some magic in this window to get us up there.ozaddick said:Squads win promotion, absolutely Idiotic decision by the club. And to a promotion rival ffs.
Such a Charlton thing to do, when will we learn???
Wankers.
Christ almighty, you are one negative sod mate, never a word of encouragement or positivity, fuck having a seat next to you.🤨3 -
Not having May last term obviously wouldn't have meant we'd have had a 27/23 goal deficit. Someone would've been popping some goals in, but how many we'll never know. But anyway, this is all going a bit "if my uncle had tit's he'd be my aunt".
As Dave said, what we do know is that there were 15 teams finish above us last season who May weren't playing for. Something needed shaking up and we can say that Jones is doing that. If it means losing one of the players who did show up when others didn't, that'll need to be the case to help move the Club forward.
I also think May’s involvement in this move (albeit for the sake of his family (understandable)) could be being ignored a little bit. If the player wanted to go it might be another contributing factor that, added to Jones wanting to go in a different direction and the amount Hudds and Brum were offering, meant him going was a bit of a no brainer.
Personally think Jones needs a bit of support in this as we all knew things had to change and he's definitely doing that.
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The only bit of positivity I can see from this saga is that May is going to Birmingham not Huddersfield.
The Huddersfield manager has experience deploying Alfie to good effect, the Birmingham manager hasn’t had the same experience.2 -
Honestly, if your LOL count is lagging just suggest that selling a player might not be the end of the world. Someone will be along shortly.8
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Ridiculous decision to offload your top scorer, Jones better know what he's doing as he'll soon be bearing the brunt of fans unhappiness if things go tits up.
I'm pissed off but the most part of the 46 years I've been supporting us has been a litany of disappointments so won't lose too much sleep over it.12
