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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142
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The Enforceability of Pre-Contracts in Football - BM Insights - Blake Morgan
Depends on what is in the pre-contract and even if all the required clauses are there to make it watertight it can be contested, and compo paid. There is hope! Who knows a good lawyer?
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I am cretinous in your very humble opinion.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:This thread is like the most boring soap opera ever conceived.
In my mind George has gone - thanks for everything George you were a diamond and I wish you the very best in your future career.
Anybody encouraging him to renege on his deal is displaying bad form.
And any suggestion that we should pay a fee to buy him out of his deal is cretinous.
In my very humble opinion1 -
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.
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Playing a completely different game to George is why Scott saw Coventry as Dobson’s replacement. He wanted more of a ball player in that role rather than Dobson who’s main strength is ball winning (though some do underestimate his passing and ability on the ball).TEL said:
Plays a completely different game to George and I don't think Coventry is even in the same class. Going to be a huge loss to us.golfaddick said:
Coventry is/was Dobbo's replacement.seth plum said:The accounts suggest that we sell more than buy.
If Dobson goes how do we buy a player of similar calibre?
The closest in style already at the club is young Kedwell who is nowhere near ready.
Bakinson if he signed on a free isn’t a replacement, nor are Taylor or Coventry. Dobson leaving will need a decisive re adjustment in our style in order to play the cards we are left with.
I will be very surprised if we spend significant money on a Dobson replacement.1 -
Well, at least you've owned it. (Jokegrumpyaddick said:
I am cretinous in your very humble opinion.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:This thread is like the most boring soap opera ever conceived.
In my mind George has gone - thanks for everything George you were a diamond and I wish you the very best in your future career.
Anybody encouraging him to renege on his deal is displaying bad form.
And any suggestion that we should pay a fee to buy him out of his deal is cretinous.
In my very humble opinion)
As you and bolloxbolder have taken my shit personally maybe I should apologise and amend my post.
If the club pays a fee to buy back George I think that would be cretinous business.
If anybody is happy for the club to do that then they are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it.0 -
George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday0
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Perhaps…shirty5 said:George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday0 -
As it stands it will be.Pavoren007 said:
Perhaps…shirty5 said:George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday2 -
Of the season yes...as it is with every player, but we will see where this all ends very soon....🤔shirty5 said:George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday0 - Sponsored links:
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Saturday week at Wycombeeastterrace6168 said:
Of the season yes...as it is with every player, but we will see where this all ends very soon....🤔shirty5 said:George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday1 -
Ad infinitum...shirty5 said:
Saturday week at Wycombeeastterrace6168 said:
Of the season yes...as it is with every player, but we will see where this all ends very soon....🤔shirty5 said:George Dobson’s last home game this Saturday0 -
He's gone, move on, been our best player over the last few years so wish him well0
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If that's the case of course I will....BigRedEvil said:He's gone, move on, been our best player over the last few years so wish him well0 -
Surely that depends on how much the fee would be?Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Well, at least you've owned it. (Jokegrumpyaddick said:
I am cretinous in your very humble opinion.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:This thread is like the most boring soap opera ever conceived.
In my mind George has gone - thanks for everything George you were a diamond and I wish you the very best in your future career.
Anybody encouraging him to renege on his deal is displaying bad form.
And any suggestion that we should pay a fee to buy him out of his deal is cretinous.
In my very humble opinion)
As you and bolloxbolder have taken my shit personally maybe I should apologise and amend my post.
If the club pays a fee to buy back George I think that would be cretinous business.
If anybody is happy for the club to do that then they are entitled to that opinion. I don't share it.
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300K rejected by Charlton at February with only half remain of his contract. So you add much more transfer Fee for this.Henry Irving said:
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.6 -
Vjacheslav said:
300K rejected by Charlton at February with only half remain of his contract. So you add much more transfer Fee for this.Henry Irving said:
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.
Ask all you like, don't mean you are going to get it...
This is getting very tedious now....
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It’s not as simple as that though is it. There’s multiple factors that will influence the fee - the most important of which is whether Dobson still wants to move to Hungary (which no one other than George knows the answer to). If he doesn’t then the fee becomes much smaller.Vjacheslav said:
300K rejected by Charlton at February with only half remain of his contract. So you add much more transfer Fee for this.Henry Irving said:
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.Anyway it’s all semantics, we don’t know if Dobson wants to move and if he does we will never find out the actual compensation as it will be in Charlton’s interest for it to sound as little as possible and Videotons interest to sound as significant as possible.1 -
It's a real catch22
I'm sure Coventry was signed as the new Dobbo. Not necessarily as a destructive force of Dobbo but more the one to tidy up and keep things ticking over.
Interestingly the arrival of Coventry in that role has given Dobbo a bit more freedom to be a bit more expansive and he's done a good job there while still thundering into a few tackles and rousing the fans.
The problem is Dobbo was deemed not good enough then for us sowas not given the contract he wanted. IF we were to "buy out" his contract in Hungary and keep him then the club would lose face AND have to pay Dobbo what he wanted, SoI find it hard to believe that would happen.
The other issue here though is Nathan Jones. If he really wants to keep him then his board need to back him - and again risk losing a bit of face. Or would they want to piss off their shiny new manager?
So howeverway this all plays out there are people at the club who will be made to look a bit silly if he stays so they may have to let him go and cut off their own nose to spite their face.
As a fan I'd like him to stay. He's more than just a player,he strikes a chord with the fans and has a proper bromance with Alfie May.
But if you were him,or his agent, you could understand why he took the offer because it seemed there were no other offers out there (though I now know of 1 league 1 club who would love to sign him). Remember he has a young family so maybe he needs a bit of security at this stage.11 -
If we do really want to keep him, both the Hungarians and Dobson will have us over a barrel, could get very pricy.
Andy Scotts biggest screw up so far and it’s not like there’s been a shortage of those.13 - Sponsored links:
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So you keep sayingCovered End said:Quite right Vjacheslav and I can't work out why people keep saying the same things over and over again for weeks on end.
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I'm still of the view that if Dobbo REALLY didn't want to play in Hungary, he wouldn't have signed a pre-contract with them.
All this talk of forcing their hand, buying him back blah blah blah, maybe he WANTS to try something different?9 -
I also don’t understand why we’d want a player that would renege on a contract like that.sam3110 said:I'm still of the view that if Dobbo REALLY didn't want to play in Hungary, he wouldn't have signed a pre-contract with them.
All this talk of forcing their hand, buying him back blah blah blah, maybe he WANTS to try something different?0 -
I was at the shirt sponsors day with the players yesterday. I spoke to a fair few, including Dobbo. Each of them very easy to get on with and in Dobbo, you just want to give the bloke a man hug before saying goodbye.In Nathan, I trust…let’s just wait and see. All we can do as fans is ensure that Dobbo continues to appreciate we all love him at our club. Maybe the penny will drop with one or two who may have less appreciated him too, regardless how late in the day it may be. Time and learning can take you in all sorts of directions you least expected.4
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I don’t think anyone should question the integrity of @Vjacheslav contributions. For various reasons I find them and hîm to be very straight up and probably on the money. The only caveat is, he admits he hasn’t seen the contract - but he knows someone who has, so that’s a better position than all of us. He may slightly over-estimate the iron-clad legality ( Central European laws are supposed to be iron-clad and 100% clear, but they are far from that, not least because they have often been knocked up in a pub on Friday afternoon, and so open to endless interpretation by clever lawyers, just like English law). But we have no alternative but to wait and see. Me, I’m going to seek revenge on his agent, starting with a complaint to the FCA regarding claims on their website to offer financial advisory services. Thanks to @cafcfan for that heads-up😉7
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But you said things are cheaper in Hungary 😂Vjacheslav said:
300K rejected by Charlton at February with only half remain of his contract. So you add much more transfer Fee for this.Henry Irving said:
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.2 -
Strange comment (even with a smiley), as I've not said anything like this before as far as I recall and if I have it must have been months ago.Chizz said:
So you keep sayingCovered End said:Quite right Vjacheslav and I can't work out why people keep saying the same things over and over again for weeks on end.
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If somehow George Dobson remains at whatever complicated machinations and costs that were actually unnecessary, it won’t be the significant part of ‘the Club’ that ‘loses face’, because we the fans and Nathan Jones have not ever campaigned for George to leave, or create these difficult circumstances, and we are ‘the Club’ in the end.2
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Yes. it is true. Good point.Todds_right_hook said:
But you said things are cheaper in Hungary 😂Vjacheslav said:
300K rejected by Charlton at February with only half remain of his contract. So you add much more transfer Fee for this.Henry Irving said:
Nathan Jones disagrees with you, hence why he forced the club to turn down 300k and keep him.Milan said:Good luck to Dobson, I wish him the very best with his transfer, but let's move on. I'm a born optimist, I like to think we'll invest over the summer to the point where we don't miss him at all.
As much as he puts a shift in, and he's a decent league one player, I wouldn't call Dobson promotion-winning quality. I also don't see him as captain material - he's not the sort to go ballistic at or inspire his teammates and drive them on to victory.
Are there better players out there? Yes, 100s.
Can we identify and sign them? No, not if Kilkenny, McGrandles, Fiorino, T Taylor are anything to go by.
Every summer we let solid players go and say "we can do better".
Every summer we don't sign better which is why we're almost certainly heading for our lowest league finish since the 1920s.
I hope that Jones can break that cycle but we've been here before.
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