Karoy Anderson - new contract until 2028 (p23)

Todds_right_hook said:

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

He is still very raw and needs a loan. He runs around, challenges but his decision making is poor. Still 1,000 times better than when Appleton was around. 

Shame, if Appleton hadn't destroyed us, he would be learning his trade in a team going through the motions and not a relegation battle. He isn't to blame for that.

If Anderson needs a loan what does that say about Watson, Fiorini etc who can’t even make the bench?

Anderson has improved us in a way those two didn’t appear able to. He’s one of those young players who for me doesn’t need a loan, he’s shown he’s good enough to learn here.

I’d agree if we were fighting for promotion as he’d likely be nowhere near starting, but he’s in the team because he’s offering more than other players, despite his weaknesses. 

They won't be here next season, Anderson will be and im glad that an academy player is getting minutes over a loan but If we stay up and Anderson is the mainstay of our midfield, we will be in trouble. He needs to be managed otherwise he won't develop. One of the reasons for his dip in form was too much too soon.

we potentially have a player on our hands here, let's develop him properly. 

So where do you want Anderson sent on loan?
Which manager do you think will improve him more than Jones?
Remember L2 loans can't be recalled, so I'm presuming you're thinking of a non league club like Bromley will improve him?

Todds_right_hook said:

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

He is still very raw and needs a loan. He runs around, challenges but his decision making is poor. Still 1,000 times better than when Appleton was around. 

Shame, if Appleton hadn't destroyed us, he would be learning his trade in a team going through the motions and not a relegation battle. He isn't to blame for that.

If Anderson needs a loan what does that say about Watson, Fiorini etc who can’t even make the bench?

Anderson has improved us in a way those two didn’t appear able to. He’s one of those young players who for me doesn’t need a loan, he’s shown he’s good enough to learn here.

I’d agree if we were fighting for promotion as he’d likely be nowhere near starting, but he’s in the team because he’s offering more than other players, despite his weaknesses. 

They won't be here next season, Anderson will be and im glad that an academy player is getting minutes over a loan but If we stay up and Anderson is the mainstay of our midfield, we will be in trouble. He needs to be managed otherwise he won't develop. One of the reasons for his dip in form was too much too soon.

we potentially have a player on our hands here, let's develop him properly. 

So where do you want Anderson sent on loan?
Which manager do you think will improve him more than Jones?
Remember L2 loans can't be recalled, so I'm presuming you're thinking of a non league club like Bromley will improve him?

I'm talking about next season. I'm hoping that Jones will be allowed to bring in players he wants to replace the crap (Fiorini, watson) which means he will have limited game time.  I think a loan will do him good for a year

Yes I know.
So as I said which non league team do you think will improve him better than Nathan Jones?
(He's previously been on loan at Aldershot and lives in Whyteleafe).

I recall Wilder when he first took over Sheff Utd. They had one really decent player and the rest were athletic units. That got him promoted from League One and he improved the side from there. Now having units that are decent footballers is preferable, but the point is that you can't get out of this league with too many soft players in terms of how they compete and their fitness levels.

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

He is still very raw and needs a loan. He runs around, challenges but his decision making is poor. Still 1,000 times better than when Appleton was around. 

Shame, if Appleton hadn't destroyed us, he would be learning his trade in a team going through the motions and not a relegation battle. He isn't to blame for that.

If Anderson needs a loan what does that say about Watson, Fiorini etc who can’t even make the bench?

Anderson has improved us in a way those two didn’t appear able to. He’s one of those young players who for me doesn’t need a loan, he’s shown he’s good enough to learn here.

I’d agree if we were fighting for promotion as he’d likely be nowhere near starting, but he’s in the team because he’s offering more than other players, despite his weaknesses. 

They won't be here next season, Anderson will be and im glad that an academy player is getting minutes over a loan but If we stay up and Anderson is the mainstay of our midfield, we will be in trouble. He needs to be managed otherwise he won't develop. One of the reasons for his dip in form was too much too soon.

we potentially have a player on our hands here, let's develop him properly. 

So where do you want Anderson sent on loan?
Which manager do you think will improve him more than Jones?
Remember L2 loans can't be recalled, so I'm presuming you're thinking of a non league club like Bromley will improve him?

I'm talking about next season. I'm hoping that Jones will be allowed to bring in players he wants to replace the crap (Fiorini, watson) which means he will have limited game time.  I think a loan will do him good for a year

Yes I know.
So as I said which non league team do you think will improve him better than Nathan Jones?
(He's previously been on loan at Aldershot and lives in Whyteleafe).

Why does it have to be non league and not league 2? 

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

He is still very raw and needs a loan. He runs around, challenges but his decision making is poor. Still 1,000 times better than when Appleton was around. 

Shame, if Appleton hadn't destroyed us, he would be learning his trade in a team going through the motions and not a relegation battle. He isn't to blame for that.

If Anderson needs a loan what does that say about Watson, Fiorini etc who can’t even make the bench?

Anderson has improved us in a way those two didn’t appear able to. He’s one of those young players who for me doesn’t need a loan, he’s shown he’s good enough to learn here.

I’d agree if we were fighting for promotion as he’d likely be nowhere near starting, but he’s in the team because he’s offering more than other players, despite his weaknesses. 

They won't be here next season, Anderson will be and im glad that an academy player is getting minutes over a loan but If we stay up and Anderson is the mainstay of our midfield, we will be in trouble. He needs to be managed otherwise he won't develop. One of the reasons for his dip in form was too much too soon.

we potentially have a player on our hands here, let's develop him properly. 

So where do you want Anderson sent on loan?
Which manager do you think will improve him more than Jones?
Remember L2 loans can't be recalled, so I'm presuming you're thinking of a non league club like Bromley will improve him?

I'm talking about next season. I'm hoping that Jones will be allowed to bring in players he wants to replace the crap (Fiorini, watson) which means he will have limited game time.  I think a loan will do him good for a year

Yes I know.
So as I said which non league team do you think will improve him better than Nathan Jones?
(He's previously been on loan at Aldershot and lives in Whyteleafe).

I wouldn't loan him to a non league team.  i would loan him to a L2 team where he will be involved with a first team squad.  I think next year, he will be used here for cup games and as injury and suspension cover which will not aid his development.

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Covered End said:

Todds_right_hook said:

Scoham said:

Todds_right_hook said:

He is still very raw and needs a loan. He runs around, challenges but his decision making is poor. Still 1,000 times better than when Appleton was around. 

Shame, if Appleton hadn't destroyed us, he would be learning his trade in a team going through the motions and not a relegation battle. He isn't to blame for that.

If Anderson needs a loan what does that say about Watson, Fiorini etc who can’t even make the bench?

Anderson has improved us in a way those two didn’t appear able to. He’s one of those young players who for me doesn’t need a loan, he’s shown he’s good enough to learn here.

I’d agree if we were fighting for promotion as he’d likely be nowhere near starting, but he’s in the team because he’s offering more than other players, despite his weaknesses. 

They won't be here next season, Anderson will be and im glad that an academy player is getting minutes over a loan but If we stay up and Anderson is the mainstay of our midfield, we will be in trouble. He needs to be managed otherwise he won't develop. One of the reasons for his dip in form was too much too soon.

we potentially have a player on our hands here, let's develop him properly. 

So where do you want Anderson sent on loan?
Which manager do you think will improve him more than Jones?
Remember L2 loans can't be recalled, so I'm presuming you're thinking of a non league club like Bromley will improve him?

I'm talking about next season. I'm hoping that Jones will be allowed to bring in players he wants to replace the crap (Fiorini, watson) which means he will have limited game time.  I think a loan will do him good for a year

Yes I know.
So as I said which non league team do you think will improve him better than Nathan Jones?
(He's previously been on loan at Aldershot and lives in Whyteleafe).

I wouldn't loan him to a non league team.  i would loan him to a L2 team where he will be involved with a first team squad.  I think next year, he will be used here for cup games and as injury and suspension cover which will not aid his development.

If the board stick with the 888 plan it’s hard to see how Anderson won’t be part of that.

Same if he keeps performing for Jones. If he’s continues doing well in L1 this season then L2 next season will be a step down. I wouldn’t write him off continuing to play a big part and improve further next season (but giving him rests to avoid overplaying him).

I think jones will persuade the smt that 8+8+8=bull shit

Amos on the wing said:

Totally different player to the one that played vs Lincoln. 2 weeks ago he hid, slow to react and was poor. 

Yesterday he was excellent and had a desire to get on the ball, was quick to react to the 2nd ball and got better as the game progressed. Much like his performance up at Bolton by all accounts. Great to see and long may it continue! 

Totally disagree, he was our best player that night. He has always been brave on the ball, I think now he has a bit more between his teeth and fight. Think it helps, he is playing a bit high up the pitch, and the mistakes he was making like being caught on the ball are not hurting us as much. 

Certainly have a very good player on our hands, hence why he was starting at the start of the season, club rate him as a big asset.

Bostonaddick said:

Nathan Jones style of play suits Anderson much better than Appleton in that it plays towards his natural strengths of energy, pressing, etc.  However even in the last couple outings, where he has been good, Karoy is still not very good in possession. It hasn’t been exposed because he is playing a little farther up the pitch with two holding midfielders covering behind him.  Until he develops that side of his game, he is not a starter for a team with promotion ambitions.  Now for the rest of this season, his energy and effort might be exactly what we need to help avoid relegation but next year I imagine he will be more in a reserve role

I would say he is pretty good, the reason it looks like he isn't, as he tries to be brave on the ball, and try to make passes others won't, or take the ball under a lot of pressure. 

Chunes said:

Karoy is 3rd in the squad for assists, despite only playing in 14 games. Think he's got more quality on the ball than he's shown recently.

Agree, even at the start of the season, he was being slightly harshly treated by Charlton fans.. Do you know what it reminds me of, when Dobson first joined us, a number of fans didn't rate him at the start, then was out of the team, then when he come back in to the team, fans got behind him

Karoy is actually very good on the ball - the areas people are not so impressed with are 1 - his passing and 2 - getting caught in possession

1 - Passing - If you try to be more expansive you will have a higher percentage of failed passes.  Playing him further forward means he has someone else to tidy that side of things.  Not really a problem in my eyes as we need someone to try to be creative

2 - Caught in possession - Karoy is used to playing U21/U23 football where he has more time.  The best way to get up to speed is to get experience.  I'd rather it was with us than someone else.

He's an excellent player and is getting better every game.  His feet are incredibly skilful, he can pass with any part of his foot, has great energy and plenty of bite too.  He's going to be a very very good player and I want it to carry on in our shirt for a while.  His relationships with Danu and especially Asiimwe are great to see.  These boys could easily be the future of Charlton so let's encourage them and help them along

Amos on the wing said:

Totally different player to the one that played vs Lincoln. 2 weeks ago he hid, slow to react and was poor. 

Yesterday he was excellent and had a desire to get on the ball, was quick to react to the 2nd ball and got better as the game progressed. Much like his performance up at Bolton by all accounts. Great to see and long may it continue! 

I don't think that's quite true. He never hid, he was just being asked to play an unfamiliar role with little prep time and didn't figure it out straight away. As the Lincoln game wore on he started having more of an impact and when the game got very bitty he won a huge number of headers that were popped up from clearances. He just needed a bit of time to acclimatise  

shirty5 said:

Garrymanilow said:

Amos on the wing said:

Totally different player to the one that played vs Lincoln. 2 weeks ago he hid, slow to react and was poor. 

Yesterday he was excellent and had a desire to get on the ball, was quick to react to the 2nd ball and got better as the game progressed. Much like his performance up at Bolton by all accounts. Great to see and long may it continue! 

I don't think that's quite true. He never hid, he was just being asked to play an unfamiliar role with little prep time and didn't figure it out straight away. As the Lincoln game wore on he started having more of an impact and when the game got very bitty he won a huge number of headers that were popped up from clearances. He just needed a bit of time to acclimatise  

Played very well in the last 2 games but was not up to speed and it showed in my opinion v Lincoln 

Must have watched a very different game to you.. Would like to see the stats for the game, in terms of passes, complete passes, tackles won and how much ground was covered.

Watched a different game to the majority.
Statbank for Karoy
Lincoln 5.88
Bolton 7.65
Portsmouth 7.5

Okay, according to whoscored.com against Lincoln, he had our 2nd best rating behind Freddie, who scored the goal. He made the most tackles in the game, 2nd highest passer, success-rate wasn't that great, and that has improved in the last 2 games, but he has attempted less passes in the last 2 games and had less touches of the ball... More interestingly that who scored.com rated him higher in the Lincoln game, than Charlton fans have rated him in the last 2 games!