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Match Thread: England vs Hungary 4th, Germany 7th, Italy 11th and Hungary 14th June 2022

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  • sinceiwasyoung
    sinceiwasyoung Posts: 1,040
    I never thought I'd say this  , but we missed Declan Rice tonight  , he links the play so we'll.  For me Saka got found out the most .
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Wow. Been out tonight, so missed this, that's a shocking result however tired or demotivated the players were
  • cafcsinger
    cafcsinger Posts: 5,548
    Southgate is useless, time for him to go
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,984
    edited June 2022
    golfaddick said:
    Pile of crap this Nations League. As well as playing 4 games in 10 days after a 10 month season.
    This.
    We are basically playing our reserves for what is our 4th game in 10 days in June.
    It's June, we should be watching the cricket and the footballers deserve to still be on holiday.
    I don't blame the players at all. I blame the organisers of the schedule.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    edited June 2022
    Graham Potter is the 3/1 favourite to be the next England manager. Eddie Howe next at around 6/1. Pochettino could be an interesting candidate. I was against a foreign coach but he is pretty well respected in England, especially by the Captain. 
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,664
    cafcfan1990 said:
    Graham Potter is the 3/1 favourite to be the next England manager. Eddie Howe next at around 6/1. Pochettino could be an interesting candidate. I was against a foreign coach but he is pretty well respected in England, especially by the Captain. 
    Pochettino is overrated. I'd give it to Potter, Brighton play some lovely stuff. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,984
    edited June 2022
    ValleyGary said:
    Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).

    The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
    I'd be surprised if many player want to be playing 4 "friendly" games in June.
    I know I wouldn't.
    They should be on their holidays for at least 4-6 weeks.
    I honestly feel sorry for them, they need a break.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Covered End said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).

    The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
    I'd be surprised if many player wants to be playing 4 "friendly" games in June.
    I know I wouldn't.
    They should be on their holidays for at least 4-6 weeks.
    I honestly feel sorry for them, they need a break.
    Yep, completely agree. They don't get much sympathy because of what they're paid but with pre-season fast approaching the scheduling was idiotic. They clearly need a break, of course how much that impacted the performances and results is questionable. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    Have the Hungarian players had a similar schedule? Genuine question
  • Clem_Snide
    Clem_Snide Posts: 11,736
    To a man, the players looked completely disinterested in th 3 games I saw (missed Italy). 

    Tonight was another level of shit. Haven't seen England that poor for a long time.

    Is it the beginning of the end for Southgate? Who knows. I think it shows that the depth in the squad isn't quite a good as some would believe. Amazed that Pope wasn't given some time, Ramsdale was awful tonight.

    I'm not sure that England have gone from potential world cup winners to "the worst team I have seen in years" in the space of 4 pointless friendlies where scratch teams have been put out and most players are pissed off because they think they should be on holiday.
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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Gribbo said:
    Have the Hungarian players had a similar schedule? Genuine question
    Generally, no. You think the Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City players all had long seasons as they reached the latter stages of all three cup competitions. The Hungarian league is also only 33 matches so you're looking at around 20 games less than the top sides in England. 
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    edited June 2022
    69 years ago.

    England v Hungary 3-6 1953 - YouTube

    At least we had an excuse then ... too many Woodbines ... and rickets, of course.

    I saw a glimpse of 'Garnerball' from Hungary tonight ... high press and lively forwards.

    4-2 is the new clean sheet win.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Clem_Snide said:
    To a man, the players looked completely disinterested in th 3 games I saw (missed Italy). 

    Tonight was another level of shit. Haven't seen England that poor for a long time.

    Is it the beginning of the end for Southgate? Who knows. I think it shows that the depth in the squad isn't quite a good as some would believe. Amazed that Pope wasn't given some time, Ramsdale was awful tonight.

    I'm not sure that England have gone from potential world cup winners to "the worst team I have seen in years" in the space of 4 pointless friendlies where scratch teams have been put out and most players are pissed off because they think they should be on holiday.
    I've always thought the depth was overrated. We have some decent attacking players but only that and right-back has good depth. Everyone thought Ramsdale was shit this time last year, our CB's are average, we didn't have a left back in the squad and we're still lacking in midfield. Up top, nobody knows who is second choice behind Kane, nobody in England stood out so Abraham was given another chance. 
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,364
    edited June 2022
    Was at the game, and it was absolutely atrocious. No defending it.

    After the game, the players came towards the main kop where the supporters club fans were based and they looked genuinely shell shocked. Couple of the players holding their hands up in apology before clapping the fans.

    I’m very much in support of Southgate, but sadly I agree with the suggestion that there are a number of people who really wanted a result like this just to say “told you so”. 

    On a separate note - watching England at a club stadium felt much more enjoyable than at Wembley (performance aside).


  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,240
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,864
    It's an awful result and a painful shocking one.

    I hope the result stays in the players mind and it angers them before heading towards the world cup. The memory can be used as some extra bit of fuel. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    This’ll all be forgotten about once we get a bye an easy run to the semis but woe betide we get unlucky and bump in to a behemoth of a footballing nation like Croatia along the way 
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,257
    is anyone really using the number of games as an excuse..? in a world cup year??? Ok...
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,257
    edited June 2022
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
    Errr yes.. you can do exactly that.

    If this was a normal world cup year, THIS is the fucking garbage we would be served up right now. How much recovery would they have had? stop making excuses 

    the world cup has been played for decades after the normal season in june/july
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,026
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
    Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?
    It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.
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  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Manic_mania said:
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
    Errr yes.. you can do exactly that.

    If this was a normal world cup year, THIS is the fucking garbage we would be served up right now. How much recovery would they have had? stop making excuses 

    the world cup has been played for decades after the normal season in june/july
    Not necessarily the same is it though. After a long hard season the motivation to play a few glorified friendlies isn't the same as a World Cup. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    Southgate - "I am really clear on what works for us as a group and what doesn't work as a group"

    Pretty clear that this means playing 352 instead of the 433 we played last night. On reflection i think it was a pretty makeshift side. I think if you add Chilwell, Maguire, Rice, Sterling and Foden to the starting lineup, with James at RWB then there's no way we get beat like that.

    I think we'll see him go full strength (injuries permitting) for the last 2 games in September.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,223
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 

    This is the worst result I can remember for England, with the most talented team of my lifetime, you definitely can blame southgate
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    Keeper did himself no favours last night, was there an England man of the match?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I think Southgate has too much loyalty which is a big mistake. Because Phillips did a job for him at the Euros, it should not be overlooked that he can't play the position he was given yesterday. Two advanced skillful midfielders who require quick accurate ball. Phillips hasn't got this in his skillset but Southgate took Gallagher and Bellingham off and kept Phillips on.

    I thought James and Kane had ok ish games.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    Keeper poor, Phillips poor, Bellingham poor, Bowen poor. Hungary four goals from five shots, another day that's one goal. England two shots on target, just not good enough. Red card appauling, if VAR does not cover an incident like that, then get rid (or use it for every single decision, as I have said all along - though I don't agree with it's use at all, actually).

    Rather this week than in November/December. 


  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,674
    Thank god for the cricket.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    oohaahmortimer said:
    This’ll all be forgotten about once we get a bye an easy run to the semis but woe betide we get unlucky and bump in to a behemoth of a footballing nation like Croatia along the way 
    Different Croatia to the one that beat France at home 48 hours ago of course. Could be that we play someone like Germany and get stuffed agai... 

    Ah, but "they were not the Germany of old...", "it would have been different if we didn't have home advantage" - insert your own lets-never-give-England-any-credit cliche here...  
  • Gammon
    Gammon Posts: 338
    edited June 2022
    Major said:
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
    Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?
    It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.
    I’m sure you have no agenda here. Argue about his football not his politics.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,778
    Major said:
    Carter said:
    You cannot blame Southgate for this result or any of the performances, its ridiculous to schedule these games the way they have. No wonder clubs get pissy about players going on international duty. 

    We have a world cup coming up in the middle of the season because FIFA are run by corrupt maggots and toads and now the nations league which started as an honourable distraction from pointless friendlies scheduling games bang on top of each other with no time to rest, recover, train and prepare in between. In June! Fucking let them have a proper break, all this has done is let a ton of people throw mud at the most successful manager we have had in most of our lifetimes and propose we replace him rather than acknowledge the fixtures have been atrociously planned. 
    Yes you can blame woke Southgate. How can you fire up your team for kick off, when you make them kneel first?
    It's a submissive gesture. Never mind the fact he obviously knows F all about what's really behind BLM.

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