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Conor Coventry - late call up for Republic of Ireland squad v Armenia (p30)
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Personally, I don't like midfielders who play so deep that they keep taking the ball off defenders just to play the same pass the defender should be able to play. For the same reason I was never the biggest fan of JFC, but Jake had a bit more to his game than Coventry. Another downgrade for me I'm afraid.3
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St Jones the Baptist sends a little message to Scott the philistine.0
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So Scott's number one target already left out for tactical reasons. Jones sending the owners another message?0
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Probably not let's be honest. If it is sending a message to anyone it's the players themselves- you are not guaranteed a place because you played for a PL club.Athletico Charlton said:So Scott's number one target already left out for tactical reasons. Jones sending the owners another message?
I can't imagine Jones has had enough time or experience with these players for it to be anything more. In fact I would be very disappointed if he's already potentially writing players off like that this quickly (but I don't think he is.)
Sometimes a cigar... is just a cigar.8 -
Coventry will end up a good player, he is just not good enough to replace Dobson yet even if you view them as like for like, which I don't.
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Hal1x said:So the SMT sign Coventry to replace Dobbo?, they hope hes almost as good as Dobbo so that we won't notice, and they will save a few quid on the swap, but then Jones spots the switcharoo and realises that the fake Dobbo is not quite as good as the actual Dobbo that he still has, so he stops the genuine Dobbo going, and parks Coventry as a spare Dobbo in case the real Dobbo goes in the summer. Like a can of tyre inflator when you get a puncture.I'm George Dobson, yes, I'm the real DobsonAll you other George Dobsons are just imitatingSo won't the real George Dobson please stand upPlease stand up, please stand up?
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They are both good players that serve different purposes.A team that’s dominating the ball and looking to win week in week out suits Coventry really well - this is why Coventry has Championship experience as well as a successful loan at MK Dons where they narrowly missed the automatics.A team that needs to scrap to fight relegation suits Dobson - that’s why he shone at AFC Wimbledon while Sunderland fans opinion said he wasn’t good enough for a team that’s looking to dominate games.12
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Too much over analysis imho. He's clearly a good player, Jones wanted to try something different and no doubt wants to see the player's reaction. I'm sure he'll be in the starting 11 when Jones' team selection settles down.10
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Yeah this whole thing is just getting a bit creepy now, i think im done for a bit.1
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I seem to remember the problem at Sunderland was that he was played in an advanced role which didn't/doesn't suit him rather than it being an issue of domination.Callumcafc said:They are both good players that serve different purposes.A team that’s dominating the ball and looking to win week in week out suits Coventry really well - this is why Coventry has Championship experience as well as a successful loan at MK Dons where they narrowly missed the automatics.A team that needs to scrap to fight relegation suits Dobson - that’s why he shone at AFC Wimbledon while Sunderland fans opinion said he wasn’t good enough for a team that’s looking to dominate games.
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He's a good player IMO....needs to find a position that suits him
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The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?42
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No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.1 -
Hopefully it won’t be seen as a recruitment error a couple of years from now.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.
I’m glad we are trying to build something for the longer term. Because we failed in getting a short term to fix immediate issues shouldn’t be held against players who are hopefully here to help fulfil our longer term ambitions.9 -
Right, but if the long-term decisions get us relegated in the short-term. It also screws up our long-term ambitions.Callumcafc said:
Hopefully it won’t be seen as a recruitment error a couple of years from now.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.
I’m glad we are trying to build something for the longer term. Because we failed in getting a short term to fix immediate issues shouldn’t be held against players who are hopefully here to help fulfil our longer term ambitions.
Signing 20 Premier League ready strikers would be amazing, but you wouldn't get promoted because you have no players in the other positions. It's about recruiting a team, not just good players.2 -
Ironically a few seasons and about 6 managers ago another midfielder was hastily written off after a couple of games before winning back his place in the team, becoming a regular and then captain.
His name was George Dobson.
The player bought to replace him, (not McGrandles or Taylor, they were Dobson's replacement in previous windows) Coventry, has potential and might yet prove to be a valuable player for us but he's not impressed yet and he's not what Jones wants right now.
Long term planning is important but getting a squad together that could stay up, yes stay up FFS, was urgent so Scott has messed up regardless of whether CC is the next big thing or not.17 -
I wouldn’t write off both starting. It wouldn’t be surprising if he ends up taking Bakinson’s place. I doubt Anderson will nail down his spot, we could end up with Dobson, Coventry and Camara being our best midfield three.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.14 -
But they're different types of players. Just because they're labelled as deep midfielders doesn't mean they're particularly comparable. Coventry is supposedly someone who can be compared most to Josh Cullen in that he can put his foot in but also keep things ticking over and create as well. There's no reason he can't play alongside Dobson (like how Cullen played alongside Bielik, Pratley Field etc) apart from the fact Dobson tends to get confused by a double pivot positionally. We would have been stupid to miss out on a long term quality prospect just because we already have Dobson who has been looking like leaving at the end of the season since summer. That would have been a recruitment error.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.
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Scoham said:
I wouldn’t write off both starting. It wouldn’t be surprising if he ends up taking Bakinson’s place. I doubt Anderson will nail down his spot, we could end up with Dobson, Coventry and Camara being our best midfield three.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.
I'd like to see that midfield 3 before the end of the season if they're all fully fit at once. Think that's got the right kind of balance if we aren't going to go to the diamond.1 -
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I thought Anderson did well last night, but yeah Coventry should have been a bench option with 20 to go3
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Neither Coventry or Watson are that fit, neither seem to be able to last 90 minutes. I took Jones comments to mean that they wouldn’t be able to give him everything rather than he was dropping them because they’ve been poor. Imo Coventry has been our best midfielder in the last 2 games (a very low bar!)I think we could have really done with either of them from the bench. We were hitting too many long balls and playing no forward passes into strikers feet, which Aneke thrives off. Coming off the bench is a lot easier, remember Coventry’s debut cameo, and we could have done with that yesterday1
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Yes but, right now looking at last night, were we missing Coventry or a replacement for CBT?Garrymanilow said:
But they're different types of players. Just because they're labelled as deep midfielders doesn't mean they're particularly comparable. Coventry is supposedly someone who can be compared most to Josh Cullen in that he can put his foot in but also keep things ticking over and create as well. There's no reason he can't play alongside Dobson (like how Cullen played alongside Bielik, Pratley Field etc) apart from the fact Dobson tends to get confused by a double pivot positionally. We would have been stupid to miss out on a long term quality prospect just because we already have Dobson who has been looking like leaving at the end of the season since summer. That would have been a recruitment error.SELR_addicks said:
No it's not. He will be a good player there's no doubting that.Garrymanilow said:The bloke has made 4 starts under three different managers and picked up a concussion along the way to boot. Hardly enough time to make a judgment on him. Pretty bleak that some people are so obsessed with hating someone in the ownership that they're writing Coventry off as collateral damage in their complaints regarding the Dobson situation. Hardly Coventry's fault is it?
But he isn't what we needed for the rest of the season when we already have Dobson and we've spent a lot of resources on him, so that's clearly a huge recruitment error.
The funds we have need to be allocated correctly.
Yes, we could have Coventry and Dobson starting together, but it doesn't solve any problems that we have. We're crying out for creativity and we signed sideways passers.
Again Coventry COULD be an excellent player in his role, but he isn't going to save us from relegation. A hold-up striker or creative midfielder may have.0 -
We have too many midfielders, that's the reality. Yes you want depth, but there's no point having a glut of players in one position, at the expense of weaknesses elsewhere. The injuries certainly complicated things, but it's mainly down to choices by presumably Scott and Appleton.
If Taylor and Camara had stayed fit, then I doubt we would have brought in Bakinson. Scott expected/wanted Dobson to leave, so we brought in Coventry. Appleton didn't rate L Watson, so brought in Fiorini as he had worked with him before, but Fiorini was way off match fitness, and we weren't able to send Watson back so he's still with us.0 -
Bakinson had a very good game last night got forward had a couple of good efforts in the first half .. and he was at the other end making tackles good gameHartleypete said:How on earth does Bakinson get in ahead of Coventry, already starting to losing faith in the chosen one.2 -
RonnieMoore said:
Bakinson had a very good game last night got forward had a couple of good efforts in the first half .. and he was at the other end making tackles good gameHartleypete said:How on earth does Bakinson get in ahead of Coventry, already starting to losing faith in the chosen one.Are you also Bakinson’s agent alongside being a wind up merchant?3 -
Bakinson and Anderson were both dreadful yesterday2
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I would like to see a midfield 3 of Coventry, Dobson and Camara. Dobbo as the 6, Cov as the 8 and Camara more advanced in a 10.14
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Yes I would like to see that midfield!Covered_End_Lad said:I would like to see a midfield 3 of Coventry, Dobson and Camara. Dobbo as the 6, Cov as the 8 and Camara more advanced in a 10.
Our maybe 4 1 2 1 2
Isted
Ramsey
Jones
Gilsphey
Edun
Dobson
Coventry
Camara
May
Chuks
Freddie4 -
Definite wind up for sure now.RonnieMoore said:
Bakinson had a very good game last night got forward had a couple of good efforts in the first half .. and he was at the other end making tackles good gameHartleypete said:How on earth does Bakinson get in ahead of Coventry, already starting to losing faith in the chosen one.
His 'good efforts' in the first half. One was a shot that got blocked by the defender and was an easy save for the keeper, and his other attempt he dragged his shot wide.0
