ECB’s “The Hundred”

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/3656891

The 2023 edition will be played as a ODI (50-over) competition - what a great idea before the ODI World Cup!

That has very little to do with The Hundred

It has a lot to do with the Hundred and if you cant see that you are missing the point! The existing ODI competition is hugely compromised by the Hundred as was the Ashes. And most if not all the of the ENG ODI squad wold have better prep playing the same format before the WC not some barstardised format

The Asia Cup 2023 has nothing at all to do with The Hundred.  It's an international competition, contested by Pakistan, Sri Lanka,  Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India and Nepal and started after The Hundred finals' day.  No domestic teams take part.  No individuals are excluded from taking part in the latter through playing in the former. 

It has as much to do with The Hundred as the FA Cup has to the Copa América. 

I thought it was to do with the fact those countries are playing 50 over cricket to prepare for the world cup. Asia cup is normally 20 overs. During our summer we could of been doing the same but instead choose to play a version of cricket no one else plays. 

We should be playing ODIs - specifically, 50-over ODIs - at the same time as the Asia Cup.  The timing of The Hundred doesn't prevent this. 

With regards to the format of the Asia Cup, it's not quite right to say that the Asia Cup is normally a T20 competition.  It started as a 50-over competition, but, more recently, it has alternated between 20 and 50 overs.  It seems a very sensible idea to be playing it in 50-over format this year. 

That'll be because the World Cup is 50 overs

Do you recall the domestic ODI tournament, that IS played at the same time as the Hundred?

If you're suggesting the Asia Cup is a good pre-World Cup warm-up tournament, I agree.  If you're suggesting England should play more 50-over games in the warm-up to the World Cup, I agree.  But if you're suggesting the Asia Cup is the equivalent of a domestic competition, I don't agree.  

I think England should be playing 50-over international games in the immediate aftermath of The Hundred, as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are doing. Not playing so many T20Is, which they are doing; and not playing low-standard, county List A games.  

But, of course, this has nothing to do with The Hundred.  I think the four T20Is against New Zealand aren't a great use of time, the following seven ODIs are a much better use of time. 

kentaddick said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/3656891

The 2023 edition will be played as a ODI (50-over) competition - what a great idea before the ODI World Cup!

That has very little to do with The Hundred

It has a lot to do with the Hundred and if you cant see that you are missing the point! The existing ODI competition is hugely compromised by the Hundred as was the Ashes. And most if not all the of the ENG ODI squad wold have better prep playing the same format before the WC not some barstardised format

The Asia Cup 2023 has nothing at all to do with The Hundred.  It's an international competition, contested by Pakistan, Sri Lanka,  Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India and Nepal and started after The Hundred finals' day.  No domestic teams take part.  No individuals are excluded from taking part in the latter through playing in the former. 

It has as much to do with The Hundred as the FA Cup has to the Copa América. 

I thought it was to do with the fact those countries are playing 50 over cricket to prepare for the world cup. Asia cup is normally 20 overs. During our summer we could of been doing the same but instead choose to play a version of cricket no one else plays. 

We should be playing ODIs - specifically, 50-over ODIs - at the same time as the Asia Cup.  The timing of The Hundred doesn't prevent this. 

With regards to the format of the Asia Cup, it's not quite right to say that the Asia Cup is normally a T20 competition.  It started as a 50-over competition, but, more recently, it has alternated between 20 and 50 overs.  It seems a very sensible idea to be playing it in 50-over format this year. 

That'll be because the World Cup is 50 overs

Do you recall the domestic ODI tournament, that IS played at the same time as the Hundred?

If you're suggesting the Asia Cup is a good pre-World Cup warm-up tournament, I agree.  If you're suggesting England should play more 50-over games in the warm-up to the World Cup, I agree.  But if you're suggesting the Asia Cup is the equivalent of a domestic competition, I don't agree.  

I think England should be playing 50-over international games in the immediate aftermath of The Hundred, as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are doing. Not playing so many T20Is, which they are doing; and not playing low-standard, county List A games.  

But, of course, this has nothing to do with The Hundred.  I think the four T20Is against New Zealand aren't a great use of time, the following seven ODIs are a much better use of time. 

I don't think it will be this world cup, but maybe at the next one England will bomb out super early and we'll finally realise that we can't be having the only 50 over games in this country as glorified 2nd xi games.

Maybe. 

But it would be interesting - perhaps on another thread - to compare whether World Cup participants have played enough (whatever "enough" is) domestic 50-over games in the lead-up to World Cup.  There don't seem to be many. 

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/3656891

The 2023 edition will be played as a ODI (50-over) competition - what a great idea before the ODI World Cup!

That has very little to do with The Hundred

It has a lot to do with the Hundred and if you cant see that you are missing the point! The existing ODI competition is hugely compromised by the Hundred as was the Ashes. And most if not all the of the ENG ODI squad wold have better prep playing the same format before the WC not some barstardised format

The Asia Cup 2023 has nothing at all to do with The Hundred.  It's an international competition, contested by Pakistan, Sri Lanka,  Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India and Nepal and started after The Hundred finals' day.  No domestic teams take part.  No individuals are excluded from taking part in the latter through playing in the former. 

It has as much to do with The Hundred as the FA Cup has to the Copa América. 

I thought it was to do with the fact those countries are playing 50 over cricket to prepare for the world cup. Asia cup is normally 20 overs. During our summer we could of been doing the same but instead choose to play a version of cricket no one else plays. 

We should be playing ODIs - specifically, 50-over ODIs - at the same time as the Asia Cup.  The timing of The Hundred doesn't prevent this. 

With regards to the format of the Asia Cup, it's not quite right to say that the Asia Cup is normally a T20 competition.  It started as a 50-over competition, but, more recently, it has alternated between 20 and 50 overs.  It seems a very sensible idea to be playing it in 50-over format this year. 

That'll be because the World Cup is 50 overs

Do you recall the domestic ODI tournament, that IS played at the same time as the Hundred?

If you're suggesting the Asia Cup is a good pre-World Cup warm-up tournament, I agree.  If you're suggesting England should play more 50-over games in the warm-up to the World Cup, I agree.  But if you're suggesting the Asia Cup is the equivalent of a domestic competition, I don't agree.  

I think England should be playing 50-over international games in the immediate aftermath of The Hundred, as Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are doing. Not playing so many T20Is, which they are doing; and not playing low-standard, county List A games.  

But, of course, this has nothing to do with The Hundred.  I think the four T20Is against New Zealand aren't a great use of time, the following seven ODIs are a much better use of time. 

No, I didn't compere the level of the Asia Cup with the level of the ODI -  you are another who quotes others saying things they haven't

But T20 is closer to 50 overs though surely! So play the Blast not the Hundred, lol! At least ENG have 4 x ODIs v NZ

I didn't say you "compared" the level of the Asia Cup with the level of "the ODI".  I have no idea what that even means.  

I also have no idea why you actually brought up the Asia Cup in the first place.  If it was to use it as an example of World Cup teams preparing for the World Cup by playing 50-over ODIs, I agree, as I have said.  England should not be wasting time playing T20Is this week.  

But, yet again, the Asia Cup has nothing to do with The Hundred.  

For the second time, I never said the Asia cup had anything to do with the Jundred. But the both can be part of the same discussion!

You really just can't discuss anything fairly and reasonably, can you? Have you ever been banned for  your attitude or inability to do so?

The Asia Cup is an international tournament taking place this year, after the Hundred. 

There's nothing stopping England playing fifty over ODIs at the same time as the Asia Cup, except for the decision to play T20Is. 

The Hundred has had no influence on whether the Asia Cup goes ahead; or whether England chose to play ODIs, T20Is or a mixture of both, immediately afterwards. 

In my view, England should have chosen exclusively to play fifty over ODIs after The Hundred, like the participants in the Asia Cup. That they didn't is not because of The Hundred. 

PrincessFiona said:

I never said the Hundred had influence on whether the Asia Cup goes ahead, so not sure why you keep going on about it. No one said ENG Playing a mix of T20s and ODI's was anything to do with the Hundred

In my view, the players should have been playing 50 over competitions INSTEAD OF the ridiculous Hundred, which will be gone soon, hopefully.

Have you ever been banned from CL or anywhere similar Chizz? I'd be interested to know

Then I am not sure why you brought up the Asia Cup.  It's not a domestic competition, it's not influenced by The Hundred and no England players can be involved.  

I think, rather than having lots of low-quality "List A" matches between counties (does the result of Glamorgan v Leicestershire really send chills down the spines of India's players?  Do Australian players really worry about the relative strengths of Somerset and Durham?) England should be playing fifty-over ODIs.  Like all the teams in the Asia Cup.  

But, of course, the scheduling of England ODIs is as unaffected by The Hundred as the Asia Cup is.  

PrincessFiona said:

No, you just don't know, do you, lol!!!!! I never said it was influenced by the Hundred nor that ENG players could be involved. You've missed the point -pretty much as usual!.

Incorrect re the scheduling and the Hundred.

The Asia Cup started after The Hundred. England could have chosen to play ODIs art the same time as the Asia Cup, thereby affording themselves more fifty over warm up games. 

I think England should be playing more fifty over games in the lead-up to the World Cup and should have fit them in instead of the T20Is. 

Maybe you agree with that, maybe not. 

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

No, you just don't know, do you, lol!!!!! I never said it was influenced by the Hundred nor that ENG players could be involved. You've missed the point -pretty much as usual!.

Incorrect re the scheduling and the Hundred.

The Asia Cup started after The Hundred. England could have chosen to play ODIs art the same time as the Asia Cup, thereby affording themselves more fifty over warm up games. 

I think England should be playing more fifty over games in the lead-up to the World Cup and should have fit them in instead of the T20Is. 

Maybe you agree with that, maybe not. 

England players could have been playing 50 over games before now and would be better for it. ENG would have played more 50 over games in the lead up, if it weren't for the Hundred - yes, I know; you still don't get it. At all!

If only the BBC showed T20 matches but apparently don't/wont/can't, hence the Hundred. We've watched the T20s on Sky but miraculously, according to my FiL, the T20s have been on the BBC

So, nothing whatsoever to do with the Asia Cup. I'm glad we're agreed. 

Let me ask you a question. If it's so important for countries to play low-standard, List A cricket in August, leading up to a World Cup, why haven't any of the participants? Is The Hundred to blame for Australia, India, New Zealand, and so on, not playing List A matches? 

MuttleyCAFC said:

The thing is, and Mills touched on it in commentary, England and indeed New Zealand are using these T20 games as part of their prep for he World Cup. It is the reason Mills was given for not being part of the T20 squad. The pitches also seem to be set up to be closer to Indian conditions. I wouldn't have any complaints about those running cricket in this country, especially the white ball game. 

So where do youngsters that live miles away from a franchise get to watch top cricket and what will the pathway for young cricketers be if and when more than half the counties disappear due to the concentration of cricket and revenue on the international cricket hosting grounds? Currently, there are 18 centres of excellence in the England and Wales (the 18 counties) so where do all the age group cricketers for the half a dozen franchises meet, for example, for winter training on a Tuesday at 6.00pm - which is very much the norm? For a young age group cricketer from say Plymouth their nearest First Class County is currently Somerset - a journey of an hour and a half. A pain in the backside of a trip but doable nonetheless. It used to take us over an hour each way to take my son to training and we live in Kent but the nearest franchise home for someone from Plymouth would be that of the Welsh Fire or that of the Southern Braves. We are talking about a trip in excess of 150 miles in rush hour and a journey of three hours - each way.

Now I thought that the recent report that came out majoured on the need for cricket and specifically the pathway to move up in the game needed to be widened.  In reducing the number of First Class counties and creating six hour journeys in total to and from training the ECB would be doing the complete opposite. Any talented your sports person (or through the logical influence of their parents) from areas that are distances away would simply turn to one of the other sports they play. But the ECB will still pretend that cricket is "for all". 

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

No, you just don't know, do you, lol!!!!! I never said it was influenced by the Hundred nor that ENG players could be involved. You've missed the point -pretty much as usual!.

Incorrect re the scheduling and the Hundred.

The Asia Cup started after The Hundred. England could have chosen to play ODIs art the same time as the Asia Cup, thereby affording themselves more fifty over warm up games. 

I think England should be playing more fifty over games in the lead-up to the World Cup and should have fit them in instead of the T20Is. 

Maybe you agree with that, maybe not. 

England players could have been playing 50 over games before now and would be better for it. ENG would have played more 50 over games in the lead up, if it weren't for the Hundred - yes, I know; you still don't get it. At all!

If only the BBC showed T20 matches but apparently don't/wont/can't, hence the Hundred. We've watched the T20s on Sky but miraculously, according to my FiL, the T20s have been on the BBC

So, nothing whatsoever to do with the Asia Cup. I'm glad we're agreed. 

Let me ask you a question. If it's so important for countries to play low-standard, List A cricket in August, leading up to a World Cup, why haven't any of the participants? Is The Hundred to blame for Australia, India, New Zealand, and so on, not playing List A matches? 

We definitely don't agree because you don't get the point! From what I've seen on here, you rarely do!

I thought T20 games weren't shown on terrestrial tv btw

Ok, I'll help you get the point about the Asia Cup. It's an international tournament played after The Hundred finished. Therefore, by definition, The Hundred did not affect whether or how it was played. England, meanwhile, could have played more fifty over ODIs at the same time as the Asia Cup, also without being affected by The Hundred. 

I don't know why you've brought up T20 games. 

Do you have an answer to my question? 

Nope, you still don't get it - shame!

Let me know if you have an answer

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

Chizz said:

PrincessFiona said:

No, you just don't know, do you, lol!!!!! I never said it was influenced by the Hundred nor that ENG players could be involved. You've missed the point -pretty much as usual!.

Incorrect re the scheduling and the Hundred.

The Asia Cup started after The Hundred. England could have chosen to play ODIs art the same time as the Asia Cup, thereby affording themselves more fifty over warm up games. 

I think England should be playing more fifty over games in the lead-up to the World Cup and should have fit them in instead of the T20Is. 

Maybe you agree with that, maybe not. 

England players could have been playing 50 over games before now and would be better for it. ENG would have played more 50 over games in the lead up, if it weren't for the Hundred - yes, I know; you still don't get it. At all!

If only the BBC showed T20 matches but apparently don't/wont/can't, hence the Hundred. We've watched the T20s on Sky but miraculously, according to my FiL, the T20s have been on the BBC

So, nothing whatsoever to do with the Asia Cup. I'm glad we're agreed. 

Let me ask you a question. If it's so important for countries to play low-standard, List A cricket in August, leading up to a World Cup, why haven't any of the participants? Is The Hundred to blame for Australia, India, New Zealand, and so on, not playing List A matches? 

We definitely don't agree because you don't get the point! From what I've seen on here, you rarely do!

I thought T20 games weren't shown on terrestrial tv btw

Ok, I'll help you get the point about the Asia Cup. It's an international tournament played after The Hundred finished. Therefore, by definition, The Hundred did not affect whether or how it was played. England, meanwhile, could have played more fifty over ODIs at the same time as the Asia Cup, also without being affected by The Hundred. 

I don't know why you've brought up T20 games. 

Do you have an answer to my question? 

Nope, you still don't get it - shame!

Let me know if you have an answer

I'm still waiting for your's and for you to get it

Remind me what your question was. 

Mine was this: If it's so important for countries to play low-standard, List A cricket in August, leading up to a World Cup, why haven't any of the participants? 

Just to point out the “low standard” cricket in August is because the best players are involved with the Hundred. I don’t blame them, they have a living to make, however it’s stretching credulity to suggest that the extra competition doesn’t adversely impact upon a crowded domestic season and inevitably upon the competition it’s directly scheduled against. And of course not playing 50 over cricket will affect the national side. That’s axiomatic! The Hundred did have a direct impact upon the timing of the ashes, and my personal view the very concentrated schedule resultant adversely impacted our performance.

Personally I love the one day game, and have developed an appreciation for T20. I’m not keen upon the Hundred format for probably the same reasons others like it, however all the discussions of how successful & financially sustainable the competition is aside, it is without doubt, highly divisive and generates a strongly negative reaction from most cricket fans, because of the timing, the alien nature of the format and because the impact upon other completions 

I question the point of a competition sold as a way to bring more people to cricket if it’s significantly and adversely undermines the game it’s supposed to be promoting.

A final point is that my loyalty is to a very well established and historic club with a long and proud history. I feel absolutely zero affinity to entirely manufactured teams, with frankly silly names playing a format which leaves me absolutely cold.