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Match Thread: England vs Hungary 4th, Germany 7th, Italy 11th and Hungary 14th June 2022
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How can it be blamed on tiredness - All the whinging about the World Cup being in the wrong place...hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Lost twice to Hungary and failed to score - what exactly were the positives?
Can't blame it all on tiredness.
One goal in 4 games.
If it was in the right place, it would be just getting started, and we'd have played two friendlies already4 -
Bizarre yellow card. VAR should be used for ALL red cards, not just straight reds.ForeverAddickted said:Shocking refereeing... Isnt there VAR in place? - It was for the Germany game!!1 -
You've left Grealish out! Surely he must start?ForeverAddickted said:World Cup starting eleven has all but picked itself though, and should be the focal point for Italy / Germany in September if possible
Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Stones
X - Rice - X - Shaw
Foden - Kane - X
Three spots available because Alexander-Arnold | James - Bellingham | Phillips - Mount | Sterling | Saka havent done enough this month3 -
How much can we blame on players being exhausted from league and matches? Asking genuinely as this was a sorry affair0
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Yup accidental... Would have him in the Mount - Sterling - Saka debate.Redmidland said:
You've left Grealish out! Surely he must start?ForeverAddickted said:World Cup starting eleven has all but picked itself though, and should be the focal point for Italy / Germany in September if possible
Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Stones
X - Rice - X - Shaw
Foden - Kane - X
Three spots available because Alexander-Arnold | James - Bellingham | Phillips - Mount | Sterling | Saka havent done enough this month
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The Coles have obviously read my analysis of Maguire's positioning on here and decided to pass it off as their own on TV1
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Southgate is throwing himself under the bus to protect the players.
Some will say its fully deserved and that it is on him
I thought there were too many naive individual errors out there, and he's being clever to protect confidence in the squad1 -
started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
lost four nil.
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Could you get any more simplistic with that?Manic_mania said:started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
lost four nil.
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Agree with those who say he's earned the right to take us to the World Cup. Also believe no one else would now have time to really have a decent look at the players before then etc.
But I must admit I don't fancy our chances of doing much in the WC. The last two tournaments were the best chances we've had in a while (draw opened up in WC, then essentially a home tournament) and I don't think a boiling hot mid-season WC plays favours us much.
Think he could then go.1 - Sponsored links:
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Only positive for me tonight, was the fact it wasn’t Nick Pope in goal!1
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man no win kick ball match. man badForeverAddickted said:
Could you get any more simplistic with that?Manic_mania said:started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
lost four nil.
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Maybe you can!! lol!Manic_mania said:
man no win kick ball match. man badForeverAddickted said:
Could you get any more simplistic with that?Manic_mania said:started off as caretaker manager - got good results - made everyone feel optimistic and like things were going to change - players let him down like they did all the other managers before him. Questionable tactics.
lost four nil.
deja vu?
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Haven't enjoyed watching England under Southgate. Nice bloke but limited in terms of tactics.
Last 4 games have been a reality check.
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Yes the same questions are being asked of France and Deschamps. A lot of people want him gone and Zidane brought in. Belgium are not a good comparison as they have 7 points and 9 goals from their 4 games.ValleyGary said:Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
It's not an overreaction at all, when we've scored a penalty in 4 games, played terribly in most games and just had our worst home defeat for 94 years.
No one will deny Southgate has done well at the last 2 tournaments and i agree there's no way they're going to get rid 5 months before the world cup, but even the most positive of England fans has to be worried about what they've seen in the last 2 weeks. We've been dreadful.1 -
Great night for Hungary.
The point I have been trying to make for sometime is the possession stat is the most over rated stat going.
England had 69% possession.
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We certainly look dreadful.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Yes the same questions are being asked of France and Deschamps. A lot of people want him gone and Zidane brought in. Belgium are not a good comparison as they have 7 points and 9 goals from their 4 games.ValleyGary said:Theres absolutely no way the FA are gonna sack Southgate off the back of a crap nations league none of them wanted to participate in. Are the same questions being asked of France? Belgium who were beat 4-1 at home (KDB actually said they don’t even wanna be there).The main focus is 5 months away in Qatar. Won’t stop a total overreaction towards the manager tho.
It's not an overreaction at all, when we've scored a penalty in 4 games, played terribly in most games and just had our worst home defeat for 94 years.
No one will deny Southgate has done well at the last 2 tournaments and i agree there's no way they're going to get rid 5 months before the world cup, but even the most positive of England fans has to be worried about what they've seen in the last 2 weeks. We've been dreadful.0 -
Let’s hope we see a big reaction in September after a break, a balanced left sided player playing, Rice back in, and at least one creative wide forward starting. Southgate really needs to get those right cos that hype around a decent World Cup is fading fast.1
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nicesoapboxsam said:Great night for Hungary.
The point I have been trying to make for sometime is the possession stat is the most over rated stat going.
England had 69% possession. 0 -
Chilwell should start ahead of Shaw.ForeverAddickted said:World Cup starting eleven has all but picked itself though, and should be the focal point for Italy / Germany in September if possible
Pickford
Walker - Maguire - Stones
X - Rice - X - Shaw
Foden - Kane - X
Three spots available because Alexander-Arnold | James - Bellingham | Phillips - Mount | Sterling | Saka havent done enough this month
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one bright spot - it will be fun watching Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and most modern Man U fans experiencing the feeling of relegation6
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I think Southgate peaked at the Euros. We could and should of won that tournament. Italy's change of game plan, and our lack of response from GS, In that game ultimately cost the team psychologically.
He's been brilliant for England, I'm grateful for what he's achieved, reinstating the togetherness and spirit..now its for someone ( I don't have an immediate suggestion) to build on it with more tactical nouse.
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Reminds me of the Adkins era towards the end. To many team changes from one match to the other. Select your best 11 & stick to it. If you can't because of tiredness/ 4 games in 10 days then say something at the time. Tell UEFA the schedule is crazy. If you not brave enough to speakup then deal with it.
Just seen the red card. Ha ha ha ha. Southgate should have just told the players to walk off. No-one has the bollox these days to stand up to officialdom.2 -
They'll suddenly get German passports.Manic_mania said:one bright spot - it will be fun watching Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and most modern Man U fans experiencing the feeling of relegation0 -
Let us give Hungary their due.
They beat us twice in a week. Ergo ~ they are better than us at football. All this bunkum about longseasons and Gareth Southgate badger being limited in tactics.
The Euros clearly showed us Southgate isn't the guy to win trophies ~ even when he is handed the trophy on the plate with arguably the best squad we have ever had, conspired to hand a pair of Italian octogenarians in the Italian defence a major trophy with our name on. An earlier comment is right ~ we will never get such an easy chance to win a major trophy.
After the Euros we clearly saw that we had only 4 men out there. The rest were elite athletic boys none of whom are leaders.
Trophies are won by leaders throughout the team.
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Wonder if Ben Garner will get the gig, could be the quickest ascension to the England job, ever!0
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Absolutely no chance you can pick the same team after a long grueling season for 4 games in 10 days. Agree with your comments about scheduling, but you could also argue that playing different players in these games is exactly what's needed, this was essentially our pre-season to the World Cup.golfaddick said:Reminds me of the Adkins era towards the end. To many team changes from one match to the other. Select your best 11 & stick to it. If you can't because of tiredness/ 4 games in 10 days then say something at the time. Tell UEFA the schedule is crazy. If you not brave enough to speakup then deal with it.
Just seen the red card. Ha ha ha ha. Southgate should have just told the players to walk off. No-one has the bollox these days to stand up to officialdom.2 -
Maguire, Kane, Henderson, Rice. The rest are all found out at International level. And even a few of these four are being found out now0
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I still think that's unfair. That squad was the most talented we've had in my lifetime, people talk about the attacking options we have now but that squad had quality all over the pitch. We were probably an attacking player or two short in terms of depth but that first XI on paper should have been better.ForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I've very little sympathy for any of that squad.cafcfan1990 said:
Very harsh on both, particularly Ashley. He always turned up, especially in the big games. He couldn’t control the whole team.ForeverAddickted said:lol!... Lets hear about the attitude of the players from the likes of Joe and Ashley Cole!!
Pot pissing kettle...
Those two were part of the most embarrassing era of English Football
Especially when you hear Ferdinand / Gerrard talking about the club culture.
Some may have shown up, but to put club before country is unforgivable.
I agree on the culture, although it's mainly spoken about in terms of Liverpool v Man Utd, I'm not sure Ashley Cole fits into that. We're guessing how he felt but his performances in the major tournaments told me he had the right attitude that's for sure.1 -
How are they being "found out"? Some of them just aren't top class. Maguire and Stones aren't top level defenders on a regular basis and have always played better in a three. Sterling has over 70 caps and was our best player last summer. I think the only player you can really accuse of being "found out" is someone like Kalvin Phillips.ValleyOfTears said:Maguire, Kane, Henderson, Rice. The rest are all found out at International level. And even a few of these four are being found out now1
