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Match Thread: England vs Hungary 4th, Germany 7th, Italy 11th and Hungary 14th June 2022
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I'm not sure that saying 'if we hadn't won a match we'd have lost a match and people would be sad instead of happy' is much of a could have to debate, is it? If any manager throughout history had some of their best wins taken off them then we'd view them differently. The public might change their mind on Messi if he hadn't scored all those goals.CAFCTrev said:
Because debating the could haves shouldn't happen on a football forum?Garrymanilow said:
Yes, and we could easily have won the shootout against Italy and been European Champions. If we're going to start saying 'if we'd lost the match we won we'd not have done as well in the tournament' then we've reached a level of pointlessness that even Charlton Life isn't ready for.CAFCTrev said:
Exactly, and we could have easily lost the shootout to Colombia in the last 16, the public might have turned on Southgate then if that happened.eaststandmike said:Why are people so shocked? We had easy routes to semi's and the final in the last two tournaments making us look better than we are. As soon as we come up against a decent side we crumble. Not looked at the next world cup but if the route to the final is tougher than the last two I expect an exit in the last 16.
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If you make it sound as dumb and basic as that, then sure. By that rationale surely the countless Charlton match threads where we've debated what might have been if we 'got that penalty', or if 'that goal wasn't offside' are equally pointless then.Garrymanilow said:
I'm not sure that saying 'if we hadn't won a match we'd have lost a match and people would be sad instead of happy' is much of a could have to debate, is it? If any manager throughout history had some of their best wins taken off them then we'd view them differently. The public might change their mind on Messi if he hadn't scored all those goals.CAFCTrev said:
Because debating the could haves shouldn't happen on a football forum?Garrymanilow said:
Yes, and we could easily have won the shootout against Italy and been European Champions. If we're going to start saying 'if we'd lost the match we won we'd not have done as well in the tournament' then we've reached a level of pointlessness that even Charlton Life isn't ready for.CAFCTrev said:
Exactly, and we could have easily lost the shootout to Colombia in the last 16, the public might have turned on Southgate then if that happened.eaststandmike said:Why are people so shocked? We had easy routes to semi's and the final in the last two tournaments making us look better than we are. As soon as we come up against a decent side we crumble. Not looked at the next world cup but if the route to the final is tougher than the last two I expect an exit in the last 16.0 -
3 glorified freindlies at the end of a long season - i wont lose sleep over it.8
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It was quite amusing us losing 4 nil to Hungary0
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Can’t see past Argentina, they looked tasty at Wembley.
We’ll huff and puff and grind out a quarter or semi which is good cos these players aren’t anywhere near as good as past teams
I was looking at the team that played France in 2004 euros (admittedly subs were pony but the starting 11 ) and lost to two late Zidane goals in injury time in the group stage … we eventually lost to Portugal on pens in quarters I think.
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Before Euro 2020, Id argue 2004 was our best chance of a trophy. If only that Sol Campbell goal in ET against Portugal wasn't disallowed.oohaahmortimer said:Can’t see past Argentina, they looked tasty at Wembley.
We’ll huff and puff and grind out a quarter or semi which is good cos these players aren’t anywhere near as good as past teams
I was looking at the team that played France in 2004 euros (admittedly subs were pony but the starting 11 ) and lost to two late Zidane goals in injury time in the group stage … we eventually lost to Portugal on pens in quarters I think.5 -
Now where have I heard that before…SELR_addicks said:
Kind of the point, it was our tournament to win it. We had the form, we had the best squad in the competition.cafctom said:
Right. So other strong footballing nations like France, Germany, Portugal and Belgium all faltered early-ish in the tournament but we didn’t.SELR_addicks said:
They did only win 1 game the whole tournament.cafctom said:Noticeable last Summer how all of a sudden a side like Germany were considered “not that good” only once England had beaten them….We didn’t get shown up by anybody, regardless of whatever revisionist nonsense comes out about the Final itself - where everybody became a tactical expert in the aftermath.This is the first proper bump in the road in Southgate’s 5 years - and if it comes in the Nations League then so be it.He’s not beyond criticism, but he’s well in credit. And for somebody to come in and better him then they need to win the World Cup - simple as that.
We took the early lead in the final....then just faded away and let Italy dominate for 60 minutes + ET.1 -
This ^^^Covered End said:
It wasn't a World Cup game.Manic_mania said:
Errr yes.. you can do exactly that.Carter said:You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty.
We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned.
If this was a normal world cup year, THIS is the fucking garbage we would be served up right now. How much recovery would they have had? stop making excuses
the world cup has been played for decades after the normal season in june/july
It was the 4th friendly (dressed up as a competition) in 11 days in June when the players should have been on the beach recovering from a 10 month season.
I'm surprised some people think friendlies against Hungary hold the same importance as a World Cup.Plus the fact that we are not the best footballing nation in the world , and it’s pretty unlikely that we ever will be. The fact that the Premier League is very rich doesn’t mean we’ll win major tournaments, or even necessarily reach the final stages every time.I’d rate us in the top 10 perhaps, so getting to the last eight is decent, any further is a bonus.As fans I’d rate in the Top 20 at best. We turn at the drop of the hat, we have crap songs, and we fight too much.0 -
I would have said it was a perfectly good goal too. But England are never unlucky are they...CAFCTrev said:
Before Euro 2020, Id argue 2004 was our best chance of a trophy. If only that Sol Campbell goal in ET against Portugal wasn't disallowed.oohaahmortimer said:Can’t see past Argentina, they looked tasty at Wembley.
We’ll huff and puff and grind out a quarter or semi which is good cos these players aren’t anywhere near as good as past teams
I was looking at the team that played France in 2004 euros (admittedly subs were pony but the starting 11 ) and lost to two late Zidane goals in injury time in the group stage … we eventually lost to Portugal on pens in quarters I think.2 -
The same thing happen against Argentina in '98 too - We had an unfair goal disallowed during Extra-Time
- Ironically was Campbell both time.
- Score was 2-2 both times
- We lost on penalty, both times!!1 - Sponsored links:
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Any idea how Kane gets away with media scrutiny?
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He makes a lot of it, but his standing foot was kicked.2
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Everything is “embarrassing” nowadays apparently.mendonca said:Any idea how Kane gets away with media scrutiny?And no, we aren’t hearing too much about it - probably because the bigger topic is the fact that the team got the biggest tonking on home soil in 94 years which is a bit more of a pressing topic.2 -
Only foreign players dive and cheat. Same as in league football when it’s only northern teams who are always dirty.mendonca said:Any idea how Kane gets away with media scrutiny?2 -
I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.0 -
Good spot! I hadn’t noticed that.Algarveaddick said:He makes a lot of it, but his standing foot was kicked.1 -
We lost 4-0 to Hungary.JamesSeed said:I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.
Lots of criticism about being unhappy we had our worst home loss in 90 years. I don't get it.0 -
biggest margin in a home defeat since 1928 !! .. this team had no pride, they did not want to be there, where is the joy at playing for your country ? .. as far as I am concerned they are a bunch of over spoilt, over ;paid silly little kids doing stupid drawings and play acting for the TV before the first Hungary game .. did you see that ? .. fuck the tattoos and the silly haircuts, just get out there and play with some spirit or stay with your clubs, forget about playing for England and let the manager find a squad that does want to playSELR_addicks said:
We lost 4-0 to Hungary.JamesSeed said:I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.
Lots of criticism about being unhappy we had our worst home loss in 90 years. I don't get it.4 -
Fucking hell what a shit takeJamesSeed said:
This ^^^Covered End said:
It wasn't a World Cup game.Manic_mania said:
Errr yes.. you can do exactly that.Carter said:You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty.
We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned.
If this was a normal world cup year, THIS is the fucking garbage we would be served up right now. How much recovery would they have had? stop making excuses
the world cup has been played for decades after the normal season in june/july
It was the 4th friendly (dressed up as a competition) in 11 days in June when the players should have been on the beach recovering from a 10 month season.
I'm surprised some people think friendlies against Hungary hold the same importance as a World Cup.Plus the fact that we are not the best footballing nation in the world , and it’s pretty unlikely that we ever will be. The fact that the Premier League is very rich doesn’t mean we’ll win major tournaments, or even necessarily reach the final stages every time.I’d rate us in the top 10 perhaps, so getting to the last eight is decent, any further is a bonus.As fans I’d rate in the Top 20 at best. We turn at the drop of the hat, we have crap songs, and we fight too much.0 -
Harry Kane is now so good that he can actually hover in mid-air when his lone standing foot is kicked away.
Honestly, we got spanked 4 zip at home by Hungary and that’s what he tweeted about. England flag in the bio as well. Helmet.1 - Sponsored links:
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And they keep coming. You cannot seriously be unable to fathom why we have higher expectations in football than the Irish?JamesSeed said:I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.
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This is total drivel.JamesSeed said:I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.3 -
Wow with this outdated waffle.Lincsaddick said:
biggest margin in a home defeat since 1928 !! .. this team had no pride, they did not want to be there, where is the joy at playing for your country ? .. as far as I am concerned they are a bunch of over spoilt, over ;paid silly little kids doing stupid drawings and play acting for the TV before the first Hungary game .. did you see that ? .. fuck the tattoos and the silly haircuts, just get out there and play with some spirit or stay with your clubs, forget about playing for England and let the manager find a squad that does want to playSELR_addicks said:
We lost 4-0 to Hungary.JamesSeed said:I just wish we could get into the underdogs mentality, rather than having these unrealistic expectations. The plucky English making it to a final rather than ‘what a disgrace, we played well for half an hour, then we were rubbish’.
I always thought the Irish fans in particular seem to have an absolute blast when they qualify for a major tournament, and any win is treated like a great triumph, any defeat a temporary setback. We English normally just get nervous during the tournament, and depressed when it’s over.
Lots of criticism about being unhappy we had our worst home loss in 90 years. I don't get it.
Short memories from last summer when these fans and players were on the same wavelength and we had total pride in our ‘over spoilt over paid silly kids’.Last night was a total shambles but the lack of perspective is frightening. I swear some people don’t even follow England most of the time.8 -
I'm ready to be shouted down but once again I say England will never win anything whilst Southall is manager. All you people that keep going on repeating his record in the last 2 major tournaments seem to be ignoring the players England have at the moment. Imo he cost us both of those tournaments due to his negativity. Look at how these same players are now playing for england, they are so negative it's like watching us last season. Someone mentioned why jude Bellingham has stopped pressing forward like he used to ? I tell you why Southgate is stopping him because he is negative in his approach. A top manager would take these players to major honours by allowing them to play to their strengths. Southall is to scared to do so0
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Southgate not Southall
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Hahaha apologies he isnt THAT bad 😂😂Covered End said:Southgate not Southall0 -
And he should stick to football and not get involved with politics.Gammon said:
I’m sure you have no agenda here. Argue about his football not his politics.Major said:
Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?Carter said:You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty.
We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned.
It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.
Needs to take a lesson from Eddie Howe.1 -
Yes, of course. But now it's tired and stale.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
This is one of the most ridiculous posts i've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot.Major said:
Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?Carter said:You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty.
We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned.
It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.
You do realise we did the same during the Euro's yes?
Just like Englands performances have become/0 -
Ignorance is bliss. Try reading.Leroy Ambrose said:
Fuck - and I cannot stress this strongly enough - off.Major said:
Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?Carter said:You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty.
We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned.
It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.0
