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Conor Coventry - no sign of an Ireland call up this time round.
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Not attacking Coventry, no doubt he will show quality in certain areas. If anything the problem is with Andy Scott, recruitment in general and a slight mention to the way we overrate our own signings. Re: Recruitment, we're battling relegation and our highest profile signing was someone unsuited to a relegation fight? Someone not even making the squad some weeks (along with Fiorini - the other giant upgrade).Todds_right_hook said:
Have you ever changed jobs? Did you take time to learn where the stationary cupboard was, learn the companies systems and procedures?Chunes said:
No, sorry that's wrong. The only judgement I'm passing is that the way he was lauded, he was supposed to be a tremendous upgrade and if that was true, he should be the first name on the team sheet every week. Bit of a re-write going on now.Callumcafc said:
Ridiculous to be passing this kind of judgement on a player that was signed mid season, less than eight weeks ago and played barely more than 400 minutes.Chunes said:
I think because he isn't super athletic, doesn't have a great engine and can't press high as effectively as the likes of Dobbo, Bak and Anderson.NabySarr said:
Why not? He’s played well for MK Dons in league 1 and Rotherham in the championship, so is clearly a player that can do well in different styles of football. No reason why Coventry can’t do well in this system, he played decent at Bolton and will probably be back in the starting eleven on TuesdayCloudworm said:When you consider how Jones likes to play, Coventry really isn't a good fit. I'd be surprised if he sticks around for long.
I'm sure he'll be used in rotation but I'll say it again, this guy was signed as a transformational player and he isn't.
why is it different to expect footballers to sign for a new club and are expected to settle on day 1.
they need to learn the managers tactics (not helped by him playing for Appleton, Fleming and jones all within his first month), players need to learn coaching methods etc.
watson was still living in a hotel in January? How unsettling must that be, going back to a tiny room every day after work.
he is an upgrade on mcgrandles, and what ever shite we've had recently but please cut new players some slack and let them bed in
a pompey supporter hit the nail on the head on Saturday talking about Moxon. He is a very good player but he is still bedding in.
It also remains to be seen that he's what NJones wants, that's not a certainty. If Jones still plans on playing a midfield three next season who can press with intensity, could see Coventry still resigned to a rotation role.3 -
If he's as good as he's been made out to be, he shouldn't have to wait to play in certain types of games, he should be good enough to play in any games.
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To be fair, the likes of Bakinson, REG and Small also joined in January, and they all started on Saturday, while of the other new signings Gillesphey and Ladapo were in the 18 and Ramsay would have been if he wasn't injured. And Coventry only moved from West Ham, so won't be living in a hotel either.Todds_right_hook said:
Have you ever changed jobs? Did you take time to learn where the stationary cupboard was, learn the companies systems and procedures?Chunes said:
No, sorry that's wrong. The only judgement I'm passing is that the way he was lauded, he was supposed to be a tremendous upgrade and if that was true, he should be the first name on the team sheet every week. Bit of a re-write going on now.Callumcafc said:
Ridiculous to be passing this kind of judgement on a player that was signed mid season, less than eight weeks ago and played barely more than 400 minutes.Chunes said:
I think because he isn't super athletic, doesn't have a great engine and can't press high as effectively as the likes of Dobbo, Bak and Anderson.NabySarr said:
Why not? He’s played well for MK Dons in league 1 and Rotherham in the championship, so is clearly a player that can do well in different styles of football. No reason why Coventry can’t do well in this system, he played decent at Bolton and will probably be back in the starting eleven on TuesdayCloudworm said:When you consider how Jones likes to play, Coventry really isn't a good fit. I'd be surprised if he sticks around for long.
I'm sure he'll be used in rotation but I'll say it again, this guy was signed as a transformational player and he isn't.
why is it different to expect footballers to sign for a new club and are expected to settle on day 1.
they need to learn the managers tactics (not helped by him playing for Appleton, Fleming and jones all within his first month), players need to learn coaching methods etc.
watson was still living in a hotel in January? How unsettling must that be, going back to a tiny room every day after work.
he is an upgrade on mcgrandles, and what ever shite we've had recently but please cut new players some slack and let them bed in
a pompey supporter hit the nail on the head on Saturday talking about Moxon. He is a very good player but he is still bedding in.
Of course it's early days, but if Coventry was a big money signing, it's not unreasonable to be slightly disappointed with his start here.6 -
I dont see how we can be disappointed with his start when he has played so few minutes. Apart from the Reading game I think he has shown promise when on the pitch. NJ obviously has to make short term decisions as the best may to get points as needed to stay up. Hopefully that can be achieved and we wee a lot more of Connor next season4
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He is, he’s just not fit enough to do it Saturday and Tuesday every week to the intensity that Jones wants. He started away at Bolton and was fine, and I’m pretty confident we will see him start on Tuesday, and next week he will start one of the games.J BLOCK said:If he's as good as he's been made out to be, he shouldn't have to wait to play in certain types of games, he should be good enough to play in any games.I think it’s simply a case of him not yet being fit enough to play both, usually that would mean he drops to the bench but we have Camara who is a better option against a tired defence3 -
He probably is "good enough" but the likes of Dobson and Bakinson are better at the physical, combative side which is what Jones is focusing on right now.J BLOCK said:If he's as good as he's been made out to be, he shouldn't have to wait to play in certain types of games, he should be good enough to play in any games.
It's not necessarily the case that him not playing is because he isn't good enough, it's because other players can do the job better.
If (when?) we have the luxury of trying to play more expansive football then Coventry will more than likely be favoured over Bakinson type players.
The best team isn't always the same as "the best 11 players".5 -
Jones has changed the style of the team in a number of ways which do not suit ballplayers like Coventry and L Watson.
1. He wants high energy in your face players to stop the other (better?) teams from playing.
2. He has thankfully cut right back on the playing out from the back, which cost us goals and momentum, and favours the long ball over the midfield.
3. Similarly, he gets the throwins to go forward more rather than back to the midfielders.
NJ wants to play as much as possible in the other team's half. Maybe Coventry can adapt but at present he does not fit into the side.3 -
Disagree with some of this, I think he wants players fit enough to play his pressing football, this means rotating some of the team. Coventry may start Tuesday after not featuring at all. He has done this previously6
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I'm not sure I buy the "fitness" or "rotation" argument re: Coventry. We had a clear week of training going into Pompey, so if he's out of the squad it seems fair to assume that Jones prefers others right now. If he comes in on Tuesday it's just as likely to be a case of resting others as anything else.
That said, I wouldn't be too quick to write him off either. Anderson's performances over the last 3 games show the risks of labelling players as good or bad without considering what they're actually being asked to do. Feel like Coventry could yet be an important player for us. Jones has a reputation for being tactically flexible, and I wouldn't be surprised if he looks for different skillsets at different points before the end of the season.3 -
Wasn't it stated he had concussion protocol? Did I dream that?0
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Yep, my post came from having read he had concussion.Dazzler21 said:
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I think your missing the point, he may be saving him for Tuesday. Time will tell I suppose...hezzla said:I'm not sure I buy the "fitness" or "rotation" argument re: Coventry. We had a clear week of training going into Pompey, so if he's out of the squad it seems fair to assume that Jones prefers others right now. If he comes in on Tuesday it's just as likely to be a case of resting others as anything else.
That said, I wouldn't be too quick to write him off either. Anderson's performances over the last 3 games show the risks of labelling players as good or bad without considering what they're actually being asked to do. Feel like Coventry could yet be an important player for us. Jones has a reputation for being tactically flexible, and I wouldn't be surprised if he looks for different skillsets at different points before the end of the season.0 -
Well, he was a good player last season and getting rave reviews.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
Why not? He was very poor when he was fit / playing at the start of the season.bolloxbolder said:
It's Terry Taylor's absence I can't fathom atm.Scoham said:
We have to leave someone out, I think Camara’s a better option off the bench to try to change a game with the way he can drive forward with the ball.BigRedEvil said:Surely if Coventry is a good baller we should be playing him not missing out on squads, we're fighting relegation. He should at least be making the bench
We’re not used to this many players being fit. Louie Watson, Ness, Taylor and Asiimwe also missed out, plus we’ve got Hector, Leaburn and Ramsay too.
Why would he all of a sudden turned into a good player?
That's why we signed him.
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Ultimately we were told by many fans on here that he was the dogs bollocks and an upgrade on what we had. Fiorini apparently is technically brilliant.
What we have seen is that some players quite like playing nicer football, where they don't need to battle for everything and get their new employers out of a relegation battle. The not fit to play X minutes each week should be nonsense - West Ham U23s and Man City U23s play regularly enough and have some of the best sports science set ups in the World.
Fiorini clearly isn't up to this current job.
Coventry isn't as good, right now, as people hoped he would be IMMEDIATELY upon joining us.
Neither have done enough to get us moving towards safety. Fiorini won't get the chance. Coventry if he does, needs to take it with both hands.
The fault isn't their own though. It is Andy Scott's and Michael Appleton's. Both played under Appleton. Compare them to Small and Ramsey - obviously Jones signings and if Ramsey hadn't got himself injured Tennai Watson wouldn't be right back. However Watson's best games have been the last two - under Jones.
There's a running theme here.
Jones knows more about players and management than either Scott or Appleton.
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Coventry playing tonight. Either means that since Saturday he has become great and Dobson shite, or Jones is simply rotating his midfielders and doesn't feel the need to have 5 centre mids in the matchday squad with Reg another option.7
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Its obviously rotation and also I think individual tactical approaches to each opposition.crookester said:Coventry playing tonight. Either means that since Saturday he has become great and Dobson shite, or Jones is simply rotating his midfielders and doesn't feel the need to have 5 centre mids in the matchday squad with Reg another option.4 -
Wait, there’s a stationary cupboard?0
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I did forecast this last saturday ... yes I know, clever ???crookester said:Coventry playing tonight. Either means that since Saturday he has become great and Dobson shite, or Jones is simply rotating his midfielders and doesn't feel the need to have 5 centre mids in the matchday squad with Reg another option.0 -
Yep, was a slightly too subtle dig at the overreaction to a given player being on the bench or out of the squad for a particular gamecantersaddick said:
Its obviously rotation and also I think individual tactical approaches to each opposition.crookester said:Coventry playing tonight. Either means that since Saturday he has become great and Dobson shite, or Jones is simply rotating his midfielders and doesn't feel the need to have 5 centre mids in the matchday squad with Reg another option.
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No, it was obvious.crookester said:
Yep, was a slightly too subtle dig at the overreaction to a given player being on the bench or out of the squad for a particular gamecantersaddick said:
Its obviously rotation and also I think individual tactical approaches to each opposition.crookester said:Coventry playing tonight. Either means that since Saturday he has become great and Dobson shite, or Jones is simply rotating his midfielders and doesn't feel the need to have 5 centre mids in the matchday squad with Reg another option.0 -
All cupboards are stationary. Unless they have wheels I guessFumbluff said:Wait, there’s a stationary cupboard?
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Garrymanilow said:
All cupboards are stationary. Unless they have wheels I guessFumbluff said:Wait, there’s a stationary cupboard?
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Very good tonight14
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Thought he was pretty average in the first half and immense in the second1
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Yeah absolutely superb second half.0
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GET THE FUCK IN1
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Needs piss testing.....definitely had a shit of something at half time! Poor first half, massive performance second half.1
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Where's Chunes0
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A shit or a rocket up his arse...or maybe the rocket caused the shit?Clem_Snide said:Needs piss testing.....definitely had a shit of something at half time! Poor first half, massive performance second half.0
