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I bet Sandgaard is well chuffed....
AFKABartram
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He forked out for that extra overnight stay after Plymouth. Ipswich, Crewe and Accrington has been proper tits up since.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.
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We've bottled it, just like last season. Nothing to do with hotel stays 😅3
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Ipswich?AFKABartram said:He forked out for that extra overnight stay after Plymouth. Ipswich, Crewe and Accrington has been proper tits up since.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.
It's only an hour up the A120 -
Interesting topic to start a new thread on
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Ipswich was the home game after.carly burn said:
Ipswich?AFKABartram said:He forked out for that extra overnight stay after Plymouth. Ipswich, Crewe and Accrington has been proper tits up since.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.
It's only an hour up the A12
Full stop after Plymouth.1 -
I really hope Sandgaard isn't starting to feel disenchanted as an owner. He's been like a breath of fresh air since he came in, but it seems like nothing has gone to plan like he might have hoped. I hope we can rebuild this squad in the summer into something that can give us all some pride and give Thomas a feeling that he's bought into something worthwhile. For what it's worth, I don't believe that whatever's got wrong was an overnight stay in Plymouth. That was absolutely the right decision at the time.9
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Did Sandgaard actually pay for the overnight stay out of his own pocket? Assumed it would have been a club expense dealt with by the folks he’s appointed to run the club.0
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what an inane post!AFKABartram said:He forked out for that extra overnight stay after Plymouth. Ipswich, Crewe and Accrington has been proper tits up since.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.4 -
No its goal Karma of which I am a big believer. You can't just smash 6 goals past someone away from home and expect to score much for the next 6 games. The football gods must be paid like when we got a 94th minute winner at Wembley we must take a relegation the following season.
If we had scraped past Plymouth 1 nil and spread those goals around the other games we would have been confirmed play offs by now6 -
Comes down to the same thing in the end.se9addick said:Did Sandgaard actually pay for the overnight stay out of his own pocket? Assumed it would have been a club expense dealt with by the folks he’s appointed to run the club.6 -
What happens next will define Sandgaard’s ownership. As Airman posted on the other thread, Division One is a disaster for Charlton. Thomas has ambitions and while he might not have necessarily expected promotion this season he undoubtedly will next. Not as easy as it seems. Next season will be a stronger league I think and for Charlton it’s without doubt yet another massive summer squad rebuild. There isn’t too much in the way of foundations to build on player wise so not only do we need to change pretty much the whole playing squad, we need to get the recruitment spot on. I think Thomas will throw a bit of cash at it because not doing so will mean another very hard slog. It will be exciting watching the squad build and I’m hoping we can get the bulk of our business done very early. Now the club has stability for the first time in years we can look for and expect playing progression. Failure next season really isn’t an option.24
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Don’t buy into the doomsday narrative if we’re still playing third tier football in 22/23. Do any of us want that? Obviously not. Is Thomas going to throw his toys out of the pram if it happens? I honestly thought he was a better owner than that.6
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You've misspelled 'Peterborough'.Charltonparklane said:
Ipswich was the home game after.carly burn said:
Ipswich?AFKABartram said:He forked out for that extra overnight stay after Plymouth. Ipswich, Crewe and Accrington has been proper tits up since.
I know where I’d tell the manager to stick it the next time he comes with a request like that.
Its been such a disaster since that fateful night, if it wasn’t for the location I’d have swore they stayed at Pontins Camber Sands.
It's only an hour up the A12
Full stop after Plymouth.5 -
Who is saying it’s a doomsday scenario ? It’s financially a disaster and for an owner who has gone on record as wanting top half PL football it’s a disaster too. Getting out of league one is tough so it’s very possible. Equally it’s very bad news.Callumcafc said:Don’t buy into the doomsday narrative if we’re still playing third tier football in 22/23. Do any of us want that? Obviously not. Is Thomas going to throw his toys out of the pram if it happens? I honestly thought he was a better owner than that.3 -
Apparently they've been staying in Travel Lodges but Sandgaard has a plan to get us back to the Premier Inns in the next 5 years.
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don't think it has made any difference - players have put the effort in, just not good enough - don't think we have a single player left that anybody else would pay money for - rebuild needed.3
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It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.0 -
What about him buying The Valley and The training ground? Less likely all the time we’re in this division.Dave2l said:It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.7 -
guinnessaddick said:
What about him buying The Valley and The training ground? Less likely all the time we’re in this division.Dave2l said:It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.
I believe in Charlton. The owner believes in Charlton.
A lot of others connected to the club believe in Charlton.
Actions speak louder then words, yes, but worrying about any of this will not benefit anyone. It will not get us anywhere.
Roland wasn't ambitious at all. He is and was dreadful, but with him as our owner, we still finished 3rd in 2019 and we won the playoffs.
Things haven't gone well this season, we are very likely to be staying put for another year but we definitely won't be staying here for too long.
Wait for the summer signings and for pre season!3 -
Thomas isn't the sort of guy to cut and run after a couple of below par performances, he has stated on several times that playoffs was a goal, but not the be all, now should the same occur next year, after an input of cash and player changes, well that could be different, but then it would be Nige not Thomas i am afraid who would have to look hard at his own performance.
So, the 5 year plan has run for a few months now that is all, so next season will be defining in a lot of ways, but we will have to rebuild hugely and Thomas is the guy to do that, he has invested too much time, money and effort so far to just call it a day.2 -
Adkins has to do a Powell now. We will know soon enough, Powell started getting the business done early. He was backed but didn't spend shedloads. Might have been better bringing Powell back but Adkins has done the business with Southampton. We shall see.0
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Easy to say when it's not your money isn't itDave2l said:It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.2 -
Fortunately Thomas is a football fan and understands that it’s never easy getting a promotion. He needs at least two to satisfy his ambitions. He’s started in the right way by getting the building blocks behind the scenes put in place. Putting the guts back into the club if you like. That’s one thing. Getting front of house successfully firing is another. It needs planning, money and no small amount of luck. He’s started by doing the right things and as long as that continues I have no doubt that promotion is only a matter of time. Whether that’s next season is another thing altogether.2
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I think the delay with Bowyer showed that he wasn't desperate for promotion this season. Next season will be a different matter I assume.2
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The work to get a team/squad good enough is probably underway already, so have to see where we are at the end of July.
just to say, I’m not happy we’re still in League 1, but the context we are isn’t a surprise
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And that is the difference.Rothko said:The work to get a team/squad good enough is probably underway already, so have to see where we are at the end of July.
just to say, I’m not happy we’re still in League 1, but the context we are isn’t a surprise
Accepting that another season at this level is the reality and was always likely is nowhere near "not being bothered"
TS has already said they have there lists of potential players for either scenario.
But I do think there are some knee jerk reactions to the disappointment of now, almost certainly, missing out.
Gallen is not the problem, he didn't build the squad alone or in anything like an ideal situation.
I don't think Adkins is either. This is not his squad.
I don't think all the players are bad either.
There are good players in this squad.
Yes, there are.good league one players.
Too many haven't stayed fit and that is an issue that might be resolved.
All work hard and all can, on their day, play well.
We didn't win at Sunderland because we have lazy or poor players.
We went on a ten game unbeaten run because there is some character and fight in the team.
Is that enough? Clearly not.
Do we need another 10 or 12 players better, fitter, more suitable for how NA wants to play? Absolutely14 -
I think we have some decent players but clearly something is missing. Whether that is leadership or motivation I don't know. One thing I would say is that if you have a midfielder who doesn't score goals, he has to be a bloody good midfielder. JFC and Gilbey both can score goals so maybe the missing piece is the player to play with them.
I think we need to be looking at wing backs and play two up front. Personally, I think we can do better than Famewo. We probably need a couple of new centre halves and to give Pearce a coaching role where he can be used in an emergency given Inniss' fitness questions. So two wing backs, two centre halves, a couple of midfielders and a couple of strikers.
I was thinking we need a new keeper, but not so sure now.
Players I would prioritise keeping:
Amos
Inniss
Gilbey
JFC
Aneke (if we can expect him to play more)
There are players still under contract, and players like Purrington is probably as good a back up left back as you will get in League One.
Of the loan players, I'd consider Stockley and Millar.1 -
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Easy to say when it's not your money isn't itDave2l said:It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.
Yes. It's not our problem. We don't own the club. We didn't negotiate for the purchase of the club.
Our sympathy towards him is fair but no one has actually caused him this problem. It's because we were just so used to Roland's continuous dog barking of everything is everyone else's fault.
He owns the football club. He's an experienced businessman. He's not going to start sobbing.
We only want what is best for TS but he's owned us for 8-9months.
It's early days and plenty of potential!2 -
What a blessing Bowyer resigning was. Gave Thomas the chance to bring in an experienced manager with a good CV, while retaining the likes of Jackson and Euell, but most importantly it has given Adkins enough weeks in training and match days to work out who has something about them for his style of play and who doesn’t? This head start should enable very quick decisions on release/no discussion on contract renewal and new signings.
That is the bit of luck, alongside Thomas acquiring us we appear to have had this season. The rest will be easily forgotten.9 -
Our owner losing money because of the club is our problem.Dave2l said:Croydon said:
Easy to say when it's not your money isn't itDave2l said:It's not a disaster for TS.
He is not poor. He will still be living and breathing and he obviously likes a challenge. He's absolutely loaded.
I have no idea how much money he's lost as a result of our likely failure to get out of this league, but stop worrying about it. It's not our problem.
Yes. It's not our problem. We don't own the club. We didn't negotiate for the purchase of the club.
Our sympathy towards him is fair but no one has actually caused him this problem. It's because we were just so used to Roland's continuous dog barking of everything is everyone else's fault.
He owns the football club. He's an experienced businessman. He's not going to start sobbing.
We only want what is best for TS but he's owned us for 8-9months.
It's early days and plenty of potential!2 -
Good point on Bowyer and on Adkins having had time to see what he's got.Pavoren007 said:What a blessing Bowyer resigning was. Gave Thomas the chance to bring in an experienced manager with a good CV, while retaining the likes of Jackson and Euell, but most importantly it has given Adkins enough weeks in training and match days to work out who has something about them for his style of play and who doesn’t? This head start should enable very quick decisions on release/no discussion on contract renewal and new signings.
That is the bit of luck, alongside Thomas acquiring us we appear to have had this season. The rest will be easily forgotten.
While I don't think he suddenly became a bad manager, and his success at Brum, as much as some have tried to down play it proves he's not, he has to take SOME of the blame.
ESI, Duchatelet and the salary cap are the big villains but LB pushed the team too hard, expected too much in terms of running and fitness and wasn't flexible enough, perhaps due to inexperience, perhaps stubbornness, to vary his style and methods so as to get the best out of players who aren't all like Lee Bowyer.
Too many players who are good in parts but not good enough all round (Gilbey is a good example) and those not physically fit enough (eg Chuks, one of our best players more than good enough for league one).
Is that all Bowyer or Gallens fault? No, the budget and timeframe was limited and the salary cap made it almost impossible to do more but Bowyer should have taken that more into consideration when picking and then critising players.
Some of his high risk signings like Maddison and Bogle looked like desperation. Probably because they were. But we couldn't make many "sensible" signings due to the salary cap.
Washington, Inniss, Famewo (mostly), Stockley all did well enough.
Glibey, Maatsen, Millar and Shinnie blew hot and cold.
DJ looks a good signing, Schwartz doesn't.
Smith was strange as was not playing Morgan and letting Lapslie go early.11
