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I only watched the highlights so cannot comment on the overall play but the keeping was the worst pub league standard. Probably sub pub league in all honesty. I wouldn't want to watch that if Putin's vote squad tried to make me under gun point.0
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Haven't seen it reported about the numbers of knives and scissors taken off people at this.
Haven't seen it reported of a couple of thousand without tickets turning up and trying to get in
Haven't seen it mentioned about the dickheads running around in balaclavas threatening the maintenance staff (who aren't even CAFC employees)
Glad it raised money for charity but there are still too many dickheads attending stuff like this.1 -
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Kid near me threw his phone onto the pitch in the hope,I believe, that one of these superstars would pick it up. Take a selfie and throw it back.Swisdom said:Haven't seen it reported about the numbers of knives and scissors taken off people at this.
Haven't seen it reported of a couple of thousand without tickets turning up and trying to get in
Haven't seen it mentioned about the dickheads running around in balaclavas threatening the maintenance staff (who aren't even CAFC employees)
Glad it raised money for charity but there are still too many dickheads attending stuff like this.
Don't think it worked out that way.
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Professional gobshites eh!0
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At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.8 -
The key to success on YouTube is to make the viewers feel part of a community.
Make it feel like they are watching friends rather than watching random people.
That encourages the interaction which leads to bigger traction and ultimately bigger events.
For those wondering how the sidemen built to what they are now….
https://youtu.be/HZSLmb6jEhc 3 -
Well I feel absolutely ancient ... (mostly because I am).
I'd have loved to have seen the heroes of my day in a match. Rick Wakeman's long blond hair and golden cape flapping gently as he walked down the wing. Clapton's indecision in front of goal as he decided between another scotch or a sniff of cocaine, Dylan frantically writing words in his head, Donovan trying to trip him up and Hendrix in his own purple haze. I could go on, but it'd get too freaky man.5 -
Having watched the highlights I think that Purple Haze Hendrix was in goal for both teams.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Well I feel absolutely ancient ... (mostly because I am).
I'd have loved to have seen the heroes of my day in a match. Rick Wakeman's long blond hair and golden cape flapping gently as he walked down the wing. Clapton's indecision in front of goal as he decided between another scotch or a sniff of cocaine, Dylan frantically writing words in his head, Donovan trying to trip him up and Hendrix in his own purple haze. I could go on, but it'd get too freaky man.2 -
is there anything intrinsically different to being in awe of someone you watch playing football on the TV, to being in awe of someone excelling at a video game online ?cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.0 - Sponsored links:
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For me, yes.MrOneLung said:
is there anything intrinsically different to being in awe of someone you watch playing football on the TV, to being in awe of someone excelling at a video game online ?cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.Top footballers do things that as a kid I, like many others, would spend time thinking ‘I wish I could do that’. The physical element of that person being adored by tens of thousands of people in a stadium every week, whilst being in the top 0.001% of people to have ever kicked a ball. Anyone could be an influencer on YouTube in some way, but not everyone can be a professional footballer.That’s what I mean about having that perception that they were super-human. They could do things that are extraordinary. As if they were blessed with a god-given talent that is a very exclusive club to be in.
Can you apply some of the same principles to the top YouTubers/gamers? I’m sure you can, but there’s something lacking in terms of aura for me. I just couldn’t see myself being starstruck by someone who is one of the best gamers in the world if I walked past them in the street.But based on the attendance/viewing numbers for the Sidemen on Saturday - it’s clear that there are millions who would be!3 -
Kids grow up watching youtube videos and wish they can be youtubers. That is the reality of the classrooms nowadays.cafctom said:
For me, yes.MrOneLung said:
is there anything intrinsically different to being in awe of someone you watch playing football on the TV, to being in awe of someone excelling at a video game online ?cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.Top footballers do things that as a kid I, like many others, would spend time thinking ‘I wish I could do that’. The physical element of that person being adored by tens of thousands of people in a stadium every week, whilst being in the top 0.001% of people to have ever kicked a ball. Anyone could be an influencer on YouTube in some way, but not everyone can be a professional footballer.That’s what I mean about having that perception that they were super-human. They could do things that are extraordinary. As if they were blessed with a god-given talent that is a very exclusive club to be in.
Can you apply some of the same principles to the top YouTubers/gamers? I’m sure you can, but there’s something lacking in terms of aura for me. I just couldn’t see myself being starstruck by someone who is one of the best gamers in the world if I walked past them in the street.But based on the attendance/viewing numbers for the Sidemen on Saturday - it’s clear that there are millions who would be!0 -
For me, the obsession with You Tubers is an example of the ever lowering ambitions of young people and what they can 'achieve'. You can only achieve mastery of anything with minimum of 10,000 hours of practice (Malcolm Gladwell, Outliers) and a large proportion of kids don't want to put that kind of effort in to be a footballer, musician or other. It is plausible to be a successful youtuber without this level of commitment or effort. This is the sad facts of the youth of today (as a father of 10 and 12 year olds).8
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Sorry but I think that’s nonsense. For one, not every kid wants to be a YouTube star.Second, there are most definitely still kids that want to be footballers or musicians and I’m sure they all believe it’ll be easier than it truly is. What’s the difference?Just looks like an opportunity to bash young people because it’s not something you can imagine you would’ve been interested in. Doesn’t sit right with me.10
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I mean he literally just explained the difference.Callumcafc said:Sorry but I think that’s nonsense. For one, not every kid wants to be a YouTube star.Second, there are most definitely still kids that want to be footballers or musicians and I’m sure they all believe it’ll be easier than it truly is. What’s the difference?Just looks like an opportunity to bash young people because it’s not something you can imagine you would’ve been interested in. Doesn’t sit right with me.2 -
I think you’re categorising these people in the wrong way. Millions of people didn’t tune in because they’re in awe of their ability to play games.cafctom said:
For me, yes.MrOneLung said:
is there anything intrinsically different to being in awe of someone you watch playing football on the TV, to being in awe of someone excelling at a video game online ?cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.Top footballers do things that as a kid I, like many others, would spend time thinking ‘I wish I could do that’. The physical element of that person being adored by tens of thousands of people in a stadium every week, whilst being in the top 0.001% of people to have ever kicked a ball. Anyone could be an influencer on YouTube in some way, but not everyone can be a professional footballer.That’s what I mean about having that perception that they were super-human. They could do things that are extraordinary. As if they were blessed with a god-given talent that is a very exclusive club to be in.
Can you apply some of the same principles to the top YouTubers/gamers? I’m sure you can, but there’s something lacking in terms of aura for me. I just couldn’t see myself being starstruck by someone who is one of the best gamers in the world if I walked past them in the street.But based on the attendance/viewing numbers for the Sidemen on Saturday - it’s clear that there are millions who would be!A lot of the people watching have watched these people for the past 10 years. Essentially growing up with them, so it’s a much more intimate and two-way relationship between a viewer and YouTuber compared to a football fan and footballer.
It may be one of those things where if you have to ask the question then you probably won’t understand the answer. It’s all generational I guess.6 -
If you've been watching them on a screen for a number of years they are effectively stars to the young viewers, be that screen TV, laptop, i pad or phone.1
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If it was that easy everyone would be doing it and having huge success.BalladMan said:For me, the obsession with You Tubers is an example of the ever lowering ambitions of young people and what they can 'achieve'. You can only achieve mastery of anything with minimum of 10,000 hours of practice (Malcolm Gladwell, Outliers) and a large proportion of kids don't want to put that kind of effort in to be a footballer, musician or other. It is plausible to be a successful youtuber without this level of commitment or effort. This is the sad facts of the youth of today (as a father of 10 and 12 year olds).
I think you’re underestimating how hard you have to work to make any sort of career from it, never mind to the levels of the sidemen and similar.
You could argue that while kids who dream of being a footballer, should they fail - have nothing to “fall back on”. However if those kids attempt to make something of themselves on YouTube and it doesn’t work - skills they have developed like filming, editing, producing and programming could be just what they need to start a career in a different field.7 -
I say fair play to them. They’ve figured out something they are good at and have monetised it. Good to see youngsters being entrepreneurial and making something of themselves.5
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For what it’s worth as a Musician who also uses YouTube, I can tell you a successful YouTube career is every bit as hard to establish as one touring, harder in some respects because people’s expectations of content are through the roof now. People are really hard to engage with and it’s a real skill to do that, compared to ‘real life’ it’s an almost unquantifiable thing.
Far easier to get on a train to Edinburgh and play a gig but that world is disappearing.
I've barely put any effort into my channel (it's on my to-do list) but here's the part it's all about, to be able to start monetising your content this is the breakpoint you have to reach:
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Is here:MrOneLung said:
https://youtube.com/channel/UC62I2qpD1gNjzilsANc2D1AThankyou, but it’s really not much at the moment just a holding area for ideas so far…
but suppose that’s the thing : need to dedicate as much time to it as any kid playing football after school every day!7 -
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I think you’re categorising these people in the wrong way. Millions of people didn’t tune in because they’re in awe of their ability to play games.cafctom said:
For me, yes.MrOneLung said:
is there anything intrinsically different to being in awe of someone you watch playing football on the TV, to being in awe of someone excelling at a video game online ?cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.Top footballers do things that as a kid I, like many others, would spend time thinking ‘I wish I could do that’. The physical element of that person being adored by tens of thousands of people in a stadium every week, whilst being in the top 0.001% of people to have ever kicked a ball. Anyone could be an influencer on YouTube in some way, but not everyone can be a professional footballer.That’s what I mean about having that perception that they were super-human. They could do things that are extraordinary. As if they were blessed with a god-given talent that is a very exclusive club to be in.
Can you apply some of the same principles to the top YouTubers/gamers? I’m sure you can, but there’s something lacking in terms of aura for me. I just couldn’t see myself being starstruck by someone who is one of the best gamers in the world if I walked past them in the street.But based on the attendance/viewing numbers for the Sidemen on Saturday - it’s clear that there are millions who would be!A lot of the people watching have watched these people for the past 10 years. Essentially growing up with them, so it’s a much more intimate and two-way relationship between a viewer and YouTuber compared to a football fan and footballer.
It may be one of those things where if you have to ask the question then you probably won’t understand the answer. It’s all generational I guess.I wouldn’t say it’s a generational thing for me. I play video games, I watch YouTube, I’m probably only 10-15 years older than a lot of the audience that was there on Saturday. So it’s not as if the concepts are completely alien to me.But whilst there is this ‘two way’ relationship that is perceived with YouTubers, you can’t tell me that they aren’t being idolised and put on a celebrity type pedestal. Teenagers would be clamouring over them a lot more than any footballers we’ve seen down The Valley in a long time.I can’t dispute the popularity, the numbers are there. I just merely think it’s a bit weird for ~30,000 people turn up to watch them play football.Then again, I’m sure there are many people out there who think I’m a massive weirdo for taking an entire weekend of my time to see us draw 1-1 away at Fleetwood Town last week.1 -
I think I’m a massive weirdo for supporting us!2
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I’m challenging the assertion that it’s plausible to become a success on YouTube with little to no effort and therefore there is no difference.JaShea99 said:
I mean he literally just explained the difference.Callumcafc said:Sorry but I think that’s nonsense. For one, not every kid wants to be a YouTube star.Second, there are most definitely still kids that want to be footballers or musicians and I’m sure they all believe it’ll be easier than it truly is. What’s the difference?Just looks like an opportunity to bash young people because it’s not something you can imagine you would’ve been interested in. Doesn’t sit right with me.
Kids don’t want to become a YouTube influencer because they think it’ll be easy later in life. Very rarely are kids the age of 10 seriously considering career options and weighing the pros and cons of work-life balance!
They want to do YouTube because watching these videos and keeping up with their micro-celebrities is their hobby. Much like going to the football and wanting to be a footballer will be a hobby of other kids0 -
Have Chelsea started hoovering up Youtubers yet?5
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I have friends who are musicians and successful on YouTube, they don’t have live careers anymore because they don’t have the time for it.
Their channels require them to be Director, Producer, Presenter, Scriptwriter, Camera lighting and Editor (that’s before creating the musical content)
Their studios that were once used for music are now more like film sets, they mostly started it seriously in Lockdown as their incomes disappeared. It required learning a whole new industry and they mostly say it’s a lot more work, as before it was just about writing and playing, but now they have all the other stuff too.
If I had to say which was easier, provided you have the talent I would say being a footballer as you can just go and play, if you’re a YouTuber then everything else is also compulsory as theirs no content without it.
I suppose you could liken it to our players being the media department on top of their training (don’t get any ideas Thomas!).
YouTube allows you to do everything yourself, doesn’t mean it’s easier; just means you can.5 -
Do you play an instrument? I play guitar and when i learned to play the solo to don't look back in anger it was great that i could play it. But it does remove that "super human" element that you describe about musicians.cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.0 -
But you didn't write don't look back in anger.Kindoncasella said:
Do you play an instrument? I play guitar and when i learned to play the solo to don't look back in anger it was great that i could play it. But it does remove that "super human" element that you describe about musicians.cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.1 -
I also play guitar. The ‘super human’ element to me for musicians isn’t just the technical aspect, but the fact that they could dream up something that sounded so good, and then go and play it live on stage and have 80,000 people sing every word back to them. In fact, Noel Gallagher himself has said in interviews before that even though his work isn’t technically that difficult to play, people will still kick themselves that they didn’t think of it first.Kindoncasella said:
Do you play an instrument? I play guitar and when i learned to play the solo to don't look back in anger it was great that i could play it. But it does remove that "super human" element that you describe about musicians.cafctom said:At the risk of sounding a bit dated, even for someone in their mid-thirties, I still can’t grasp what makes them so interesting to younger people?
As a teen I looked up to my favourite footballers, musicians etc. They seemed super human. They felt larger than life. And even now I still think of them in that sense from time to time.YouTubers….I just can’t get my head around the appeal. At least the scale of the appeal, anyway.2
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