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Wayne Rooney's Derby County - not any more (p41)

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Serious point of order.

    If the majority of the 72 have taken these monitored loans/grants can't they vote to waiver embargos? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Not excusing the disgraceful way Derby have fiddled the system, but to be fair this is the problem caused by specific EFL rule restricting the squad number BUT including players who shouldn't actually be included by any "realistic" criteria.

    We were similarly stuffed a year ago when our allowed squad size was restricted and the 23 included academy players over 18 who had played in makeshift EFL Cup and FA Cup sides, and further meant that if we gave a 19 year old a game, he'd be part of the 23 but someone younger like Charlie Barker wouldn't be

    Derby shouldn't be allowed to get away with it, because we weren't, but I don't think the rules as it stands is entirely right.


  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Not excusing the disgraceful way Derby have fiddled the system, but to be fair this is the problem caused by specific EFL rule restricting the squad number BUT including players who shouldn't actually be included by any "realistic" criteria.

    We were similarly stuffed a year ago when our allowed squad size was restricted and the 23 included academy players over 18 who had played in makeshift EFL Cup and FA Cup sides, and further meant that if we gave a 19 year old a game, he'd be part of the 23 but someone younger like Charlie Barker wouldn't be

    Derby shouldn't be allowed to get away with it, because we weren't, but I don't think the rules as it stands is entirely right.


    Remember when Derby played Chorley in the FA Cup and there whole squad and u23s had to isolate?

    Well all those under 18s now count as "players" due having played in that game.  If they didn't have them they would be able to sign a few free agents now. 

    I wonder what a club will do in that situation next time? 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    I wonder what the EFL would judge as a fair wage for a Championship club  ?

    Also - only a years contract. I wonder how many players will go for that. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Not excusing the disgraceful way Derby have fiddled the system, but to be fair this is the problem caused by specific EFL rule restricting the squad number BUT including players who shouldn't actually be included by any "realistic" criteria.

    We were similarly stuffed a year ago when our allowed squad size was restricted and the 23 included academy players over 18 who had played in makeshift EFL Cup and FA Cup sides, and further meant that if we gave a 19 year old a game, he'd be part of the 23 but someone younger like Charlie Barker wouldn't be

    Derby shouldn't be allowed to get away with it, because we weren't, but I don't think the rules as it stands is entirely right.


    Remember when Derby played Chorley in the FA Cup and there whole squad and u23s had to isolate?

    Well all those under 18s now count as "players" due having played in that game.  If they didn't have them they would be able to sign a few free agents now. 

    I wonder what a club will do in that situation next time? 
    So the cheats have been bitten in the arse by a loop hole…..good
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,961
    No they havent. Read the BBC article, and surprise, the EFL have given them an exception
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    If it wasn't Derby I would think it was a good decision. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,437
    IdleHans said:
    No they havent. Read the BBC article, and surprise, the EFL have given them an exception
    I wonder what other clubs subject to the embargo think
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    IdleHans said:
    No they havent. Read the BBC article, and surprise, the EFL have given them an exception
    In this case i think its good the efl have done that, with the provisions in place, the wage restrictions and 1 years contracts.

    The squad limit was harsh on Derby, at least they played their FA Cup game, there was another game i remember were a team was hit with covid and pulled out, Derby could have done the same wouldnt have played the under 18 team and wouldnt have been in this position.

    But because they actually played the game it put them in this position, so as i say think efl have shown a bit of common sense with this one actually.
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  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    IdleHans said:
    No they havent. Read the BBC article, and surprise, the EFL have given them an exception
    I wonder what other clubs subject to the embargo think
    if anyone has had to include u18s previously they will surely be furious? 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,961
    edited July 2021
    Blasphemy! Havent you got stuff to do, Paulie?
    (actually I am inclined to agree with you, but such a shame it's Derby)
    Hope its all going well for you today
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    IdleHans said:
    Blasphemy! Havent you got stuff to do, Paulie?
    (actually I am inclined to agree with you, but such a shame it's Derby)
    Hope its all going well for you today
    Still got an hour to i get the keys lol, sat here trying to pass the time 🤣🤣
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    IdleHans said:
    No they havent. Read the BBC article, and surprise, the EFL have given them an exception
    Cafc43v3r said:
    If it wasn't Derby I would think it was a good decision. 
    Just a shame that was a reason we werent allowed to add to our squad this time last year.

    I cant remember how many first team players we had, but presume it was more than nine, hence the difference in decision?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    edited July 2021
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    That's exactly why you would sign Ravel, it will be a bloody good few hours. 
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,219
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    I doubt he comes cheap, so presume the limit on spending is actually quite high. 
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Or Rooney is giving him free access to his 'stash'.
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Addickted said:
    Or Rooney is giving him free access to his 'stash'.
    Morrison's into granny porn?
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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,881
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    I don’t get your point here. Surely the example given is a no brainier 😂
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    edited July 2021
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    The problem would be explaining to the wife why theres not a lot of shopping
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    Interesting that the other 2 are out of contract players who were there last season
  • Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    Managers will always want to take the gamble, especially in Derby's position when they are skint.

    If he gets his head down and plays to his ability, then he'll be one of the best players in the division. Obviously that's a very big 'if' though.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    Honestly, why would you sign Ravel Morrison if you're limited as to who you can buy?

    Its like being told you have £1,000 left to spend on food for a year but you spend £900 on a hooker for a few hours!!
    Managers will always want to take the gamble, especially in Derby's position when they are skint.

    If he gets his head down and plays to his ability, then he'll be one of the best players in the division. Obviously that's a very big 'if' though.
    Yeah I think its too big an "if" now sadly... But we've all made mistakes in our lives that we all probably look back on and regret

    Just hope that Rooney (someone he'd have been with @ Man Utd) can be the help that he needs.

    He'd have scared the Italians shitless had he reached his potential - Will never forget that West Ham goal @ Spurs
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,906
    Oh dear. What a shame
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    I thinks the least of his problems when he gets home tonight 👀👀
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I thinks the least of his problems when he gets home tonight 👀👀
    You got those WhatsApp messages too. Poor sleepy lad.

    😂
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,651
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I thinks the least of his problems when he gets home tonight 👀👀
    What's he done now?