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Scott Fraser - pg 36 - left by mutual consent
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Quite . A slow , low tempo, one footed number ten provides very few options .Chunes said:
Yeah, I'm not saying they have to play every role, but they should be able to play more than one. Aribo & Pratley (especially the latter) could do a job into multiple roles in multiple formations.Scoham said:
Not defending Fraser but your CMs will usually have different roles whatever the formation. We wouldn’t have done as well under Bowyer had Aribo been the holding midfielder and Pratley the 10 in his diamond for example. I know what you mean but not properly thinking through how our team will fit together has been one of many issues in the last few seasons.Chunes said:Haven't got much time for these midfielders who need very specific roles in specific formations in order to perform. If you're that kind of player, you better be absolutely amazing.3 -
What are you suggesting, that he's since found out he's a jaffa and has got the hump?Covered End said:Didn't his wife have a baby last year - often seems a factor in a player losing form?1 -
It must be bad when Louie Watson is starting ahead of him2
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there is at least one midfielder i know of that we want to sign and the parent club will only do a permanent but we need to offload a permanent first - fraser could be that man ?4
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Not even brought on for 5-10 mins to replace tired legs yesterday?2
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What has formations got to do with him playing poor balls when he is supposed to be our most talented player? Doesn't work hard enough and a luxury player with zero luxury says it all. Having to play too many youngsters, he is one of the experienced players who should be stepping up, but isn't.2
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grumpyaddick said:Not even brought on for 5-10 mins to replace tired legs yesterday?
That was surprising, but a consequence of his terrible Oxford cameo I imagine0 -
If ( as I suspect) it's Lewis Bate that you refer to it would make sense as he is also left footed. I wouldn't want us releasing Fraser unless we have a similar player lined up.DOUCHER said:there is at least one midfielder i know of that we want to sign and the parent club will only do a permanent but we need to offload a permanent first - fraser could be that man ?
Another name which gets often quoted here is Burton's Joe Powell
Ideally I would want two left footers in our midfield options especially when we don't have a left footed wide man.0 -
A few enjoyable moments from him and seems a decent bloke, but we need to build a better, more resilient and combative team, so would be wishing him well with an enthusiastic wave if indeed he is the makeweight to a better option. 🤞0
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https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.3 -
Like those comments, Fraser hasn't reached the heights we expected and he just doesn't have the energy we require0
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Not sure we’ll be able to move him on, would I maybe he’s on decent money and we’re probably still depreciating his transfer fee so would want some money for him (or we’ll need to accept a loss).0
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Best thing Appleton has said in monthsScoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.1 -
Can we add a clause that he has to take Appleton with him?4
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He could have added "application" and "desire" to what we need in the midfield too.Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.3 -
LOL! I would to both like and LOL that one1tangoflash said:Can we add a clause that he has to take Appleton with him?0 -
Looking forward to the summer when our new manager says he wants a "creative, ball playing Midfielder who can help us build up the pitch and chip on with a couple of goals."Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.0 -
That’s still not really proven to be Fraser, though. He’s been another failure of recruitment. When we signed him he was talked up as a top League One player (“best midfielder in the division”, wasn’t it?). Even last year, though, he’s never got near that kind of level amd it was always a kind of fanciful claim given Ipswich deemed him surplus to requirements. It’s a shame. I don’t hold him any ill will, necessarily, but I don’t think he’s ever looked good enough to be the main man in midfield for team trying to get promoted.SDAddick said:
Looking forward to the summer when our new manager says he wants a "creative, ball playing Midfielder who can help us build up the pitch and chip on with a couple of goals."Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.1 -
Which is one reason we’ve loaned Fiorini.SDAddick said:
Looking forward to the summer when our new manager says he wants a "creative, ball playing Midfielder who can help us build up the pitch and chip on with a couple of goals."Scoham said:https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-wont-stand-in-his-way-michael-appleton-on-charlton-midfielders-future-after-absence-from-squad-against-peterborough/MA confirms Fraser can leave. He wants more energy, pace and athleticism in the midfield. Also expects some of our young players in that position will improve over the next 18 months.
I agree with that, although we know he’s capable of more (his goals last season for example) central midfield has been a problem this season. I don’t think his playmaking is so good we should build a team around him.
No doubt he’s on a good wage too, I’m sure that budget can be better spent.
I imagine wages and expected playing time are being taken into account. Fraser hasn’t done enough to be a regular starter, neither is he worth keeping if he’s one of our biggest earners.2 -
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His last good game for us was against Man United, an entire year ago1
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He's not creative. He slows the game down and picks the easy pass.
He's supposed to be one of the best midfielders in the league and yet has 6 assists in 70 league appearances for us. Roughly an average of 3.5 person season.
He's got 0 assists in 16 league appearances this season. Watson has 2 in 17.
Yeah he got a few more in the EFL Trophy, hardly a reason to keep him.9 -
Rumour his Hearts move is off0
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They realised they'd been looking at his stats for last season.Gribbo said:Rumour his Hearts move is off1 -
The local paper said the problem was at the Charlton end.0
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Perhaps the new manager might want him2
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Shame for Scott and his wife he couldn't get a move to the Jam tarts and it must have taken the gloss off still being at the toxic valley.0
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Quite possibly but if he earns as much as is rumoured I suspect the SMT might want at least some of those wages off the books and they will therefore take that decision before they appoint a new head coach.Chunes said:Perhaps the new manager might want him
Also from a human perspective blocking it at the 11th hour wouldn't seem right, if as suggested, he wants to move back there for family reasons.1 -
He was at tynecastle last night, everything agreed with the club and player but waiting for Charlton to say it’s done1
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He might be in for a long wait - it takes us a month to sack a manager.cafcdave123 said:He was at tynecastle last night, everything agreed with the club and player but waiting for Charlton to say it’s done7
