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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142
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We've had "no midfield" in the last 2 games, let's either blame Dobson or have a think as to what has actually caused the problem.
Ah yes, the industrious Louis Watson has been replaced by the ambling Scott Fraser.6 -
Well, let's hope the gaffer "sees the light" & rectifies this on Tuesday evening.Covered End said:We've had "no midfield" in the last 2 games, let's either blame Dobson or have a think as to what has actually caused the problem.
Ah yes, the industrious Louis Watson has been replaced by the ambling Scott Fraser.
We weren't doing too badly before SF returned to the squad...1 -
I really hope he stays. If he does go though, I am absolutely confident that he will go to a club that is higher up the league than us and that he will get regular first team football and be a success at his new club. Whatever George Dobson is, he is not a problem.ElfsborgAddick said:
Possibly soon find out in January, he's on the last year of his contract if I'm not mistaken.charlton_hero said:I'll say it, I think he's overrated much like Semedo was. I think we might do better without him.10 -
George just needs a rest. The next booking will provide that but he should be given a break now.0
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The guy gives his all and as others have said needs a bit of a rest, but with Taylor and McGrandles both in the treatment room, I can’t see that happening too soon.Most importantly he needs a bit of a fellow engine roomer alongside him…1
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Callumcafc said:Off the boil again.Part of me is hoping he gets a booking soon so we can see how we play without him. I don’t think it’d be as bad as some fear…
This is the real "we'll know where we really are test".
For the last two seasons Dobson has been an absolute necessity in the midfield, until we can play without a fairly limited but committed battling defensive midfield shield we won't be going very far up the football leagues.
*And no, before some of you start handing out wanky lols, this doesn't mean I don't rate him or want him droped*3 -
mmmm…… love a wanky lol2
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There’s another 5 games before it increases to 10 bookings.Covered End said:Dobson is clearly holding back a bit to avoid another yellow card and suspension.
He's been less effective in the last 2 games because he's also attempting to cover most of the midfield, whilst Fraser is doing an impression of an asthmatic geriatric.1 -
Apples should just tell him to go out there and get a booking and get it out of the way. A half hearted Dobson isn't good for us.
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Our team is a soft touch, has been for multiple seasons so yes lets rip Dobson out of that starting 11, I am sure that will solve the problem.
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Not sure we can put his performances dow to worrying about a yellow. He absolutely clattered a Bolton player on the edge of their box in the first half and should have been booked for it.
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George Dobson has his limitations but he's one of the few players in our squad that look like they really give a fuck. He flew into a challenge about 30 minutes in which he had no right to win, but he did, and it galvanised the team into a more spirited showing in the latter stages of the first half. Anyone who thinks that Dobbo is overrated will probably see just how much shitter we are without him when his contract runs out at the end of this season.14
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I hope they're not expecting Dobbo to run, tackle and cover the ground he does for 100 minutes x46 games. Looked tired on Tuesday.0
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It's the same as the old Stockley debate.
Yes, he's a good League One player. Does he lead a promotion chasing team looking at playing in the Championship? I don't think so.0 -
He's overdoing it, runs out of position a lot and tries too hard. Whether that's his own decision making or a tactic I don't know but he has no control over the midfield. Which is a shame cause early doors I thought he looked to be having his best season.
As soon as he plays decent midfielders he has an off game. I don't think he can play in a 2 man midfield personally. I think the best way to utilise him would be behind two midfielders as an anchor. Our defense is piss poor weak and would give Camara and Watson more freedom ahead of him.
Either way it's another season of midfield fragility and Dobson has been an integral part of this midfield for a few seasons now, got to figure out a way to actually control the ball, especially at home when we seem to have no chance of doing it away.2 -
He's our only player that shows any aggression in winning the ball back. Take him out and we'd be wanting to sub him back on 15 mins later.6
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Exactly and there lies the problem. As a number of posters have said, when our 'best' player is a player like Dobson there are serious issues. He's a limited work horses who shows glimpses of sporadic quality.Chunes said:He's our only player that shows any aggression in winning the ball back. Take him out and we'd be wanting to sub him back on 15 mins later.
In his defense, I think similar to Jones, he's suffering from lack of leadership around him.
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I think at this level, all our players are limited and some are more limited than othersBraziliance said:
Exactly and there lies the problem. As a number of posters have said, when our 'best' player is a player like Dobson there are serious issues. He's a limited work horses who shows glimpses of sporadic quality.Chunes said:He's our only player that shows any aggression in winning the ball back. Take him out and we'd be wanting to sub him back on 15 mins later.
In his defense, I think similar to Jones, he's suffering from lack of leadership around him.0 -
And imbalanced squad building, signing players who can either defend or attack and not do both. Bolton have midfield and attacking players who are robust and don't back out of one-on-ones, we don't. We either have a Dobbo or a Fraser/Kirk.Braziliance said:
Exactly and there lies the problem. As a number of posters have said, when our 'best' player is a player like Dobson there are serious issues. He's a limited work horses who shows glimpses of sporadic quality.Chunes said:He's our only player that shows any aggression in winning the ball back. Take him out and we'd be wanting to sub him back on 15 mins later.
In his defense, I think similar to Jones, he's suffering from lack of leadership around him.0 -
Dobson is (usually) very good at aspects of midfield play. No Championship side would sign him though, of that I'm fairly certain2
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Dobson can be a problem but isn’t THE problem. He plays hero ball but it doesn’t get noticed as he’s defensive not attacking. He needs a midfielder alongside him who can defend. When he has that Dobson is much better positionally and had started to show how good he can be with the ball at his feet. Personally though I think he’s knackered, I hope he gets booked soon so he can be forced to rest and then get some of his aggression back without fear of suspension1
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Dobson is and should be the first name on the team sheet every week. We have nothing like him in the rest of the squad. The problems lie with the players around him. We are lucky to have him. But his contract is up this season, so we may well find out how we will cope without him, would be a massive loss.6
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Fraser is a fraud? .... incredibly harsh.cabbles said:Croydon said:Twice this week he's had to partner with Fraser and twice this week our opposition have had total control of the middle of the park.
Whoever is more ar fault, the pairing doesn't work
This and this. Fraser is a fraud. Dobson is probably the only player to come through the last 2 seasons with any credibility. I’m not blinkered to his ability, but he’s much, much better than what he’s had to put up with alongside him in the last 2 years. It’s been abysmal. Gilbey, Fraser, Morgan, Clare (as a CM), Watson (the palace one), Payne, the list goes on.Covered End said:Dobson is clearly holding back a bit to avoid another yellow card and suspension.
He's been less effective in the last 2 games because he's also attempting to cover most of the midfield, whilst Fraser is doing an impression of an asthmatic geraiatric.
Asthmatic he is though and good reason as to why he took so long to recover fully from Covid.
What he doesn't have is an engine. In a midfield 3 with the right combination of players he can be very effective. In a 2 though, well, he doesn't have that necessary engine.
How many of our players can see moves and have the ability to open up a defence like Fraser? Or to be the outlet to hold possession under pressure? Many seem to have forgotten already, for example, the perfectly weighted killer pass at Lincoln that completely cut open their defence for TC to square for May's goal. That's typical of Fraser, right? But expecting him to chase everything for 90 minutes like Dobson or even Alfie May,, well, it's not going to happen.
It's up to the manager to use him in a system that makes the most of his abilities.
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Fraser reminds me of Morgan. Able to open a defence with his ability and vision. difference between him and Morgan is that Fraser can do it more consistently and Morgan has more energy than Fraser.0
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I think Fraser’s head works ten times faster than his feet. He’s a good player but not good enough for where we want to be. Dobson and Watson are the pairing that works.6
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Maybe the answer is a midfield 3 of Fraser, Watson and Camara with Dobson going back to his roots as a CB and replacing Hector.0
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Has Dobson played CB previously?Athletico Charlton said:Maybe the answer is a midfield 3 of Fraser, Watson and Camara with Dobson going back to his roots as a CB and replacing Hector.0 -
In youth football, converted to midfield when he stepped up to seniors, presumably because of his height?se9addick said:
Has Dobson played CB previously?Athletico Charlton said:Maybe the answer is a midfield 3 of Fraser, Watson and Camara with Dobson going back to his roots as a CB and replacing Hector.2 -
Read some of people's views on Fraser and I wonder if we're watching the same player. Can count on one hand the flashes of this so called 'brilliance' he's had throughout his Charlton career6
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But how many of those are we carrying ?SELR_addicks said:It's the same as the old Stockley debate.
Yes, he's a good League One player. Does he lead a promotion chasing team looking at playing in the Championship? I don't think so.0
