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Mason Burstow - on loan to Bolton from Hull (p53)

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,170
    DDOUBLEE said:
    I don't want him back on loan FFS, pointless
    It's him or no-one though, and with Chuks feeling him hammy tonight and Stockley's mystery injury I think we'll be grateful to have him there
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Anyone able to name, I don't know, the last 5 17-19 year olds Chelsea hoovered up from league 1 clubs? 

    For multiple millions of pounds.  There must be loads of them......... 
    Welsh international from Exeter is only one I can think of. Names escapes me.
    Ampadu.
  • mattinfinland
    mattinfinland Posts: 1,096
    edited January 2022
    I understand fans frustration's about the loan back deal, I wonder how that will affect the dressing room eg: mason coming back to the club earning 10k a week compared to 1k a week before for example.

    I would take a punt on Kanu at this point. We will not go up this year and I think we have enough about us to stay up with Stockley,Aneke,Washington and Kanu
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,259
    The fact he is willing and happy to stay until the end of the season tells you something about the fellas character.
    It tells me that he wants to play some first team football in front of a crowd before being shunted back to under 23s
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,503
    Right peed me off this one. Lookman right from the start you could tell had that little bit extra. Burstow may well go on to, but he really hasn’t shown anything like that so far. His overall play has looked like he’s not even ready for League One yet. 

    Chelsea just taking a massive punt that the loan fees they get for him over the next four years and a potential Championship / lower Prem sale in a few years time will make the whole project profitable. 
    They've seen that he's a natural finisher, has good awareness in the box and puts a shift in. Once he fills out and gets stronger, he could well develop into a really decent Premier League striker. 
  • felix_31
    felix_31 Posts: 292
    felix_31 said:
    Sentiment aside, I'd rather have Fraser than Burstow for a promotion push.  And with a decent fee - we could have 6 'Fraser's.' 
    Who is Fraser assisting? 

    Washington for him to miss the 10 chances he's given on a plate? 
    The point I was making is the fee could be able to fund a very decent promotion side, including strikers.  
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    edited January 2022
    PWADDICK said:

    Chelsea are a horrible oil club
    I hate Chelsea with a passion, only surpassed by my hate of Palace.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The two CB I couldn't tell apart as I'm sure it was the one camera and no close ups but both Deji and Bakrin were raw but talented.

    Mason goal was excellent in that game and showed good composure against Birmingham.


  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,503
    felix_31 said:
    felix_31 said:
    Sentiment aside, I'd rather have Fraser than Burstow for a promotion push.  And with a decent fee - we could have 6 'Fraser's.' 
    Who is Fraser assisting? 

    Washington for him to miss the 10 chances he's given on a plate? 
    The point I was making is the fee could be able to fund a very decent promotion side, including strikers.  
    Or pay for the large squad we are currently carrying. 
  • felix_31 said:
    felix_31 said:
    Sentiment aside, I'd rather have Fraser than Burstow for a promotion push.  And with a decent fee - we could have 6 'Fraser's.' 
    Who is Fraser assisting? 

    Washington for him to miss the 10 chances he's given on a plate? 
    The point I was making is the fee could be able to fund a very decent promotion side, including strikers.  
    It could but we have made some shocking signings in recent years, how can you be sure it won’t be squandered?
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  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,688
    edited January 2022
    If Burstow has gone, it shows Thomas is a selling owner and a player barely out of the youth team is calling the shots. A good finish to the season would possibly put another £2,3,5m on his price tag. No idea what he's worth now but if Prem clubs can spend £20-30m on a young player from Championship, what is a League One starlet worth. Not saying he's Bellingham but Bellingham was £30m 2 seasons ago, so would now be £50m plus. 

    This is a Premiership club coming calling ON DEADLINE DAY FFS. Surely it tells us all we ever needed to know. They scout everywhere for the best prospects. That's all Burstow is right now, but if we'd kept him for another year, he may have got us up and we may have been in the Championship and asking double what he's worth now. 

    Thomas said he wants to build the team around its youngsters. We'll selling the buggers and buying lower league hand-me-downs isn't going to get us anywhere, unless we uncover half a dozen ala Brentford, and sell them for £10m+ each. 

  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Anyone able to name, I don't know, the last 5 17-19 year olds Chelsea hoovered up from league 1 clubs? 

    For multiple millions of pounds.  There must be loads of them......... 
    Welsh international from Exeter is only one I can think of. Names escapes me.
    But but but loads. Sort of proves my point. 
    What is your point? Not having a dig i just don’t get it? 
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,460
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Anyone able to name, I don't know, the last 5 17-19 year olds Chelsea hoovered up from league 1 clubs? 

    For multiple millions of pounds.  There must be loads of them......... 

    Look at transfermarkt for their u23 and u18 transfers in. There's at least 2 or 3 players a season at each level they pillage from lower leagues, seemingly for little compensation.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    Absolutely pointless getting him back on loan. 


  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    cafctom said:
    Think some of the suggestions here that we should be getting £6m+, £3m etc are pretty wild.

    The lad has scored two goals in League One.
    But then if we've spent £500k on Kirk, £500k on Fraser, £300k on Aneke.

    You'd hope TS & JJ etc can see a very talented 18 year old kid who's ceiling will be higher than L1, and who a few PL view the same way is worth significantly more than those type of players.

    £1-1.5m for example should not be acceptable.  I don't think £3m is at all unrealistic.

    £6m yeah, probably.
    I think the £1-1.5m is probably far closer and more realistic than the £6m. We'll probably never know, but I could see it even being below seven figures. Lookman was £7m, I think he was already an England youth international, had more experience, and was a more gifted technical player. I don't think we got anywhere near that for Burstow. 

    Probably enough to fund the fees we paid in this window. And I'd rather have Chuks than Burstow. But ideally, we'd have them both. 
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,208
    It really doesn’t matter at all…
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,836
    Davo55 said:
    I'm ok with this.  A decent fee & doesn't weaken the squad for the rest of the season.  My only concern would be the reaction of fans towards him
    I really don't think the fans will give Mason a hard time. I reckon the majority will be glad he's staying with us for the rest of this season (if that is accurate) and wish him well when he moves on.
    What’s the point of him staying? Whole point of getting him game time now was basically to ease him into league football with an eye to next season. What do we gain from blooding him now when he’s probably not quite ready for it?

    kid turns up tomorrow £10k a week better off than he was today. It’s head turning and I can’t see how that would benefit our club and the atmosphere in the group. 

    Whole thing stinks. Can’t believe a club can just hoover up young players so easily. 
    I don't like the situation either but I don't think the fans are likely to take their frustration with the Premier League talent hoovering out on the kid. And we need him to stay on loan because the timing of this deal leaves us no scope to sign a replacement. Then, Stockley is injured for God knows how long, Chuks is likely to be injured at any time, Leko isn't a striker at all and there are no other youngsters ready to step into the breach. Kanu would be a massive stretch, and not having signed a contract we'd be mad to put him in the shop window right now.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    Smithy said:
    Hope he’s not a starter unless absolutely necessary. No point developing a Chelsea player.
    Is that why Castillo or John we’re not even on the bench tonight?
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited January 2022
    PWADDICK said:

    Chelsea are a horrible oil club
    I hate Chelsea with a passion, only surpassed by my hate of Palace.
    And you know full well that not one of those people have been to a Chelsea game or ever will. 
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  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    edited January 2022
    I understand fans frustration's about the loan back deal, I wonder how that will affect the dressing room eg: mason coming back to the club earning 10k a week compared to 1k a week before for example.


    Yep. But I don't believe most players at a Third Division club would begrudge Burstow his lucky break.

    There will be plenty of banter and leg pulling, of course.
    As long as he takes it in good spirit and no Billy BigBollox stuff.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,004
    Oggy Red said:
    I understand fans frustration's about the loan back deal, I wonder how that will affect the dressing room eg: mason coming back to the club earning 10k a week compared to 1k a week before for example.


    Yep. But I don't believe most players at a Third Division club would begrudge Burstow his lucky break.

    There will be plenty of banter and leg pulling, of course.
    As long as he takes it in good spirit and no Billy BigBollox stuff.
    Exactly 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    If Burstow has gone, it shows Thomas is a selling owner and a player barely out of the youth team is calling the shots. A good finish to the season would possibly put another £2,3,5m on his price tag. No idea what he's worth now but if Prem clubs can spend £20-30m on a young player from Championship, what is a League One starlet worth. Not saying he's Bellingham but Bellingham was £30m 2 seasons ago, so would now be £50m plus. 

    This is a Premiership club coming calling ON DEADLINE DAY FFS. Surely it tells us all we ever needed to know. They scout everywhere for the best prospects. That's all Burstow is right now, but if we'd kept him for another year, he may have got us up and we may have been in the Championship and asking double what he's worth now. 

    Thomas said he wants to build the team around its youngsters. We'll selling the buggers and buying lower league hand-me-downs isn't going to get us anywhere, unless we uncover half a dozen ala Brentford, and sell them for £10m+ each. 

    ‘if we’d kept him for another year’ he’d have six months on his contract and be worth close to diddly squat.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Anyone able to name, I don't know, the last 5 17-19 year olds Chelsea hoovered up from league 1 clubs? 

    For multiple millions of pounds.  There must be loads of them......... 
    Welsh international from Exeter is only one I can think of. Names escapes me.
    But but but loads. Sort of proves my point. 
    What is your point? Not having a dig i just don’t get it? 
    That Chelsea don't buy loads of players with the same profile as Burstow. At the same price point.

    Of course they recruit dozens with different MOs but this isn't as a routine as people are suggesting. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,790
    If Burstow is being loaned back then one from Lee, Leko, Famewo, Castillo and John would have to be omitted from each matchday squad. Chances are that one of them will be injured anyway!
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    If Burstow is being loaned back then one from Lee, Leko, Famewo, Castillo and John would have to be omitted from each matchday squad. Chances are that one of them will be injured anyway!
    Well two were missing from tonight’s sixteen.
  • If Burstow has gone, it shows Thomas is a selling owner and a player barely out of the youth team is calling the shots. A good finish to the season would possibly put another £2,3,5m on his price tag. No idea what he's worth now but if Prem clubs can spend £20-30m on a young player from Championship, what is a League One starlet worth. Not saying he's Bellingham but Bellingham was £30m 2 seasons ago, so would now be £50m plus. 

    This is a Premiership club coming calling ON DEADLINE DAY FFS. Surely it tells us all we ever needed to know. They scout everywhere for the best prospects. That's all Burstow is right now, but if we'd kept him for another year, he may have got us up and we may have been in the Championship and asking double what he's worth now. 

    Thomas said he wants to build the team around its youngsters. We'll selling the buggers and buying lower league hand-me-downs isn't going to get us anywhere, unless we uncover half a dozen ala Brentford, and sell them for £10m+ each. 

    ‘if we’d kept him for another year’ he’d have six months on his contract and be worth close to diddly squat.
    Fair point. 👍
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    I don't do Valley Gold but I have two brothers who pay their money.

    Surely it's pointless as if anyone plays a couple of good games in the first team they are off. Most youth team players just leave because their not good enough and the average stay at Cafc.

    So our best young talent leaves after  a dozen games and this pays for the journeymen players that we purchase.

    I hate Chelsea. They give Mason a six week trial in 2020 and consider he isn't Good enough. He comes to Cafc via Maidstone.
    Now Mason scores again Fleetwood and Crewe and they want him. 
  • If Burstow has gone, it shows Thomas is a selling owner and a player barely out of the youth team is calling the shots. A good finish to the season would possibly put another £2,3,5m on his price tag. No idea what he's worth now but if Prem clubs can spend £20-30m on a young player from Championship, what is a League One starlet worth. Not saying he's Bellingham but Bellingham was £30m 2 seasons ago, so would now be £50m plus. 

    This is a Premiership club coming calling ON DEADLINE DAY FFS. Surely it tells us all we ever needed to know. They scout everywhere for the best prospects. That's all Burstow is right now, but if we'd kept him for another year, he may have got us up and we may have been in the Championship and asking double what he's worth now. 

    Thomas said he wants to build the team around its youngsters. We'll selling the buggers and buying lower league hand-me-downs isn't going to get us anywhere, unless we uncover half a dozen ala Brentford, and sell them for £10m+ each. 

    Didn't he only have 18 months left on his contract?

    So we could ask all we wanted at the end of next season but it'd be set by tribunal?