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  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,917
    Swisdom said:
    When he waged war on Putin you wondered how it would go if he didn't see it through

    For him to turn back and then take the "protection" offered to him was so obviously foolhardy!  I find it odd that someone so successful and previously so careful didn't see this coming when literally the rest of the world knew it was only a matter of time.

    Yet Putin will sit there and deny all knowledge...and get away with it,
    I'm pretty sure he will have known it was coming...
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,936
    Putin has played a blinder here

    left it long enough to say 'see, all is forgiven,  we have let him continue his business, and travel to and from Russia to Africa etc'

    left it short enough to say 'yeah we did this, did you expect there to be no reaction from me'
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,948
    Obviously this is no suprise to anyone but the more this stuff happens and you see how Putin conducts things he really is turning into the stereotypical bond villain before our very eyes. The worrying thing is that in Russia he will be applauded by alot of the population for showing his strength as a leader
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    edited August 2023
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties who don't have blood on their hands.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,906
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,140
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
    Not sure. Reports that one had been in post for just three months. Very difficult to judge someone's character based solely on their employer.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,021
    Stig said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
    Not sure. Reports that one had been in post for just three months. Very difficult to judge someone's character based solely on their employer.
    https://youtu.be/Ag_AFraxj-4?si=uyVaObBNg6AEd48l
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,906
    Stig said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
    Not sure. Reports that one had been in post for just three months. Very difficult to judge someone's character based solely on their employer.
    I agree but surely if you are Wagner top brass you don't just let anyone be part of the cabin crew 
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,175
    Just another one of the long list of Putin haters who has mysteriously died. No surprise at all. 
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,948
    Stig said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
    Not sure. Reports that one had been in post for just three months. Very difficult to judge someone's character based solely on their employer.
    True but also if you were offered a job so closely aligned to a marked man would you take it regardless of how much the pay was ? 

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  • MrWalker
    MrWalker Posts: 4,139
    But what if it landed on an orphanage?
    Or a stop oil protest?
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,128
    Stig said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, it's pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    I kind of agree agree but I'm also guessing that the crew members were loyal and trusted servants who have been handsomely rewarded for years of service. If you work closely for or are friends with a war lord, the risk of early death must come with the territory 
    Not sure. Reports that one had been in post for just three months. Very difficult to judge someone's character based solely on their employer.
    Oh you can absolutely be judged if you decide to work for a war criminal who’s committed atrocities across the globe and taken part in genocide. 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    MrWalker said:

    Or a stop oil protest?
    In Moscow? 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,386
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 11,005
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 

    Are these terms mutually exclusive?
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    IdleHans said:
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 

    Are these terms mutually exclusive?
    No not at all, just one is 'ours' and one isn't. 
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    shine166 said:
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    nice bit of alt right conspiracy theories and whataboutery dropped in this thread.

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  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    edited August 2023
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    nice bit of alt right conspiracy theories and whataboutery dropped in this thread.
    It's called dark humour. Really not fussed if some Russian Gollem look alike or a sex trafficker for the elite got offed. 

    You are a silly sausage though, if you think Putin is the only person with power that takes out his foe


  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,135
    SporadicAddick said:
    Swisdom said:
    When he waged war on Putin you wondered how it would go if he didn't see it through

    For him to turn back and then take the "protection" offered to him was so obviously foolhardy!  I find it odd that someone so successful and previously so careful didn't see this coming when literally the rest of the world knew it was only a matter of time.

    Yet Putin will sit there and deny all knowledge...and get away with it,
    I'm pretty sure he will have known it was coming...
    Then boarding a flight in Russia wasn't his best idea ever.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    shine166 said:
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    nice bit of alt right conspiracy theories and whataboutery dropped in this thread.
    It's called dark humour. Really not fussed if some Russian Gollem look alike or a sex trafficker for the elite got offed. 

    You are a silly sausage though, if you think Putin is the only person with power that takes out his foe


    you are a silly sausage if you parrot far right talking points like you're doing.
  • addick19
    addick19 Posts: 379
    Apparently the plane fell from a 20th floor hotel window.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,386
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    I don't think there is a league table where you get to the top by being the worst of humanity. Mercenary groups or individual mercenaries are generally all thought of pretty much  the same of anywhere you go in the world. Generally paid to kill and commit mass murder. At the moment its Wagner Group committing mass murder for money where ever they are in the world.  
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    nice bit of alt right conspiracy theories and whataboutery dropped in this thread.
    It's called dark humour. Really not fussed if some Russian Gollem look alike or a sex trafficker for the elite got offed. 

    You are a silly sausage though, if you think Putin is the only person with power that takes out his foe


    you are a silly sausage if you parrot far right talking points like you're doing.
    Just because you don't agree with a certain side generally, doesn't mean everything they say is wrong. I do like that I'm sharing alt right opinions and another day am a loony corbynista though, shows that I'm not stuck with a team for my misguided opinions.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,544

  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    shine166 said:
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    kentaddick said:
    shine166 said:
    I bet the Clinton's wish they could be as audacious as this, although Jeffrey Epstein was a gooden.
    shine166 said:
    charltonkeston said:
    Hal1x said:
    Whilst I don't think a lot of tears will be shed for the Wagner people, its pretty terrible for the crew members and other parties without blood on their hands.
    The founder of the Wagner group, Utkin,  was also on the plane along with another or others. I don't find killing anything particularly satisfying but these people were every  bit as evil as any other mass murderer. They were never going to get brought before a court so this may have been the closest many of their victims will get to any form of revenge or justice.
    I do feel for the staff on the plane but they must have known the risks and what happens to people who go against the Russian state. Normal people wouldn't share a field with the likes of Prigozhin let alone a private jet. Wagner group, in their mutiny, a few weeks back took down several aircraft and killed pilots and crew, it was only a matter of time before the  Russians took revenge and they do like to make a point when they take revenge. 
    Are they mass murderers, or just Russian Black water ? 
    nice bit of alt right conspiracy theories and whataboutery dropped in this thread.
    It's called dark humour. Really not fussed if some Russian Gollem look alike or a sex trafficker for the elite got offed. 

    You are a silly sausage though, if you think Putin is the only person with power that takes out his foe


    you are a silly sausage if you parrot far right talking points like you're doing.
    Just because you don't agree with a certain side generally, doesn't mean everything they say is wrong. I do like that I'm sharing alt right opinions and another day am a loony corbynista though, shows that I'm not stuck with a team for my misguided opinions.
    You're so close to getting it.
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,236
    edited August 2023
    Apparently it’s still not confirmed whether he was on the plane which sounds strange when Putin has sent his condolences to the family. 
    And the Kemlin said they didn’t do it. So that’s cleared that but up 🫣
    BBC latest summary:
    1. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov says allegations that Russia gave an order to kill Yevgeny Prigozhin are “a complete lie"
    2. Wagner chief Prigozhin is "highly likely" to be dead after Wednesday's plane crash near Moscow, the UK defence ministry says
    3. But it warns there is "not yet definitive proof" he was on board the plane, saying he was known to take "exceptional security measures"
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,939
    I can definitely see him being somewhere warm drinking a cocktail with one of his ludicrous wigs on

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