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Scott Fraser - pg 36 - left by mutual consent
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Got any advice for Chuks ?Billy_Mix said:he needs to be working hard all summer to significantly improve both core strength and aerobic stamina
he's a decent enough player at this level, ability wise but when things aren't going his or CAFC's way he is AWOL
in this shitty division sheer bloody hard work will always give you a chance
of course if any club offers enough of a fee that means losing him won't cost CAFC readies then (same as everybody) he's a potential sale - I won't lose any sleep
there's an almost limitless supply of OOC players, replacing him with a capable body won't concern DH and whoever's doing the recruitment
DH keeps his cards too close to his chest for us to know if SF is his 'sort' of player and blending an effective squad ain't likely to be hamstrung (!) by the gain or loss of one player
the lack of any offer to the likes of Morgan suggests DH ain't looking to jettison SF
even with him so lightweight and wheezy he's 10 times the player of McGrandles and Kirk added together - they need to be first off the rank when it comes to sale time
Is he good enough? - probably
Can he be better than previously? - definitely
Will he be? - that's up to SF0 -
Why is it people always want to get rid of our players ? Just looking at that goals segment shows that he chips in with his fair share. Who do you think will be better....bearing in mind we have other priorities (striker, left back, right wing) that we need to be spending money on.Billy_Mix said:he needs to be working hard all summer to significantly improve both core strength and aerobic stamina
he's a decent enough player at this level, ability wise but when things aren't going his or CAFC's way he is AWOL
in this shitty division sheer bloody hard work will always give you a chance
of course if any club offers enough of a fee that means losing him won't cost CAFC readies then (same as everybody) he's a potential sale - I won't lose any sleep
there's an almost limitless supply of OOC players, replacing him with a capable body won't concern DH and whoever's doing the recruitment
DH keeps his cards too close to his chest for us to know if SF is his 'sort' of player and blending an effective squad ain't likely to be hamstrung (!) by the gain or loss of one player
the lack of any offer to the likes of Morgan suggests DH ain't looking to jettison SF
even with him so lightweight and wheezy he's 10 times the player of McGrandles and Kirk added together - they need to be first off the rank when it comes to sale time
Is he good enough? - probably
Can he be better than previously? - definitely
Will he be? - that's up to SF
Jeez.11 -
If you were all wondering who 'the guy Leuth defends to the death in the face of Charlton Life' is this season, it's the Scottish Pirlo Griezmann
LEAVE HIM ALONE HE'S CLASS 6 -
Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle0
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Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle1 -
He went down near the end, no apparent contact. Terry Smith on commentary said he was signalling he needed to come off, but it seems there is yet another obscure rule about subs that meant we could not sub him even though we had made only 4 subs. FFS. So he hobbled on. Holden in the interview described it as a niggle. But we know what that means at Charlton, although Methven has promised to do something about that. And to be fair up to that point I’d started to get encouraged that nobody had gone down needing treatment and I thought the fitness level looked pretty good. In Alfie May’s case, ferociously so.Valley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle2 -
Think the 3 sub slot rule was to stop a side running down the clock by making 5 individual subs to break up the game.PragueAddick said:
He went down near the end, no apparent contact. Terry Smith on commentary said he was signalling he needed to come off, but it seems there is yet another obscure rule about subs that meant we could not sub him even though we had made only 4 subs. FFS. So he hobbled on. Holden in the interview described it as a niggle. But we know what that means at Charlton, although Methven has promised to do something about that. And to be fair up to that point I’d started to get encouraged that nobody had gone down needing treatment and I thought the fitness level looked pretty good. In Alfie May’s case, ferociously so.Valley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggleIf you make a sub at half time I don’t think that counts towards the 3 slots.8 -
You are allowed 5 substitutions now.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle1 -
Seemingly notBrownie12 said:
You are allowed 5 substitutions now.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle0 -
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You are only allowed 3 breaks in play to make subs,Brownie12 said:
You are allowed 5 substitutions now.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle
half time doesn’t count.7 -
Of course - forgot that part.RC_CAFC said:
You are only allowed 3 breaks in play to make subs,Brownie12 said:
You are allowed 5 substitutions now.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle
half time doesn’t count.1 -
I think you’re allowed 5 subs over a maximum of 3 occasions, half time does not count as an “occasion”.ShootersHillGuru said:
Seemingly notBrownie12 said:
You are allowed 5 substitutions now.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle
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Ah, thanks for the explanation, that on reflection is a good idea.billysboots said:
Think the 3 sub slot rule was to stop a side running down the clock by making 5 individual subs to break up the game.PragueAddick said:
He went down near the end, no apparent contact. Terry Smith on commentary said he was signalling he needed to come off, but it seems there is yet another obscure rule about subs that meant we could not sub him even though we had made only 4 subs. FFS. So he hobbled on. Holden in the interview described it as a niggle. But we know what that means at Charlton, although Methven has promised to do something about that. And to be fair up to that point I’d started to get encouraged that nobody had gone down needing treatment and I thought the fitness level looked pretty good. In Alfie May’s case, ferociously so.Valley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggleIf you make a sub at half time I don’t think that counts towards the 3 slots.0 -
I couldn't understand why Holden didn't sub both Camara and Hector for Anderson and Jones at the same time for this reason. Iirc there was only five minutes between the subs but it meant he only had one window open for another sub.
I think it is prudent to leave one sub available for last minute injuries.4 -
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I always think it a bit silly when managers make individual "planned" subs, 5 minutes apart.Richard J said:I couldn't understand why Holden didn't sub both Camara and Hector for Anderson and Jones at the same time for this reason. Iirc there was only five minutes between the subs but it meant he only had one window open for another sub.
I think it is prudent to leave one sub available for last minute injuries.2 -
This is a very good point. Everyone writing off Fraser, wait and see what he can do with those dancing legs alongside himRonnieMoore said:2 -
Feels like he is playing in slow motion sometimes.
I like him, but he's not the player I thought we'd signed.2 -
He can be excellent and a game changer when up for it and not being man-marked out of the game. I too think when we see Pan, alongside Dobbo and Fraser, the latter is going to find more time and space to work his magic. Oppo midfields are going to have a fair bit to worry about.4
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Can be brilliant but yesterday was not one of those days.0
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He was crap yesterday and they marked him out of the game (he is going to have to get used to it), but Fraser is our best player technically by a distance2
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Dobbo, Camara, Fraser is probably the best midfield in this league, and thats before you start talking about Taylor. Dont know much about the latter, but was wanted by multiple championship clubs, so must be decent1
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Except now they have said they will be making more of an effort to add on the exact time for substitutions, which surely now makes that rule pointless?PragueAddick said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation, that on reflection is a good idea.billysboots said:
Think the 3 sub slot rule was to stop a side running down the clock by making 5 individual subs to break up the game.PragueAddick said:
He went down near the end, no apparent contact. Terry Smith on commentary said he was signalling he needed to come off, but it seems there is yet another obscure rule about subs that meant we could not sub him even though we had made only 4 subs. FFS. So he hobbled on. Holden in the interview described it as a niggle. But we know what that means at Charlton, although Methven has promised to do something about that. And to be fair up to that point I’d started to get encouraged that nobody had gone down needing treatment and I thought the fitness level looked pretty good. In Alfie May’s case, ferociously so.Valley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggleIf you make a sub at half time I don’t think that counts towards the 3 slots.1 -
Orient didn’t press our defence at all, and let our back 3 do what they want. They did this because they didn’t want to commit and leave space for Fraser and Anderson to operate in. This is why both struggled to get involved and when they did they didn’t have much time on the ball at all. In other games he will have more space and will be one of our better players3
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Telling that his contribution for the last 10 - 15 minutes when he was apparently 'niggled' was so significantly better than he'd deigned to make for the previous hour. He started well enough in that initial helter skelter quarter hour or so then in all to familiar fashion he checked out and disappeared even having the shameless temerity to moan at colleagues he failed to find with under hit passes. He's his own worst enemy, he ain't going to elevate his career until he accepts it is a 90+ minute effort and applies himself accordingly. We can only surmise there's something lacking literally or figuratively in the heart and/or lung area.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle
The pervading assumption is that Pan Camará's developing fitness will threaten Karoy Anderson's place. Yesterday's game plus last season's reality suggests PC should displace SF unless and until SF pulls his socks up.1 -
I wish he showed a bit more urgency at corners instead of strolling slowly and nonchalantly across as if , out of boredom, he might keep going into the car park and drive home.2
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5 separate substitutions instead of 3 would still stop the game twice more and kill the momentum of the game more, even if the time is then added on.Off_it said:
Except now they have said they will be making more of an effort to add on the exact time for substitutions, which surely now makes that rule pointless?PragueAddick said:
Ah, thanks for the explanation, that on reflection is a good idea.billysboots said:
Think the 3 sub slot rule was to stop a side running down the clock by making 5 individual subs to break up the game.PragueAddick said:
He went down near the end, no apparent contact. Terry Smith on commentary said he was signalling he needed to come off, but it seems there is yet another obscure rule about subs that meant we could not sub him even though we had made only 4 subs. FFS. So he hobbled on. Holden in the interview described it as a niggle. But we know what that means at Charlton, although Methven has promised to do something about that. And to be fair up to that point I’d started to get encouraged that nobody had gone down needing treatment and I thought the fitness level looked pretty good. In Alfie May’s case, ferociously so.Valley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggleIf you make a sub at half time I don’t think that counts towards the 3 slots.3 -
Think that Taylor is probably the one who will push for Frasers place.Billy_Mix said:
Telling that his contribution for the last 10 - 15 minutes when he was apparently 'niggled' was so significantly better than he'd deigned to make for the previous hour. He started well enough in that initial helter skelter quarter hour or so then in all to familiar fashion he checked out and disappeared even having the shameless temerity to moan at colleagues he failed to find with under hit passes. He's his own worst enemy, he ain't going to elevate his career until he accepts it is a 90+ minute effort and applies himself accordingly. We can only surmise there's something lacking literally or figuratively in the heart and/or lung area.billysboots said:
Looked like a calf issue and he signalled that he needed to come off - but at that stage we had used out 3 x substitute slots - so he couldn’t be substituted. TBF he was hobbling for the rest of the match.Leuth said:
He injured himself 10 minutes before the end and then played really well for those 10 minutes for some reason. WOUNDED TIGERValley11 said:Is he injured? Holden said he’s picked up a niggle
The pervading assumption is that Pan Camará's developing fitness will threaten Karoy Anderson's place. Yesterday's game plus last season's reality suggests PC should displace SF unless and until SF pulls his socks up.1
