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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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Airman Brown said:
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.Callumcafc said:
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Sorry but that is nonsense.Callumcafc said:
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.DDOUBLEE said:Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all nowHis name is Chris Powell.Is that a more satisfactory answer?
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
Pretty sure PV said something about this at the Modpod gig back in May, that he had to intervene to stop Jimenez pulling the plug. They knew how bad that squad was and most of those players knew they were going so had no incentive.
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Was Powell nearly sacked?Callumcafc said:
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.DDOUBLEE said:Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all nowHis name is Chris Powell.Is that a more satisfactory answer?1 -
Callumcafc said:
This Fergie geezer is no Busby…Mrkinski said:
This geezer is no Fergie. Btw any chance of the Covered End Choir singing a new song tonight - The Pretenders ‘Brass in pocket’ with lyrics changed to ‘hands in pocket’. Ok I’ll get my coat (useful as it’s going to be a bit cold tonight).DONVANVLIET said:It really feels like there is absolutely no way back from here for Appleton regardless of the next few results, can anyone think of any occasions where manager as been at this point so close to the brink then managed to turn it around and go to have success?Alex Ferguson
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Because he made sure he was matey with Martin Edwards the owner, he could struggle and even lost to Charlton Athletic 2-0 where Paul Williams a little whippet from the lower leagues scored a brace at Selhurst park. He played Lee Sharpe at RB.
A win at Oxford shortly after thanks to the unassuming Mark Robins who has done a great job at Coventry and the rest is history.
You would never get 3 years now at a 'big' club and tread water.
We've had Fergie time, will we have Apple time if we struggle against the Cobblers ?
Will he get the Boot ? Have Charlton lost their sole and are they instep with the Charlton fans who are turning ugly ?
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Callum do you think MA is the right man for the Charlton job? As in, will get us promoted if given time? Genuine question.
Asking because I respect your opinion, but personally I don't think he is, was or will ever be the right fit for us, and have felt that way since day 1.
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I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.13
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Crapples out. Was never the right man for this club. Cant be allowed to go on any longer.5
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There have definitely been comments about his tattoos and how he looks. There haven't been many though.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.0 -
He wasnt nearly sacked. Not even close to being so.Callumcafc said:
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.DDOUBLEE said:Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all nowHis name is Chris Powell.Is that a more satisfactory answer?1 -
No……that was Bill Shankly. 😏Braziliance said:Alex Ferguson had managed Aberdeen before United and won European cups, League titles and Scottish cups.
Michael Appleton before Charlton has let's see, mustered a 25% win rate at Pompey, 16% at Blackpool, 26% at Blackburn, 24% in his second attempt at Blackpool and now has a 29% at Charlton. A 37% rate overall, gracefully stat padded by his league 2 Oxford side, where it's the only club he's managed more wins than losses.
It's an utterly extreme, and ridiculous comparison. I can't stand that Fergie is used as a benchmark in giving a manager time among football fans, he is a complete exception, one of a kind, and one of, if not the best manager we will ever see.1 -
MA only lost 2 of his first 16Airman Brown said:
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.Callumcafc said:
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Sorry but that is nonsense.Callumcafc said:
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.DDOUBLEE said:Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all nowHis name is Chris Powell.Is that a more satisfactory answer?
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
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If one assumes 3 points for a win across all his 453 games in management so far, then according to Wiki his record is 1.39 points per game, which would leave us on 64 points over 46 games. Nothing special but NOT a serial loser as some insist. He's still won more games than he's lost. Fact.
I'm not saying he should continue with us because I don't, but I can't understand why some still feel the need to rewrite the record books when all that matters is his record with us.
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- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.8 -
Agreed. He was making an observation about keyboard warriors, albeit an unnecessary oneFishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.1 -
And it’s amusing that all the keyboard warriors are offended by it. Makes me laugh that some in the football world seem to think they can whatever want.Orpingtony said:
Agreed. He was making an observation about keyboard warriors, albeit an unnecessary oneFishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.2 -
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.3 -
I've seen and heard tonnes of comments about how he looks, his tattoos, baldness, etc. All of which cross a line and he is right to defend himself.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.9 -
I've tried to get an understanding of what's going on but in all honesty, I haven't a clue!
Sounds like something major has gone down, can anyone give me a brief overview, please?2 -
Yeah the man who was sacked wasn't actually sacked but could now be sacked before Saturday although that may not be the only sacking as the man who sacked and then unsacked the man who was sacked is apparently going to be sacked by the men who can sack people and then we're going to get Alex Ferguson in as manager but we won't sack him in his first season.sillav nitram said:I've tried to get an understanding of what's going on but in all honesty, I haven't a clue!
Sounds like something major has gone down, can anyone give me a brief overview, please?20 -
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.Chunes said:
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, c*** and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.
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I don’t buy the “right fit” narrative in the first place which I think is the major point of difference more than anything else.Manic_mania said:Callum do you think MA is the right man for the Charlton job? As in, will get us promoted if given time? Genuine question.
Asking because I respect your opinion, but personally I don't think he is, was or will ever be the right fit for us, and have felt that way since day 1.
You either win games or lose games. The right fit manager is the one that wins games. You don’t keep a losing manager around because they’re a nice bloke.On Appleton specifically, I think he’s an improvement on Holden and on Garner.I don’t think he’s the best manager we could’ve possibly got but we could also have someone a lot worse.I think someone like Duff could well be better but I’m not stupid enough to be oblivious to the possibility that we would end up even worse because nothing is guaranteed.On balance, given the current circumstances, I think he’s worth sticking with for a bit longer.4 -
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I haven't said anything personal about Appleton so why would I take it personally? What actually annoyed me was the sudden pile on of everyone backing him up, as if we have a fanbase full of trolls when that couldn't be further from the truth.FishCostaFortune said:
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.Chunes said:
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.1 -
Ah the internet and how it polarises people. I’m sure we can agree that the reality is somewhere in the middle.Chunes said:
I haven't said anything personal about Appleton so why would I take it personally? What actually annoyed me was the sudden pile on of everyone backing him up, as if we have a fanbase full of trolls when that couldn't be further from the truth.FishCostaFortune said:
I mean this is playground stuff. You seem to be taking Appleton’s one ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face comment’ much more personally than he has taken the various amount of abuse he has been given.Chunes said:
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
Maybe again it’s just me but I find it weird that a very vocal portion of our most family oriented, nicest fanbase in the country, can call someone they really don’t know a prick, cunt and abuse how he looks based on being introverted and not great at his job and then seemingly get so upset at a factual comment made in retort.There are both a few people calling him names and a few people backing him up and that’s about it - 90% are keeping the personals out of it.4 -
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.Chunes said:
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
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Out of all three, Appleton has the worst winning percentage at an incredible 29.6% and all at a very similar number of games played. Holden is way out in front with 37% (I know you love a stat Callum!)Callumcafc said:
I don’t buy the “right fit” narrative in the first place which I think is the major point of difference more than anything else.Manic_mania said:Callum do you think MA is the right man for the Charlton job? As in, will get us promoted if given time? Genuine question.
Asking because I respect your opinion, but personally I don't think he is, was or will ever be the right fit for us, and have felt that way since day 1.
You either win games or lose games. The right fit manager is the one that wins games. You don’t keep a losing manager around because they’re a nice bloke.On Appleton specifically, I think he’s an improvement on Holden and on Garner.I don’t think he’s the best manager we could’ve possibly got but we could also have someone a lot worse.I think someone like Duff could well be better but I’m not stupid enough to be oblivious to the possibility that we would end up even worse because nothing is guaranteed.On balance, given the current circumstances, I think he’s worth sticking with for a bit longer.
Genuine, polite question - Where have you seen the improvement?1 -
Appleton came across far better if you watch the 17 minute interview on the OS, than he did in text. He was smiling & not aggressive.8
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To be honest, I preferred the aggressive version!Covered End said:Appleton came across far better if you watch the 17 minute interview on the OS, than he did in text. He was smiling & not aggressive.1 -
But if people genuinely find this offensive, then why is it never challenged at the time.swordfish said:
Describing someone as a useless piece of shit is downright offensive. You wouldn't take exception to someone saying that to your face then? Well they wouldn't would they? and that's the point he was making. Fair comment in my opinion.Chunes said:
We arguably have one of the most family oriented, nicest fanbases in the country and for me the comment and subsequent damnation were unneeded. Every public figurehead, particularly of such a failing ship as ours, is going to get comments in 2024 and something about tattoos or whatnot hardly warrants a "say it to my face" in a press conference.FishCostaFortune said:
- I would say referring to how someone looks would definitely count as personal abuse.Chunes said:I just want to confirm again, nobody on this entire site has seen any personal abuse of MA anywhere? Because not even MA himself had seen it. He said someone told him about it. And then he proceeded to offer these apparently imaginary people out.- Maybe it’s just me, but someone saying, ‘they wouldn’t say it to my face’ (which is true for the most part) really is not offering someone out.
Someone on here even said he probably got beaten up or picked on as a kid, or words to that effect, in a ridiculous half baked attempt to psycho analyse his character now. Some of it seems absurd, unnecessary and OTT, but I guess what one finds crosses a line another doesn't.
I have never seen someone on here, when a poster has said "MA is a useless prick" say in reply: "That's offensive / out of order" etc.
All other offensive behaviour is challenged on this forum?0 -
An overview of what’s happening with the manager, who has argued with who, or of the random and unrelated mention of players?sillav nitram said:I've tried to get an understanding of what's going on but in all honesty, I haven't a clue!
Sounds like something major has gone down, can anyone give me a brief overview, please?
This is three threads in one!0 -
Four if I start banging on about the hundred….IAgree said:
An overview of what’s happening with the manager, who has argued with who, or of the random and unrelated mention of players?sillav nitram said:I've tried to get an understanding of what's going on but in all honesty, I haven't a clue!
Sounds like something major has gone down, can anyone give me a brief overview, please?
This is three threads in one!0 -
How many did he win?TeeC said:
MA only lost 2 of his first 16Airman Brown said:
Powell did win his first four games, which is context, as is that awful 2010/11 squad. He was certainly at risk in the spring of 2011.Callumcafc said:
Fairly sure Airman’s been on here in the past and said that Jimenez had to be talked out of sacking him…Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Sorry but that is nonsense.Callumcafc said:
Almost 15 years ago, there was a manager in League One who went on a run of 2 wins in 19 games. He was almost sacked by his club but he hung on to his job and the following season he got his team promoted as champions.DDOUBLEE said:Michael Appleton being compared with SAF 😂😂😂 absolutely seen it all nowHis name is Chris Powell.Is that a more satisfactory answer?
No-one as far as I am aware ever said Powells role at the club was in danger when he was first appointed.
Wasn't it accepted that he was just going to see that season out and make a decision on who he would keep? (And it didn't take him long to work out not many were worth keeping!)
how did the next 10 go?1
