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Football arrests 'highest in years' & disorder on the rise - police

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  • Off_it
    Off_it
    Carter said:
    What got me with Adebayor sprinting the length of the pitch wasn't that he had anything to fear but the self important Arsenal fans not having the emotional intelligence to deal with it and let's be honest, if any of them wanted to get on the pitch and get fucked up by that big bastard they could have but instead they trampled each other and hit the invisible wall 

    I don't mind players giving it back, thats how it works 
    The force field they've installed at the Ethiad did an amazing job that day.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose
    edited January 2022
    I don't mind players 'giving it back' but in many cases they are the ones 'dishing it out.' Why don't they have the guts to take the piss out of the opposition's goalie or defender instead of the fans? Because they are gutless, that's why.

    I'd like to see Cash pump his first to Inniss or Stockley if he scored against us. In all likelihood Cash would end up with a black eye and we'd be down to ten men. 

    You can argue about the rights and wrongs of it until the cows come home but people lash out in annoyance and anger so why knowingly lead them to do so against you?  I consider these players to be idiots because even if legally speaking they are in the right, they are foolhardy to say the least.
  • cafctom
    cafctom
    edited January 2022
    Our fanbase is a little younger than it has been in previous decades (just based on observation), and I wonder if that makes a difference.

    You see a lot more people aged 16-25 following the club now than before, and often in groups. 

    Not saying all young people are troublemakers, but there is definitely much more of an edge (and with that more immaturity at times) to our support now than there was in the Premier League days. 
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder
    edited February 2022
    cafctom said:
    Our fanbase is a little younger than it has been in previous decades (just based on observation), and I wonder if that makes a difference.

    You see a lot more people aged 16-25 following the club now than before, and often in groups. 

    Not saying all young people are troublemakers, but there is definitely much more of an edge (and with that more immaturity at times) to our support now than there was in the Premier League days. 
    Yeah I get the train now as parking is so bad. Groups of 10 mask less youths swigging out of cans getting on at Belvedere, Abbey Wood. Old gits from the Radical at Plumstead too. 
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    seth plum
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  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose
    SELR_addicks said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    I don't mind players 'giving it back' but in many cases they are the ones 'dishing it out.' Why don't they have the guts to take the piss out of the opposition's goalie or defender instead of the fans? Because they are gutless, that's why.

    I'd like to see Cash pump his first to Inniss or Stockley if he scored against us. In all likelihood Cash would end up with a black eye and we'd be down to ten men. 

    You can argue about the rights and wrongs of it until the cows come home but people lash out in annoyance and anger so why knowingly lead them to do so against you?  I consider these players to be idiots because even if legally speaking they are in the right, they are foolhardy to say the least.
    This whole argument just screams to me that fans need to grow up a bit and realise their actions deserve consequences when they choose to assault people. 

    If you can't handle the opposition players celebrating a goal, perhaps you should stay at home and watch final score instead. 
    Fine, have it your way. It's not me throwing objects anyway.
    A player will get seriously injured one day but let them carry on.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks
    jimmymelrose said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    I don't mind players 'giving it back' but in many cases they are the ones 'dishing it out.' Why don't they have the guts to take the piss out of the opposition's goalie or defender instead of the fans? Because they are gutless, that's why.

    I'd like to see Cash pump his first to Inniss or Stockley if he scored against us. In all likelihood Cash would end up with a black eye and we'd be down to ten men. 

    You can argue about the rights and wrongs of it until the cows come home but people lash out in annoyance and anger so why knowingly lead them to do so against you?  I consider these players to be idiots because even if legally speaking they are in the right, they are foolhardy to say the least.
    This whole argument just screams to me that fans need to grow up a bit and realise their actions deserve consequences when they choose to assault people. 

    If you can't handle the opposition players celebrating a goal, perhaps you should stay at home and watch final score instead. 
    Fine, have it your way. It's not me throwing objects anyway.
    A player will get seriously injured one day but let them carry on.
    And you're blaming the player. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose
    edited January 2022
    SELR_addicks said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    I don't mind players 'giving it back' but in many cases they are the ones 'dishing it out.' Why don't they have the guts to take the piss out of the opposition's goalie or defender instead of the fans? Because they are gutless, that's why.

    I'd like to see Cash pump his first to Inniss or Stockley if he scored against us. In all likelihood Cash would end up with a black eye and we'd be down to ten men. 

    You can argue about the rights and wrongs of it until the cows come home but people lash out in annoyance and anger so why knowingly lead them to do so against you?  I consider these players to be idiots because even if legally speaking they are in the right, they are foolhardy to say the least.
    This whole argument just screams to me that fans need to grow up a bit and realise their actions deserve consequences when they choose to assault people. 

    If you can't handle the opposition players celebrating a goal, perhaps you should stay at home and watch final score instead. 
    Fine, have it your way. It's not me throwing objects anyway.
    A player will get seriously injured one day but let them carry on.
    And you're blaming the player. 
    No, both parties have responsibility.

    Whether we like it or not, our lives are a compilation of our experiences. If we have viewed all that has happened in our lives as being out of our control, therein lies our first problem. If we blame others for any or everything that has happened to us and take no responsibility at all, therein lies our second problem. . . .The first step in turning your life around, in changing your attitude and in becoming the person you really want to be, is to first become aware of whom you have become." Dr. LaSharnda Beckwith, It's Your Life; Own It!: No Blame, No Excuses
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed
    edited January 2022
    Sage said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Clearly it's wrong for fans to be throwing things at the opposition's players but it's wrong also for players to be goading opposition fans. It's disrespectful to the paying public.

    The fans throwing objects at the players should be punished but so too should the players.

    I would start with a 3 match ban for Cash of Aston Villa. Buendia had no reason to run and celebrate in that corner but Cash actually put his fist up at the Everton fans which is unnecessary and irresponsible. Any players making signs or shouting at opposition fans should always get a ban regardless of whether or not anything is subsequently thrown.

    The fans are rightly asked to behave themselves but the players need to do so themselves too. This generation of footballers are bloody stupid. You wouldn't go up to people in the street and make gestures at them in order to wind them up without expecting any reaction, so why do so to the very people you are performing in front of, in their stadium. If nothing is done to stop the players and their aggravating behaviour then there will eventually be a very serious incident.
    You really blaming the players here? They’re human beings too. So it’s okay for the opposition fans to abuse them in any way but the moment a player gives it back it’s wrong because the fans are paying? That’s mental.

    Football fans have become worse recently and it’s become increasingly obvious up and down the country. For once, I would hope that as we should be moving forward in society for the better, football fans can begin to take some responsibility without putting the blame on someone or something else. Or in this case, because a player celebrated in front of me after I called him all the names under the sun.

    If we start pointing the blame at footballers, we are totally missing the point and the issue at hand. 
    I’m with Jimmy Melrose on this one. Footballers need to act responsibly, and goading fans in a tinderbox situation is not acting responsibly. Yes, they get a bit of abuse, but that’s been the case for decades, whereas deliberately goading fans to wind the opposition fans up as a tactic (as admitted by Pell after the game where he scored against us I think) is out and out provocation, and should result in a booking and/or a fine for the club. After all, they get booked for taking their shirts off when celebrating a goal, which is much less serious. Pretty sure if it continues there’ll be a rule change, in the context of increased disorder at matches this season. 
  • HandG
    HandG
    edited February 2022
    bolloxbolder said:
    cafctom said:
    Our fanbase is a little younger than it has been in previous decades (just based on observation), and I wonder if that makes a difference.

    You see a lot more people aged 16-25 following the club now than before, and often in groups. 

    Not saying all young people are troublemakers, but there is definitely much more of an edge (and with that more immaturity at times) to our support now than there was in the Premier League days. 
    Yeah I get the train now as parking is so bad. Groups of 10 mask less youths swigging out of cans getting on at Belvedere, Abbey Wood. Old gits from the Radical at Plumstead too. 
    Not sure that going maskless and having a pregame can or two is that much of a crime? 
  • shirty5
    shirty5
    edited February 2022
    HandG said:
    bolloxbolder said:
    cafctom said:
    Our fanbase is a little younger than it has been in previous decades (just based on observation), and I wonder if that makes a difference.

    You see a lot more people aged 16-25 following the club now than before, and often in groups. 

    Not saying all young people are troublemakers, but there is definitely much more of an edge (and with that more immaturity at times) to our support now than there was in the Premier League days. 
    Yeah I get the train now as parking is so bad. Groups of 10 mask less youths swigging out of cans getting on at Belvedere, Abbey Wood. Old gits from the Radical at Plumstead too. 
    Not sure that going maskless and having a pregame can or two is that much of a crime? 
    It is if they don’t finish the content of their can before  arriving at their destination 
  • cafctom
    cafctom
    Garrymanilow said:
    I used to think that players had a responsibility to not rise to the abuse they get from fans but I've changed my mind in recent years. Football fans have got much, much worse. It used to be that you'd boo a player who left under bad circumstances; we'd boo Scott Parker or Jermain Defoe, we wouldn't bother booing Luke Young or Jerome Thomas if we saw them again. Now though, any player leaves, whether it's because they wanted the move or we released them, they'll get booed every time they get the ball, just for the crime of once playing for a club. Then after the game players go home and come back to abuse on Twitter or elsewhere if they've scored or won a tackle the opposition didn't like or got injured and stayed down too long. There's not really a good place to escape abuse for players now other than switching off from the world completely, and innocuous players get far more grief from fans than they desrve. Lucas Digne got booed on his return to Everton, a club he loved, because he left after being forced out by a manager that the fans also hated. Booed nonetheless, then had a bottle thrown at him for the crime of being happy about a goal. As far as I'm concerned, players can give it back to the fans as much as they want given the level of toxicity those fans are giving out. If fans don't want players to bite back then they'll need to stop goading them in every second of every day. Call it a compromise.
    Agree with every word.

    I recall that Scott Wagstaff got booed when he came back to The Valley with AFC Wimbledon a couple of years ago.

    If you’d have asked the numbskulls why exactly he was being booed then they’d have struggled to come up with a logical answer.
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  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri
    At least 3 coppers to everyone of them. I have even more respect to the teacher profession, there's probably only 1 of them to handle all 30 of these lunatics at their school.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri
    That kind of showing by the gavvers makes me think they might of actually called the police in advanced  for the escort? 
  • KBslittlesis
    KBslittlesis
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    That kind of showing by the gavvers makes me think they might of actually called the police in advanced  for the escort? 
    It happens every week up & down the country.
    So they can say, ‘we turned up mob handed but the fuzz found us’ 🙄
  • WSS
    WSS
    edited January 2022
    Sunday League player and Charlton fan threatened to knock referee out and said 'I hope I see you at Crystal Palace'

    https://www.kentonline.co.uk/bexley-and-bromley/sport/im-going-to-knock-you-out-footballer-banned-after-refere-261272/
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus
    CPFC on his knuckles? They had the wrong man in the dock.
  • clive
    clive

    The UK's head of football policing has asked the sport's English authorities "for an urgent meeting" to discuss disorder at matches.

    Chief constable Mark Roberts has written to the Football Association, Premier League and English Football League to request talks on the issue.

    "When we receive all their responses a meeting date will be set," he said.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60127492

  • ROTW
    ROTW
    edited January 2022
    KBslittlesis said:
    Karim_myBagheri said:
    That kind of showing by the gavvers makes me think they might of actually called the police in advanced  for the escort? 
    It happens every week up & down the country.
    So they can say, ‘we turned up mob handed but the fuzz found us’ 🙄
    Who found them? Starsky & Hutch?

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