Mason Burstow - on loan to Bolton from Hull (p53)

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being at work I can not open the twitter links can someone post a pic of the tweet please !! 

Cafc43v3r said:

Weegie Addick said:

Not even a mention on Sky even though it’s Chelsea.

Must be conspiracy or they are actually talking about things that are confirmed or are players 90% of people of heard of?

I really don't get why there has to be a badie in everything.  Sky, the agent, the player, the buying club, the owner, the tea lady.

This is not a case of anyone doing anything wrong.  The player will have received an offer he would have been stupid to say no to, the owner will have received an offer he is happy to accept.

We have probably covered the cost of the academy for the next 2 or 3 years.  It hasn't cost us promotion, it almost certainly (after tonight's result) cost us relegation.

But someone needs to be blamed 🤷‍♂️

Not necessarily blaming. But anyone who thinks it’s just the way football is that a club can pay a teenager with about 10 league starts £20,000 a week with realistically the smallest chance he will ever play for their first team, without seeing that as a problem, is living in cuckoo land.

Croydon said:

soapboxsam said:

I don't do Valley Gold but I have two brothers who pay their money.

Surely it's pointless as if anyone plays a couple of good games in the first team they are off. Most youth team players just leave because their not good enough and the average stay at Cafc.

So our best young talent leaves after  a dozen games and this pays for the journeymen players that we purchase.

I hate Chelsea. They give Mason a six week trial in 2020 and consider he isn't Good enough. He comes to Cafc via Maidstone.
Now Mason scores again Fleetwood and Crewe and they want him. 

Valley gold would have barely contributed to his development. We poached him in 2020, and he signed a pro contract the same year.

If the rumoured figures are true, this is a great bit of business.

You don't poach players from conference south teams ?

Aren't Maidstone part time ? Was Burstow on a contract at Maidstone ? 
Yes I know Mason wasn't at Cafc for long.

Lookman, Aribo and Mason all joined CAFC with a view to using Cafc as a springboard at about 15 and 16 but I still feel gutted every time they leave.

@ButtleJR thank you

soapboxsam said:

I don't do Valley Gold but I have two brothers who pay their money.

Surely it's pointless as if anyone plays a couple of good games in the first team they are off. Most youth team players just leave because their not good enough and the average stay at Cafc.

So our best young talent leaves after  a dozen games and this pays for the journeymen players that we purchase.

I hate Chelsea. They give Mason a six week trial in 2020 and consider he isn't Good enough. He comes to Cafc via Maidstone.
Now Mason scores again Fleetwood and Crewe and they want him. 

I do DO Valley Gold and if Burstow is sold for a decent fee, (a big ‘if’ I agree) then surely it’s money we’ll spent (we are in league one we have to be realistic). Assuming the money is used for squad strengthening, then that’s great, surely ? I want to see Charlton progress as a club, if Chelsea want to throw money at an unproven striker then fine, as long as we are well compensated and use the money to strengthen the squad. 

soapboxsam said:

Croydon said:

soapboxsam said:

I don't do Valley Gold but I have two brothers who pay their money.

Surely it's pointless as if anyone plays a couple of good games in the first team they are off. Most youth team players just leave because their not good enough and the average stay at Cafc.

So our best young talent leaves after  a dozen games and this pays for the journeymen players that we purchase.

I hate Chelsea. They give Mason a six week trial in 2020 and consider he isn't Good enough. He comes to Cafc via Maidstone.
Now Mason scores again Fleetwood and Crewe and they want him. 

Valley gold would have barely contributed to his development. We poached him in 2020, and he signed a pro contract the same year.

If the rumoured figures are true, this is a great bit of business.

You don't poach players from conference south teams ?

Aren't Maidstone part time ? Was Burstow on a contract at Maidstone ? 
Yes I know Mason wasn't at Cafc for long.

Lookman, Aribo and Mason all joined CAFC with a view to using Cafc as a springboard at about 15 and 16 but I still feel gutted every time they leave.

To be fair, we'll have made money on them every time.

Wouldn't complain if we keep managing to sign talented 15-16 year olds and selling them on at a profit at 18, 19, 20.

Key thing is using the money well if it does happen.

Oggy Red said:

Callumcafc said:

https://talksport.com/football/1031921/chelsea-clinch-deadline-day-deal-charlton-strike-mason-burstow/

Ha ha ...... look at the photo caption. Talkshite.
"Burstow has broken into the first team at Chelsea this season".

Edit: Now someone else has spotted the typo and changed it. I copied and pasted, and posted it direct from their site when I originally posted.

First rule of being a nit-picking smartarse on the internet, always screenshot before pointing and laughing

This looks to be  a reasonably accurate summary of how Chelsea use the loan system to create a regular revenue stream. Interestingly in the summer 31 players also left Chelsea permanently, some big transfers, but many rather obscure frees, eg. Jack Wakely, a 21 year old defender who went on a free to Wycombe. That Wikipedia page shows the first team squad of 29 players but does not list the U23 or U18 squads, so I'm not quite sure the list of loans fully covers younger Chelsea players on loan.

I'm not particularly criticising anyone at Charlton for this situation and certainly not Burstow. Nor am I quite sure what I would criticise Chelsea for here, even though I hate them and especially Abramovic and look forward to Liz Truss closing them down. What i think the above shows is what the obscene concentration of money within the FAPL has resulted in, including the way EPPP has been set up. 

One thing to note though is that the incoming FIFA rule changes on loans would clip their wings a bit, which makes it all the more puzzling why Chelsea think it's worth diving in like this at the last minute.

And it is an inconvenient truth that Mason, like Joe Aribo and Lookman, wasn't an academy product anyway. 


 

Part of me thinks good luck to him. Part of me thinks of Meire and come to Charlton to ‘see the next stars of the premier league’.  But blink and you’ve missed it.

Andyessgee90 said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Weegie Addick said:

Not even a mention on Sky even though it’s Chelsea.

Must be conspiracy or they are actually talking about things that are confirmed or are players 90% of people of heard of?

I really don't get why there has to be a badie in everything.  Sky, the agent, the player, the buying club, the owner, the tea lady.

This is not a case of anyone doing anything wrong.  The player will have received an offer he would have been stupid to say no to, the owner will have received an offer he is happy to accept.

We have probably covered the cost of the academy for the next 2 or 3 years.  It hasn't cost us promotion, it almost certainly (after tonight's result) cost us relegation.

But someone needs to be blamed 🤷‍♂️

Not necessarily blaming. But anyone who thinks it’s just the way football is that a club can pay a teenager with about 10 league starts £20,000 a week with realistically the smallest chance he will ever play for their first team, without seeing that as a problem, is living in cuckoo land.

Of course teenagers are going to get their heads turned by that amount of money and in the case of the top clubs, how many of them actually establish themselves as first team players? So effectively a football player who doesn’t really end up playing competitive football can just be paid £20k a week. System is a shambles and for that, blame can be dished out. 

How many of these players don't go on and have a meaningful career?  There are always exceptions but who is/was good enough and didn't?

Players like Blackman and Baker don't get a gun pointed at their heads and made to sign new deals.  Players like Moses, KDB, Salah even Dasilva, Abraham, Loftus-Cheek have a career that reflects their ability.  Parker did, despite the narrative he didn't.  It was a broken leg and change of manager that stunted him, not the move its self.

Chelsea have a model, the same as Brighton, Brentford and Peterborough have.  That many want us to emulate.  The numbers are just much bigger.

In real terms it's no different to the model we do operate.  Players from Enfield, Maidstone, Staines hopefully sold for a profit.

I am sure that there are Enfield fans that accused Davison of coming to us for the money and moaned when we sent him out on loan 3 times.