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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,770
    charlton_hero said:

    The real shame about this - and Corden acknowledges it - is that his American audience just don’t care. When Corden makes a serious statement in his show, his audience is usually pretty sycophantic and will whoop and cheer support. They hardly reacted to this at all.
    American ‘football fans’ are generally only interested in these ‘big 12’ teams. They don’t see an issue with franchising or with there being no relegation or promotion.

    I say this with no disrespect to my American friends. It’s simply that we look on sports leagues in a different way. But it’ll be an uphill battle trying to get some resistance from the American public - because they won’t see it as an issue.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited April 2021

  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    edited April 2021
    Scoham said:
    Not directly ESL related but shows how people at those 12 clubs think. All about money and power.

    Sports like American Football ( average game time 3hrs 12 mins) and Baseball (average last year 3 hrs 6 mins) do alright....Football is too short for me although watching Charlton seems like an eternity at times
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    lordromford said:
    charlton_hero said:

    The real shame about this - and Corden acknowledges it - is that his American audience just don’t care. When Corden makes a serious statement in his show, his audience is usually pretty sycophantic and will whoop and cheer support. They hardly reacted to this at all.
    American ‘football fans’ are generally only interested in these ‘big 12’ teams. They don’t see an issue with franchising or with there being no relegation or promotion.

    I say this with no disrespect to my American friends. It’s simply that we look on sports leagues in a different way. But it’ll be an uphill battle trying to get some resistance from the American public - because they won’t see it as an issue.
    Why should they care though? No one in Europe cares that they bring their sports to play over here, in fact many people (including myself) love to go and attend them, but those games are taken away from the fans over there. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    https://www.premierleague.com/news/2112093

    The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal.

    The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition.

    The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those Shareholders involved to account under its rules. 

    The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, Government, UEFA, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately.  

    The Premier League would like to thank fans and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue.

    The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people.

  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    EPL and FA need to come out now and say that the 6 will be expelled from the English game on Friday, any who change their mind before Friday can stay on current terms, there will be no re-negotiations of share of income or voting power. Take it or leave it.

    What would really put the cat amongst the pigeons is if the EPL said they've got Celtic and Rangers coming in, so the first 4 to bail on the super league get their places back, the other 2 are out of luck.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600

    BREAKING: PREMIER LEAGUE STATEMENT

    "The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal.

    "The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition. The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those Shareholders involved to account under its rules. 

    "The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, Government, UEFA, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately.

    "The Premier League would like to thank supporters and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue. The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people."

  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,973
    Jordan Henderson gets it.
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  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    I'm not seriously suggesting it, but it would be amusing if the 6, having declared themselves too good and too important to be contained by our leagues were told no, there are plenty of other big clubs who would gladly take your place.

    Plus, is it cooked up that much? The English leagues have long had Welsh teams playing, and the Scottish leagues have at least one English team (Berwick). It's only cooked up in the sense that it would be happening now rather than 100 years ago, other than that there is very little difference.
  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,955
    Leeds_Addick said:
    randy andy said:
    EPL and FA need to come out now and say that the 6 will be expelled from the English game on Friday, any who change their mind before Friday can stay on current terms, there will be no re-negotiations of share of income or voting power. Take it or leave it.

    What would really put the cat amongst the pigeons is if the EPL said they've got Celtic and Rangers coming in, so the first 4 to bail on the super league get their places back, the other 2 are out of luck.
    We could also bring in Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, Inter Milan and AC Milan whilst we're at it 
    Total agree EPL stands for the English Premier League, why even suggest wrecking another country’s football competition, in my opinion that’s totally immoral the same as the the proposed super duper league is immoral.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,770
    colthe3rd said:
    lordromford said:
    charlton_hero said:

    The real shame about this - and Corden acknowledges it - is that his American audience just don’t care. When Corden makes a serious statement in his show, his audience is usually pretty sycophantic and will whoop and cheer support. They hardly reacted to this at all.
    American ‘football fans’ are generally only interested in these ‘big 12’ teams. They don’t see an issue with franchising or with there being no relegation or promotion.

    I say this with no disrespect to my American friends. It’s simply that we look on sports leagues in a different way. But it’ll be an uphill battle trying to get some resistance from the American public - because they won’t see it as an issue.
    Why should they care though? No one in Europe cares that they bring their sports to play over here, in fact many people (including myself) love to go and attend them, but those games are taken away from the fans over there. 
    Well, exactly. Sport in America is structured similarly to the ESL proposal. They won’t see the problem.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    Rashford and Reece James come out with tweets against the ESL. 
  • alan dugdale
    alan dugdale Posts: 3,076
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    And with no thought or care about the other Scottish clubs.
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    One of the CEO of the 6 breakaway clubs called another chairman at the 14 others saying they don’t want to leave the PL but want to talk. 




  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    It would just be like having Swansea and Cardiff in the English leagues.............

    Cooking up leagues isn't the problem, all the previous leagues have been cooked up.  It's cooking it up then locking the door so no one else can get in. 
  • IdleHans
    IdleHans Posts: 10,957
    roseandcrown said:
    One of the CEO of the 6 breakaway clubs called another chairman at the 14 others saying they don’t want to leave the PL but want to talk. 





    ...about having an even bigger slice of the pie
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    randy andy said:
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    I'm not seriously suggesting it, but it would be amusing if the 6, having declared themselves too good and too important to be contained by our leagues were told no, there are plenty of other big clubs who would gladly take your place.

    Plus, is it cooked up that much? The English leagues have long had Welsh teams playing, and the Scottish leagues have at least one English team (Berwick). It's only cooked up in the sense that it would be happening now rather than 100 years ago, other than that there is very little difference.
    Scottish teams leapfrogging the entire pyramid in English football and being parachuted in to the Premier League isn't the answer to the ESL. 
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,374
    It’ll save football says Perez.

  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,725
    randy andy said:
    EPL and FA need to come out now and say that the 6 will be expelled from the English game on Friday, any who change their mind before Friday can stay on current terms, there will be no re-negotiations of share of income or voting power. Take it or leave it.

    What would really put the cat amongst the pigeons is if the EPL said they've got Celtic and Rangers coming in, so the first 4 to bail on the super league get their places back, the other 2 are out of luck.
    How fucking dare we do that to Scottish Football. What right have we got? That sort of arrogance about the EPL is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,698
    roseandcrown said:
    One of the CEO of the 6 breakaway clubs called another chairman at the 14 others saying they don’t want to leave the PL but want to talk. 




    "... so you know that project big picture we were on about..."

    Honestly I don't see that the big 6 have that much leverage, the consequences for them are worse than they are for the 14
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    IdleHans said:
    roseandcrown said:
    One of the CEO of the 6 breakaway clubs called another chairman at the 14 others saying they don’t want to leave the PL but want to talk. 





    ...about having an even bigger slice of the pie
    And this the cards that the six hold.  What do the other 14 do?   Accept a smaller slice of a very big pie or risk having a very small pie or even no pie at all. 
  • randy andy
    randy andy Posts: 5,454
    Chizz said:
    randy andy said:
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    I'm not seriously suggesting it, but it would be amusing if the 6, having declared themselves too good and too important to be contained by our leagues were told no, there are plenty of other big clubs who would gladly take your place.

    Plus, is it cooked up that much? The English leagues have long had Welsh teams playing, and the Scottish leagues have at least one English team (Berwick). It's only cooked up in the sense that it would be happening now rather than 100 years ago, other than that there is very little difference.
    Scottish teams leapfrogging the entire pyramid in English football and being parachuted in to the Premier League isn't the answer to the ESL. 
    I tend to agree, but the 14 EPL chairman may not. They may think that if they replace 2 of the departing teams with the Old Firm then everything can continue pretty much as it does now, and they wouldn't have to relegate anyone or prevent anyone getting promoted to achieve it. 
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    IdleHans said:
    roseandcrown said:
    One of the CEO of the 6 breakaway clubs called another chairman at the 14 others saying they don’t want to leave the PL but want to talk. 





    ...about having an even bigger slice of the pie
    Seems that way but apparently according to the reporter on sky a number of the 14 others are not interested in talking and a number have said they will never deal with some of the main players in this from the 6. 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,725
    Cannot believe some of the shite being posted. Good grief.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,725
    edited April 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Rothko said:
    The statement leaves the way for an explosion, so the shots have been fired. 

    as for bringing in Celtic and Rangers, the irony of people suggesting that, hey we're against a cooked up league, but we'll cook up the league and take teams from a different federation. 


    It would just be like having Swansea and Cardiff in the English leagues.............

    Cooking up leagues isn't the problem, all the previous leagues have been cooked up.  It's cooking it up then locking the door so no one else can get in. 
    Those Welsh teams have been in the English leagues since they were founded, it's not comparable.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,453
    edited April 2021
    Sorry for asking if already mentioned, but when this thread was first started back.in October it was mentioned that FIFA were backing the proposed European league.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12109174/european-premier-league-liverpool-and-manchester-united-in-talks-for-fifa-backed-tournament

    What happened to that? Or are FIFA in on it?
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    carly burn said:
    Sorry for asking if already mentioned, but when this thread was first started back.in October it was mentioned that FIFA were backing the proposed European league.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12109174/european-premier-league-liverpool-and-manchester-united-in-talks-for-fifa-backed-tournament

    What happened to that? Or are FIFA in on it?
    At that point FIFA were probably in for a cut of the wonga. Then the dirty dozen realised they could keep it all, so FIFA were fucked off out of it...  ;)  

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