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Post-match thread: Milton Keynes v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 17th August, 2021

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  • Watching on the stream a good turn out of our fans did their best.
  • Last season we probably would have got at least a draw from this game, simply due to:

    Shinnie in the Morgan role or coming on as a sub.

    Aneke on as a sub at half time or the second half.  
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  • A stock response from players joining our club is " it has taken a while to happen, but now I am here I cannot wait to get started", Well, I wish they would bloody hurry up, because I cannot wait to see them getting started either.
  • I’m extremely grateful to TS for saving us in the way that he did but, as a successful business man, he inevitably carries an air of arrogance that most do who have achieved what he has.

    I wonder if this arrogance is spilling out on his CAFC decision making. Maybe he thinks, a bit like RD did, that he can achieve football success by being smarter in the transfer market than his competitors, not paying silly fees/wages, playing it long, get the right characters in, mould them into a team blah blah blah.

    Problem is, for most, football is a short term, loss making venture - nothing more sophisticated than a gamble. Some win, a lot don’t but generally, if you want success, you have to be prepared to spunk the bigger bucks. 

    Hopefully, come Sept 1st these fears will be proved wrong and we’ll see the 4-6 players we need to make a difference and TS can hail his strategy a success. If this doesn’t happen though, disillusionment will not just be confined to the fans then a rot will really set in.
    I suspect there is an element of that. Of course things can change like Burnley selling Pope. Football can make a lot of money as well as lose it. I still believe that something must have happened to change the plan.
  • Chunes said:
    Not taking away anything from the dreadfulness of our performances so far but those three will be aiming for top 6 this season. I don't think there is "a lot worse" to come. 
    I hope you're right Chunes, maybe 'a lot' was an exaggeration but, unless the cavalry arrives in the next couple of weeks, we're going to be regularly picked apart like a dodgy nan-knitted scarf.
  • This could be a historic season. Our worst ever season in the League was 1925/6 when we finished 21st in the old Division 3 South. Could we be set to break that long standing record?
  • Sorry to say we are in for a long hard season. Even the defence don't seem as good as last season and they have not changed much in personel apart from the left back issue - rather play Gunter right back and Roddy left back - as Matthews is good going forward but cant defend and never seems to be bothered when he loses a ball. The new kid Elerewe looks OK but in 2 games this season I have still not seen him win a header - which is a must for a centre half. I had high hopes for the 2 new midfield players - like most of us, but they are presently coming up short. Stockley is playing well but I think he would be much better with someone playing  alongside him and therefore we should try 4-4-2 - keep 2 wingers in the 4 in midfield formation especially as our fullbacks are not getting forward. I think we desperately need a goalscorer alongside Stockley - which I think would really transform the team - but it will need money.  Although I doubt this will happen, especially when I read in the press that Charlton are ready to 'swoop' for a player that has just been released from a league 2 side! - That seems to be the strength of our finances.
  • 4-3-3 with this midfield isn't working.  We could play 4-4-3 and it probably wouldn't help much.  Apart from the assist for our goal and the assist for their second, the middle three did pretty much nothing.
  • Sorry to say we are in for a long hard season. Even the defence don't seem as good as last season and they have not changed much in personel apart from the left back issue - rather play Gunter right back and Roddy left back - as Matthews is good going forward but cant defend and never seems to be bothered when he loses a ball. The new kid Elerewe looks OK but in 2 games this season I have still not seen him win a header - which is a must for a centre half. I had high hopes for the 2 new midfield players - like most of us, but they are presently coming up short. Stockley is playing well but I think he would be much better with someone playing  alongside him and therefore we should try 4-4-2 - keep 2 wingers in the 4 in midfield formation especially as our fullbacks are not getting forward. I think we desperately need a goalscorer alongside Stockley - which I think would really transform the team - but it will need money.  Although I doubt this will happen, especially when I read in the press that Charlton are ready to 'swoop' for a player that has just been released from a league 2 side! - That seems to be the strength of our finances.
    Sadly, we've seen nothing from MacGillivray so far that convinces me he is a decent replacement for Amos.

    He's cost us a goal in the last 2 games and if Bannon's shot had gone in the Wednesday game it would have been a goal in each game.

    More worrying for me is his complete reluctance to come from crosses. He was absolutely rooted to his line last night. Amos may have let a couple of long shots in last year he should have saved but his catching was absolutely first class but this guy just doesn't seem to measure up in this department.

    Early days yet but he needs to improve fast.
  • Chunes said:
    The more I think about this, the stranger it gets.

    In his post-match comments last season, Adkins was always talking about keeping the ball on the floor. I remember our last game, against Peterborough, we kept possession really well and it felt like Nigel's blueprint was finally being acted on.

    Now he is not mentioning it all... And we are lumping long ball after long ball. 

    This must surely mean he knows he doesn't have the players to pass it. And if he doesn't, why not? Dobson was obviously bought to play, Watson is the only backup. He gave Morgan the no. 10 shirt. That leaves only Clare, who may or may not be a squad player. 

    I don't believe he has decided to build a long ball team over the Summer.
    To be fair we kept the ball on the deck really well for the opening 20mins last night... Unfortunately with this group, the moment there is a setback the majority seem to think the ball is some kind of bomb and get it away from them as quickly as they possibly can
  • wmcf123 said:
    Let’s blame all of our shortcomings on a kid .. 
    That isn't what (s)he said.  He's out of his depth at the moment and it's fair on neither him nor us.
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  • This could be a historic season. Our worst ever season in the League was 1925/6 when we finished 21st in the old Division 3 South. Could we be set to break that long standing record?
    We finished 13th in the 2010/11 season with a pretty poor squad - I'd hope we have enough to match that. 
  • Awful performance yet again . We started so well as we did at Oxford  , but it disintegrated fast as soon as they equalised . The only highlight on a miserable night was the great support  .
  • I agree with you that the anger directed at TS is unreasonable, although as fans we really need to stop believing what owners say just because we want it to be true. I think in TS’s case he has bitten off more than he can chew, which if true is a forgivable mistake. 

    In reality there WAS a queue of people interested in buying the club from 2015 onwards. Some may have been desirable, others not so much. It is Roland who determined that none of them got over the line because of his chronic over-valuation of the ground.

    As ESI showed, it was easy to buy the club (losses). What TS did and deserves our respect and appreciation for is seeing off the chancers. We had no business expecting anyone from outside to do that.

    He will want to succeed at running the club and we all want him to do so, but it’s not (just) about being cleverer than what went before. It will cost more than he ever imagined and you can’t just wish that away.


    This is the bit that scares me the most, you not the first person to say it and I think we have all thought it.  How the hell do you go through all the shit he did, not to mention the costs, to not know how much its going to cost?

    If he looked at it and said "I'll just do it better" and we will spend less and earn more over night.  He is quite frankly an idiot.

    He quite obviously isn't an idiot, neither are Manford and Adkins   they have both been around long enough to know what's what.  Either Thomas has had some shocking advice or he has ignored the advice he was given. 
  • I've got a day of back to back meetings, but I refer you to what @Redhenry said, and there is a long long way to go in this season
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    To be fair we kept the ball on the deck really well for the opening 20mins last night... Unfortunately with this group, the moment there is a setback the majority seem to think the ball is some kind of bomb and get it away from them as quickly as they possibly can
    Seems to me that it’s a confidence issue and a calming influence needed amongst the younger players. There was enough experience in Gunter, Matthews and Stockley in the starting 11 last night but the togetherness doesn’t look there at the moment and when that’s missing it becomes every man for himself. 

    It might explain why Watson is being introduced on the hour however he’s not the answer and it needs addressing pdq with more than just young prem loans. 
  • I've no idea why you wouldn't bring on Davison and go 442.

    Unless Dobson had a knock, then it's just mind boggling you'd make a like for like defensive midfield sub when chasing a game.

    Liam Manning was an academy coach at West Ham before proving you can manager in Belgium and be decent ! so once they got the upper hand in Midfield ( same as they did at the valley last season) they passed around Charlton and we were so bereft, that after Kirk for Washington, the only change we made was Watson for Dobson ! 

    The first 20 minutes was positive and the last 10 of first half, but the rest was sud standard and it was a stroll in the park for MK Dons.

    Before the Sheff Wed match, I said we have no goals in this team without Aneke, and the way Nigel would set us up we would rely on set pieces with headed goals by Stockley or Inniss. Problem is Inniss just looks like a player who isn't fit so once you block him at Corners and expose him in transition he will revert to fouls. 

    The isolation of Stockley needs to be addressed and changed because he isn't a lone striker. Jayden is a Central Striker who needs a forward playing near by. Not so far away that on Charlton TV, he looked like Robinson Crusoe without a man Friday in sight.

    I thought we would draw matches 0-0 or even 1-1 during August but I was too optimistic.
  • One thing that did surprise me from Minto last night.

    Last season we lost four away games all season

    This year we've already lost two

    Perhaps fans being back will be reason for that and we'll have a strong home record ourselves

    We'll bloody need to if we cant win on the road thats for sure
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