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Has Bowyer lost it?
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and if u track back over years and years i think you'll find i have never made anything up and virtually everything i've posted on here has been proven to be correct, as this is3
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Apart from the fact you can make loan signings outside of the window. About an hour agoDOUCHER said:and if u track back over years and years i think you'll find i have never made anything up and virtually everything i've posted on here has been proven to be correct, as this is
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He actually earned us a point at fleetwood.Billericaydickie said:
I think that Amos has been shocking over the past few weeks.Chunes said:
He's had another concussion. Hasn't been on the bench for a while.Billericaydickie said:
AmosBigRedEvil said:Is there anyone Bowyer hasn't criticised this season?
The amount of goals that Amos has conceded over the past few games is staggering. He must be getting dizzy from bending down picking the ball out of the net 2 or 3 times every game.
Why hasn’t Bowyer given Amos a rest?
What does AMB have to do to get a game?
Perhaps Amos is another of Bowyers favorites.
I know our defence is non existent, but Amos has not exactly covered himself in glory.
His performance at Fleetwood last week was appalling.
When your goalkeeper is this suspect he doesn’t give the defenders a lot of confidence. He needs a rest to restore his confidence.4 -
Could it be chinese whispers going on though or a player with a grudge making stuff up so he gets the boot or is looked at badly
i just struggle believing this has happened and if it all was as bad and toxic surely bowyer wld have been gone long ago and people above wld have got wind of the dramas2 -
i assumed that, wasn't told itCafc43v3r said:
Apart from the fact you can make loan signings outside of the window. About an hour agoDOUCHER said:and if u track back over years and years i think you'll find i have never made anything up and virtually everything i've posted on here has been proven to be correct, as this is 2 -
If these posts on making Williams cry and all the players thinking and now telling fans bowyer is a bully and idiot, I’m struggling to place JJ in this. I’ve never met Bowyer, but I’ve met, spoken to, drank with JJ on occasions before, and truly is one of the nicest guys in football I’ve had the pleasure of chatting with, finding it hard to imagine him sitting in that dressing room, saying nothing and carrying on this whole season as if nothing is wrong.
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The thing is we read Bowyers post match comments and find them unbelievable. Can you imagine what the players think when they read/hear the same?!I can’t believe there are many, if any, players who are behind him.1
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I’ve worked out what the ‘IT’bowyer may have lost is............HIS CUSTARD!!!!!!!!, hence the tragic tactics and lineups/ post match comments. He doesn’t have anything to dip his cock in if we were to actually keep a clean sheet for one and god forbid win a game. How did it take 150 pages to work it out!!!🤣4
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Players may think, and to be clear that this is speculation rather than known fact, that if they are not going to be here next season they are best riding this out rather than sticking their heads above the parapet. Doesn't stop them being angry or venting their spleen in the moment or talking behind the manager's back.
I would be surprised if Sandgaard or Roddy has received an official complaint or are likely to receive one. Directly wronged players like Williams, Maddison and Bogle have moved on and no doubt others will follow.0 -
I heard that at a recent away game Bowyer sent a player to bed with no tea for absolutely NOTHING!14
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If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.1
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His kicking and ball distribution was appalling.ricky_otto said:
He actually earned us a point at fleetwood.Billericaydickie said:
I think that Amos has been shocking over the past few weeks.Chunes said:
He's had another concussion. Hasn't been on the bench for a while.Billericaydickie said:
AmosBigRedEvil said:Is there anyone Bowyer hasn't criticised this season?
The amount of goals that Amos has conceded over the past few games is staggering. He must be getting dizzy from bending down picking the ball out of the net 2 or 3 times every game.
Why hasn’t Bowyer given Amos a rest?
What does AMB have to do to get a game?
Perhaps Amos is another of Bowyers favorites.
I know our defence is non existent, but Amos has not exactly covered himself in glory.
His performance at Fleetwood last week was appalling.
When your goalkeeper is this suspect he doesn’t give the defenders a lot of confidence. He needs a rest to restore his confidence.
The Fleetwood keeper had no problems kicking or throwing the ball into the wind, but in contrast Amos could not distribute the ball into the wind.
As soon as he released the ball it came straight back at him.
All to often his distribution went to a Fleetwood player who then started another attack.0 -
I’m absolutely not having this as everyone was asking for 442 and nothing else. A diamond was the LAST formation people wanted.MuttleyCAFC said:
Good post. He possibly could give Millar a free role behind the front two of Aneke and Stockley at the Valley but effectively two in midfield is suicidal.Covered End said:A question to those that think Bowyer is CURRENTLY doing a good job as manager.
If you have lost your two centre halves through injury and are shipping goals as a result, what would be the sensible thing to do to try and prevent teams scoring ?
Bowyer tried Gunter and Pratley but did not protect them sufficiently and it failed.
Eventually Pearce and Oshilaja returned from injury and he obviously knew their deficiencies, but he didn't protect them sufficiently either.
Famewo (not totally fit) returns to play alongside Oshilaja and he still offers them little protection.
I won't go back to November, because there is little point, but what he has done in the last 2 games?
Against Burton he played (attacking) wing back AND wingers And he had Oshilaja over lapping down the left wing. Effectively playing 3 left wingers and 2 right wingers and no protection for the centre backs, even though Oshilaja is shooting off down the left wing as well.
Against Blackpool he still plays 2 wingers (if you're doing that they have got to win you the game or it's a bit like playing with 9 men.
But no he compounds the weakness of 2 v 4 in midfield by playing Shinnie and Pratley.
Shinnie can't tackle effectively and so Pratley is up to a point trying to stop 4 midfielders by himself.
Is it any wonder that Pratley was charging round the pitch like a lunatic desperately trying to stop Blackpool single handed and fouling all and sundry as a result?
Then when everyone could see Pratley was likely to get sent off, having had numerous warnings and a yellow card he didn't sub him.
I'll only touch on picking the wrong players and formation most games resulting in him making numerous substitutions EVERY game.
The Blackpool manager knew it, all the other managers knew it and even most of our fans can see it (not all).
The obvious answer is you make your team hard to beat you don't play wingers and wing backs and overlapping centre halves, you keep it tight, not wide open.
You play 3/4 in the middle and you defend from front to back with 2 banks of players in front of your defence, so that much of the time the opposition can't get at your weak defence.
It's so simple and yet 3 months later Bowyer continues to make matters worse each game.
Bowyer demonstrated he could manage good players when they were winning.
But he has failed miserably in showing the slightest understanding that he can set up a team to defend as a team and protect his defence and keeper from players being able to shoot unchallenged every single game.
Quite honestly it is staggering after 3 months.
Can we just stick to our word instead of changing after hindsight2 -
Agreed he didn’t handle the conditions as well as he could have. Personally I think Amos is the least of our worries at the moment. It’s the clowns in front of him that bother me.Billericaydickie said:
His kicking and ball distribution was appalling.ricky_otto said:
He actually earned us a point at fleetwood.Billericaydickie said:
I think that Amos has been shocking over the past few weeks.Chunes said:
He's had another concussion. Hasn't been on the bench for a while.Billericaydickie said:
AmosBigRedEvil said:Is there anyone Bowyer hasn't criticised this season?
The amount of goals that Amos has conceded over the past few games is staggering. He must be getting dizzy from bending down picking the ball out of the net 2 or 3 times every game.
Why hasn’t Bowyer given Amos a rest?
What does AMB have to do to get a game?
Perhaps Amos is another of Bowyers favorites.
I know our defence is non existent, but Amos has not exactly covered himself in glory.
His performance at Fleetwood last week was appalling.
When your goalkeeper is this suspect he doesn’t give the defenders a lot of confidence. He needs a rest to restore his confidence.
The Fleetwood keeper had no problems kicking or throwing the ball into the wind, but in contrast Amos could not distribute the ball into the wind.
As soon as he released the ball it came straight back at him.
All to often his distribution went to a Fleetwood player who then started another attack.2 -
I would agree with the first bit of that and despite the LOLs and disagreements, it is why I wouldn't want JJ turfed out because of Bowyer's actions and would like him as a caretaker.stoneroses19 said:If these posts on making Williams cry and all the players thinking and now telling fans bowyer is a bully and idiot, I’m struggling to place JJ in this. I’ve never met Bowyer, but I’ve met, spoken to, drank with JJ on occasions before, and truly is one of the nicest guys in football I’ve had the pleasure of chatting with, finding it hard to imagine him sitting in that dressing room, saying nothing and carrying on this whole season as if nothing is wrong.
I would imagine that JJ is supporting the players as best he can. But I am in a different place with JJ. For me he is a loyal Charlton hero and I haven't heard anything to doubt this. I have the rose tinted glasses when it comes to him that some still have with Bowyer.2 -
Watched it a long time ago, but he was in his apartment from vague memory.Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.0 -
Did people bump into them at Euston or go there specifically to ‘meet’ them?Bit strange if it’s the latter.0
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If bowyer has been bullying to the levels suggested by a few on here then I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t filed an official complaint to those above. I’d have thought at least one player or staff member would have thought enough is enough and bowyer needs to be stopped or have a warning set against him.MuttleyCAFC said:Players may think, and to be clear that this is speculation rather than known fact, that if they are not going to be here next season they are best riding this out rather than sticking their heads above the parapet. Doesn't stop them being angry or venting their spleen in the moment or talking behind the manager's back.
I would be surprised if Sandgaard or Roddy has received an official complaint or are likely to receive one. Directly wronged players like Williams, Maddison and Bogle have moved on and no doubt others will follow.0 -
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.5 -
JJ strikes me as a complete opposite character from Bowyer. Just like we gave Bowyer a chance after Robinson despite being assistant maybe JJ would be worth a takeover spell till the end of the season if Bowyer doesn't pick up any results in the next 2 games?1
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I agree with that but would caveat it with the fact I don't know. But as an assistant, what can he do? have a fight with the manager? Why should he resign?BigRedEvil said:JJ strikes me as a complete opposite character from Bowyer. Just like we gave Bowyer a chance after Robinson despite being assistant maybe JJ would be worth a takeover spell till the end of the season if Bowyer doesn't pick up any results in the next 2 games?0 -
i've no doubt that bullying goes on in all football dressing rooms from time to time but just reporting what i've been told and there's no doubt that the 'losing the dressing room' theory fits with all this and has turned a crap run into a disaster - the crap tactics and baffling selections have only been made worse i suspect due to grudges and the like - i mean really - who in their right mind would leave chucks on the bench and play washington?stoneroses19 said:
If bowyer has been bullying to the levels suggested by a few on here then I’d be surprised if someone hasn’t filed an official complaint to those above. I’d have thought at least one player or staff member would have thought enough is enough and bowyer needs to be stopped or have a warning set against him.MuttleyCAFC said:Players may think, and to be clear that this is speculation rather than known fact, that if they are not going to be here next season they are best riding this out rather than sticking their heads above the parapet. Doesn't stop them being angry or venting their spleen in the moment or talking behind the manager's back.
I would be surprised if Sandgaard or Roddy has received an official complaint or are likely to receive one. Directly wronged players like Williams, Maddison and Bogle have moved on and no doubt others will follow.1 -
And wasn't it JJ and JBG that went over Bob Peeters head when he was slagging off the players to his assistant in Flemish?stoneroses19 said:If these posts on making Williams cry and all the players thinking and now telling fans bowyer is a bully and idiot, I’m struggling to place JJ in this. I’ve never met Bowyer, but I’ve met, spoken to, drank with JJ on occasions before, and truly is one of the nicest guys in football I’ve had the pleasure of chatting with, finding it hard to imagine him sitting in that dressing room, saying nothing and carrying on this whole season as if nothing is wrong.
Jackie has scruples. I'm not doubting DOUCHER or digging him out, I just wonder if JJ has gone to Gallen or Roddy or Sandgaard.1 -
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?DOUCHER said:
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.6 -
There is a culture in football of not making complaints. Indeed, I can think of times in my working career where I considered moving on was better than making a fuss and being labelled a trouble maker. It doesn't always help your career.
I know it was totally different in many ways, but Curbs taking West Ham to a tribunal is an example. He was totally vindicated but didn't work as a manager again despite a fantastic record.0 -
coz my natural reaction would be to tell somebody who was digging me out to fuck off and if they carried on it would get physical - crying would be the last thing i would doCafc43v3r said:
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?DOUCHER said:
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.4 -
That doesn't make it strange though does it. Your natural reaction doesn't mean it should be everyone else's.DOUCHER said:
coz my natural reaction would be to tell somebody who was digging me out to fuck off and if they carried on it would get physical - crying would be the last thing i would doCafc43v3r said:
Why is it strange for a man, a young man, to cry in an emotional charged situation?DOUCHER said:
admitted its strange for a pro footballer to start crying but this is what i'm told and that was the tipping point - for me, he threw a lot of players under the bus and publicly dug players out last year and this before that but this was the final straw apparently - just his crap tactics have been enough for me.Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.20 -
One man's straight talking is another man's bullying. No idea what has gone on or what has been said to who, but we know Bowyer doesn't really sugar coat things, he speaks his mind, even in interviews, and he;s not really too bothered if it ruffles a few feathers. He's quite old school in that respect - entirely possible he's been giving what he probably feels are a few home s truths to players and some of them maybe don't appreciate the way the message is being delivered. Possibly a bit of a generational divide there too - it's a generalization, but people over a certain age always tend to think people under a certain age are a bit soft.I don't believe Bowyer is a bully or is out to deliberately upset or belittle anyone, but entirely possible that he's too blunt for some people and that his manner has upset some.2
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Bowyer ruined the season and our chances of promotion at Shrewsbury away. First his negative tactics cost us 3 points against a very poor team and secondly calling out Williams publicly on the tackle and subbing him shortly after bringing him on. I'm sure the way he was treated pissed a lot of the players off as well as costing us 2 more points. Then onto the next game Williams is on the bench against Wimbledon, comes on does the business scores 1 and sets up another only to be dropped again the following game against Swindon not even coming when we were crying out for an attacking midfielder to come on and help kill the game off costing us another 2 points. Ever since that period in the season the players have never looked the same again and who can blame. With the constant outbursts and calling out even more players since January it's no wonder they dont give a shit anymore.
You can even say Bowyers demise began even a few days before the Swindon game when he blamed the 2000 fans at the MK match for not being more vocal when the game was shit and we had nothing to shout about. Since the new year its just been a desperate situation where its obvious the players dont want to play for him, so his constantly make 5 changes a game, desperate subs and blaming anyone and everyone publicly but himself to save face. Bloke needs to go before he does anymore damage to the club.34 -
He was refreshingly honest about his mental health in that documentary, why speculate about him crying?Covered End said:If there's one player I could see crying it would be Williams. He looked like he was going to burst into tears in that Sunderland documentary. I can't recall if anyone else was in the room other than the interviewer.2
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